[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grab

2007-07-14 Thread Christian Heim
The following packages need some love and/or a new maintainer: Previously maintained by Thierry Carrez (Koon): - dev-embedded/gnap - dev-embedded/gnap-dev - dev-embedded/gnap-ext Previously maintainer by Eric Sammer (esammer): - net-nntp/udh Previously maintained by Chris White (ChrisWhite): -

Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread Will Briggs
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 19:51 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:44:03 -0400 >> "William L. Thomson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> To future devs and any new contributing users, they will see -dev as a >>> ml for developer interaction. They wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grab

2007-07-14 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Heim wrote: > The following packages need some love and/or a new maintainer: > - dev-lang/swig (lang-misc herd ?) will take this if no-one else wants it, Marijn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using

[gentoo-dev] Re: So long Gentoo...

2007-07-14 Thread Ali Polatel
Mike Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yazmış: > For many reasons, I'm choosing to take my leave from Gentoo at this > time. While this was in part brought on by the recent discussions about > the mailing lists, it's related to many other things as well. Mainly, I > don't have the motivation that I used to

[gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grab

2007-07-14 Thread Markus Ullmann
Christian Heim schrieb: > - net-analyzer/mwcollect (net-mon herd ?) Herd-absorbage ;) -Jokey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-14 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 07:01:52PM +0200, Wernfried Haas wrote: > Until now I haven't had time to actually think about accepting it, but > i hope everything around me calms down a bit in the next days. I hereby accept the nomination. I may write up a longer manifest some time, but fwiw i will try

[gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread Ryan Hill
Christina Fullam wrote: > I think everyone is overlooking the part included previously: > "An additional method discussed was to have all non-dev emails on a > timeout, pick a number of hours, and then the email if not moderated > would be released. (non-dev sends his email, time period expires and

[gentoo-dev] Re: Smoother moderation scheme?

2007-07-14 Thread Ryan Hill
Alin Năstac wrote: > Do you have a solution to filter flamefests out of a ml? If you do, > please share it with the list. Please give one example of a mailing list plagued by flamefests that successfully solved their problems by adopting moderation without completely alienating their communities.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 10:16 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: > > so all > you've done is made posts from non-dev accounts time delayed. Why? Time delayed -dev doesn't make sense for anyone. IMHO this makes sense. -core Internal Private List, Public R/O after period of time -devInter

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread Josh Saddler
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > -core Internal Private List, Public R/O after period of time > -core Internal Private List, Public R/O after period of time No. -core should not ever be public. It's not for development anyway. -core contains things like personal issues the developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 20:20 +1000, Will Briggs wrote: > > But -dev is where the substantial discussion takes place. -dev would > still be the "inside loop." And a community based project simply should > not exclude/reduce (even simply in perception) the community's > involvement in that loop. We

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 17:45 +0200, Wernfried Haas wrote: > The recent development of council meetings and their > summaries not being posted (or at least very late) to the list makes me > think that there is some alienation between council and developers, > which i hope i can change. While any eff

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 10:25 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: > William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > -core Internal Private List, Public R/O after period of time > > -core Internal Private List, Public R/O after period of time > > No. -core should not ever be public. It's not for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Smoother moderation scheme?

2007-07-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 10:24 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: > Alin Năstac wrote: > > > Do you have a solution to filter flamefests out of a ml? If you do, > > please share it with the list. > > Please give one example of a mailing list plagued by flamefests that > successfully solved their problems by ad

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-14 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Sat, Jul 14, 2007 at 01:29:35PM -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > I don't thing they are intentionally alienating, or delaying in > summaries. Most likely not, but still something i'd like to change. ;-) cheers, Wernfried -- Wernfried Haas (amne) - amne (at) gentoo.org Gentoo Fo

GWN (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08)

2007-07-14 Thread Lars Weiler
* William L. Thomson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [07/07/14 13:29 -0400]: > Anyone notice no more GWNs? Well, I noticed it. And I read the news from June 14 on http://www.gentoo.org/ Unfortunately, all our GWN-Editors stop working on it after some months. It's a really time-consuming job. Think abo

[gentoo-dev] New developer: Pierre-Yves Rofes (p-y)

2007-07-14 Thread Petteri Räty
It's a joint pleasure for me and diox to introduce to you Pierre-Yves "py" Rofes. Instead of the snake people he will be joining our security team. Py originates from Paris, France, and has just finished his studies in computer science. He'll be hired soon (or maybe already was?) as a security net

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Pierre-Yves Rofes (p-y)

2007-07-14 Thread Santiago M. Mola
On 7/14/07, Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's a joint pleasure for me and diox to introduce to you Pierre-Yves "py" Rofes. Instead of the snake people he will be joining our security team. Please give him the usual flamy welcome. PyWelcome! -- Santiago M. Mola Jabber ID: [EMAIL P

Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread Ferris McCormick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:13:53 -0400 Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So I should cut it, but I'm leaving it so you see what I'm responding to. Seemant, thanks. > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:33 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > > *sigh* > > I

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Pierre-Yves Rofes (p-y)

2007-07-14 Thread Rémi Cardona
Petteri Räty wrote: > Py originates from Paris, France, The French conspiracy is growing again :) Bienvenue à toi :) Rémi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Smoother moderation scheme?

2007-07-14 Thread Steve Long
William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 10:24 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: >> Alin N?stac wrote: >> >> > Do you have a solution to filter flamefests out of a ml? If you do, >> > please share it with the list. >> >> Please give one example of a mailing list plagued by flamefests that >>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:16:36 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christina Fullam wrote: > > I think everyone is overlooking the part included previously: > > "An additional method discussed was to have all non-dev emails on a > > timeout, pick a number of hours, and then the email if not

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] qmail.eclass draft

2007-07-14 Thread Michael Hanselmann
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 05:37:16PM +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: > We are all required to subscribe to this mailing list... Should be easy > enough to spot the thread. You know, sometimes I get tired of all the flames and pointless discussions and mark all mails as read. If something should be read b

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] qmail.eclass draft

2007-07-14 Thread Michael Hanselmann
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 07:05:51PM +0200, Benedikt Boehm wrote: > Actually i am qmail maintainer and also been in the qmail herd for > quite some time... No, actually you're in the qmail herd and maintainer of the net-mail/qmail-ldap package. This doesn't make you a netqmail (the package I care ab

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] qmail.eclass draft

2007-07-14 Thread Michael Hanselmann
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 03:04:27PM +0200, Benedikt Boehm wrote: > qmail-ldap will not be removed for sure, since i maintain it currently. Okay, my status there was outdated. We were at least discussing it at some point in history. > > And as the netqmail ebuild maintainer, I want the ebuild to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread Christina Fullam
Christina Fullam wrote: > I think everyone is overlooking the part included previously: > (non-dev sends his email, time period expires and > no one booted it, so the email rolls through)" Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Then what, exactly, is the damned point? The problem this is >>suppos

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Smoother moderation scheme?

2007-07-14 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 21:48 +0100, Steve Long wrote: > > > > You already have two lists. Your argument that core is for more private > stuff, but not developer communication seems odd. Well we need two development type of lists. The first question we ask any new devs on our quizzes is When is it

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] qmail.eclass draft

2007-07-14 Thread Michael Hanselmann
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 11:22:47AM -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > > It seems like you aren't interested in communication with the > > > maintainer, otherwise you would've CC'ed me. > > Erm? This was completely uncalled for, I'd say?! To Jakub: It was. Sending such things to a public lis

[gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread Ryan Hill
Christina Fullam wrote: > I suppose the problem is high-volume and excessive flaming/trolling/OT. > The proposed solution asks that every developer take an active role, > yes, so that could easily equal more work - but I have little doubts > that there are developers that will take an interest in

[gentoo-dev] Re: New developer: Pierre-Yves Rofes (p-y)

2007-07-14 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > handball Yay! Handball for the win! V-Li -- http://www.gentoo.org/ http://www.faulhammer.org/ http://www.gnupg.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] council and proctors

2007-07-14 Thread Ferris McCormick
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here's one I should sleep on -- I didn't: Not much. Very few Comments. I'll start them. 1. Council is just wrong. They are also just gone. 2. I am just wrong. Most likely. 3. Council blew it. They ignore what proctors were doing, ki

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] qmail.eclass draft

2007-07-14 Thread Benedikt Boehm
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:02:00 +0200 Michael Hanselmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 03:04:27PM +0200, Benedikt Boehm wrote: > > qmail-ldap will not be removed for sure, since i maintain it > > currently. > > Okay, my status there was outdated. We were at least discussing it

Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread Dawid Węgliński
Dnia 14-07-2007, sob o godzinie 14:03 -0700, Christina Fullam napisał(a): [ .. ] > -core stays private. I really dont see the need to change IMO. > -project (call it what you will) would be for the off topic, non > development emails that we so commonly see. this list would be optional > for all de

Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

2007-07-14 Thread Daniel Drake
Mike Doty wrote: All- We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to where only devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post. devs who moderate in bad posts will be subject to moderation themselves. in addition the gentoo-project list will be created to take o