[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is your goal? Is there something you're trying to accomplish that's impossible? It's clear that changing this would be a fair amount of work, and I don't understand the benefits. With the current size of system packages set, having a complete

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Pierre-Yves Rofes
On Tue, January 8, 2008 1:29 pm, Denis Dupeyron wrote: It's my pleasure to introduce Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor) as a new Gentoo developer. He will start by working in the Java team, and I hear there are plans for a new eclass soonish. Jean-Noël currently lives in Paris, France, but he

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-Noël Rivas seau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Joe Peterson
Denis Dupeyron wrote: Jean-Noël currently lives in Paris, France, but he studied in Vancouver, Canada for some time. He is 26 and happily married. Apart from computers, he has a passion for games (video, role-playing and boardgames), music (progressive metal rock), and outdoors (especially

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-No??l Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Jean-Noël Rivasseau
Hi, Don't worry, I may very well return to Vancouver some day as I really love the place. Actually, I am thinking of returning there on Autumn 2008 for at least 6 monthes. I wonder if I can be part of two conspiracies at once?! Jean-Noël On 1/8/08, Robin H. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-No??l Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 01:29:43PM +0100, Denis Dupeyron wrote: Jean-No??l currently lives in Paris, France, but he studied in Vancouver, Canada for some time. Why'd you leave Vancouver? We need to get a Vancouver conspiracy going again, there hasn't been one since mr_bones_ ran away! (hey, 4

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Rémi Cardona
Pierre-Yves Rofes a écrit : On Tue, January 8, 2008 1:29 pm, Denis Dupeyron wrote: So please give a warm welcome to Jean-Noël as a new Gentoo developer. Yay for the french conspiracy growing yet again :) We'll have to have another conspiracy beer-meeting then ;) Welcome to you Jean-Noël!

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Jérémie Klein
As a gentoo user (developpers will do, i am sure), i wish you a good arrival ! 2008/1/8, Rémi Cardona [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Pierre-Yves Rofes a écrit : On Tue, January 8, 2008 1:29 pm, Denis Dupeyron wrote: So please give a warm welcome to Jean-Noël as a new Gentoo developer. Yay for the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Petteri Räty
Stefan Hellermann kirjoitti: I've tried to not use the system-set and set up a virtual called virtual/minimal-system which depends on all the packages I need (no gcc or perl, only coreutils, glibc, baselayout and some packages that are really needed for booting up). This is what I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 01:37:28PM +0100, Diego 'Flameeyes' Petten?? wrote: Santiago M. Mola [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having a complete deptree and having a small system package set should be independent goals, maybe your proposal should focus on making possible to have a deptree as

[gentoo-dev] Item for 10 Jan 2008 Council meeting

2008-01-08 Thread Ferris McCormick
As always, I'd like a status report on Code of Conduct, with three questions in mind: 1) Do we have an implementation schedule? ; 2) Have we identified some warm bodies for it?; 3) Most devrel requests seem really to relate to CoC violations. Would you like us to bounce those to the CoC

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't suppose you have a url for their reasoning? https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151758 -- Diego Flameeyes Pettenò http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/ -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and subproject status

2008-01-08 Thread Fabian Groffen
On 07-01-2008 22:31:54 +0100, Luca Barbato wrote: Here is a list of interesting questions: Are we fine? What are we going to do? Please project leaders try to reply in short. Gentoo/Alt:Prefix Are we fine? Sure. - reached 10% coverage/replication of the gentoo-x86 tree - convinced two

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 04:32 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:20:18 -0800 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No offense to anyone, but holding back hundreds of developers and thousands of users for a handful of developers ...and how exactly are hundreds of

RE: [gentoo-dev] Item for 10 Jan 2008 Council meeting

2008-01-08 Thread Chrissy Fullam
Ferris McCormick wrote: As always, I'd like a status report on Code of Conduct, with three questions in mind: 1) Do we have an implementation schedule? It is already being enforced by a variety of teams as they find it applicable. 2) Have we identified some warm bodies for it? Good

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 23:34 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Ok, so explain: * How perpetually open bugs are a maintenance burden. They don't generate emails and they don't require any work on the maintainer's part. Is the mere fact that they show up in queries all you're concerned about, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 23:35 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:09:24 +0100 Matthias Langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This kind of conversation is not technical at all... Ciaranm, are you a MIPS user? If so, do you think that running KEYWORDS=mips is less likely to result

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 11:36 -0600, Ryan Hill wrote: that has both sides happy here, but that won't happen if you don't admit there's a problem. He doesn't have to admit anything. He is neither an ebuild maintainer nor an arch team developer. Basically, his opinion is useless in this case, as

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 00:30 -0800, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 00:42 Tue 08 Jan , Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: Anyway, as having a complete dependency tree is almost impossible because of that, I have an alternative proposal: reducing the size of the system package set. Right now

Re: [gentoo-dev] Item for 10 Jan 2008 Council meeting

2008-01-08 Thread Wulf C. Krueger
On Tuesday, 08. January 2008 22:44:17 Chrissy Fullam wrote: 'bodies' would be needed to enforce CoC on #gentoo-dev I don't really see any need for moderation on #gentoo-dev. We've managed quite nicely without big brothers watching us so far and I think we should simply keep doing that. Yes,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Item for 10 Jan 2008 Council meeting

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 19:59 +, Ferris McCormick wrote: 3) Most devrel requests seem really to relate to CoC violations. Would you like us to bounce those to the CoC people, process them using CoC rules, or keep doing what we are doing now (generally, close them with a note explaining why

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 21:49 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: Stefan Hellermann kirjoitti: I've tried to not use the system-set and set up a virtual called virtual/minimal-system which depends on all the packages I need (no gcc or perl, only coreutils, glibc, baselayout and some packages that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Reducing the size of the system package set

2008-01-08 Thread Petteri Räty
Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 21:49 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: Stefan Hellermann kirjoitti: I've tried to not use the system-set and set up a virtual called virtual/minimal-system which depends on all the packages I need (no gcc or perl, only coreutils, glibc, baselayout

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Houston we have a problem

2008-01-08 Thread Doug Klima
Alec Warner wrote: On 1/8/08, William L. Thomson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To keep it short and sweet. Our current structure is FUBARed. Foundation? Trustees? Election? Nominees? Ball dropped, shall we pick it up and resume a game? Gentoo does not exist legally. NPO filings in New

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Jean-Noël Rivasseau (elvanor)

2008-01-08 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Wooo ! Mail subject screwing (yes i18n conspiracy is always just behind :D) A bit late but you know, work and stuff... Welcome ! -- Gilles Dartiguelongue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:04:49 -0800 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have foo 1.0, which is mips. There is foo 2.0, which is stable everywhere else. The foo 1.0 ebuild does not conform to current ebuild standards. I want to commit changes to foo 2.0, and repoman won't allow me due

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:38:07 -0800 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 02:17 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Oh. Yeah. Because people with an attitude like yours think that the correct way to fix a repoman message is to start nuking arch keywords, ignoring what it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:44:22 -0800 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh... So where do the original problems come from? Are you saying that packages mysteriously start breaking on their own because no-one's maintaining them? Of course they do Ah, right. Because of the magical elf that

[gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Ryan Hill
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh... So where do the original problems come from? Are you saying that packages mysteriously start breaking on their own because no-one's maintaining them? Of course they do Ah, right. Because of the magical elf that lives in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 02:47 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:44:22 -0800 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh... So where do the original problems come from? Are you saying that packages mysteriously start breaking on their own because no-one's maintaining them?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Matthias Langer
On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 02:47 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:44:22 -0800 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh... So where do the original problems come from? Are you saying that packages mysteriously start breaking on their own because no-one's maintaining them?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-08 Thread Alec Warner
On 1/8/08, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:38:07 -0800 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 02:17 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Oh. Yeah. Because people with an attitude like yours think that the correct way to fix a repoman