Re: [gentoo-dev] introduce a soft-limit policy for changing other developers ebuilds

2012-12-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 December 2012 03:30, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On Dec 2, 2012 6:09 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 10:21 AM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Only question is now what is a sane soft limit, before you go on and fix stuff.

Re: [gentoo-dev] introduce a soft-limit policy for changing other developers ebuilds

2012-12-06 Thread Ben de Groot
On 4 December 2012 17:19, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On 4 December 2012 01:18, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: In my opinion we should limit the amount of places where we document policies and best practices. I suggest we keep only devmanual and PMS as authoritative

Re: Proxy maintainers in metadata.xml (was Re: [gentoo-dev] introduce a soft-limit policy for changing other developers ebuilds)

2012-12-06 Thread Ben de Groot
On 5 December 2012 02:51, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On 4 December 2012 17:28, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: On 12/04/2012 12:06 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: Or maybe we can just agree that common sense rules all, and we always set the proxied

Re: [gentoo-dev] Defaulting for debug information in profiles

2012-12-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 December 2012 18:26, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/17 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu: On 17/12/2012 11:11, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite few of us are using it) how about making it to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 December 2012 18:27, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/17 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu: On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for /var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never

Re: [gentoo-dev] Defaulting for debug information in profiles

2012-12-23 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 December 2012 18:55, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/12/17 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org: Please don't. For most users this is a waste of resources. On first look it seems like waste of resources. On second hand it makes stuff easy wrt bugreports provided by users

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-29 Thread Ben de Groot
On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some Inbound repository until we're full git, which people can fork/commit/pull and trusted people can review submitted branches and apply them to CVS? This is why I started

Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...)

2012-12-31 Thread Ben de Groot
On 30 December 2012 00:13, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-29 at 16:42 +0800, Ben de Groot wrote: On 27 December 2012 00:39, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote: Can we short cut the whole quiz process and have some Inbound repository until we're full git, which

[gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

2012-12-31 Thread Ben de Groot
Happy New Year to all of you! Looking back at 2012, I wonder what we consider our achievements for this past year. What is the state of Gentoo? How have we brought it forward and improved it this past year? And what do we want to see in the coming year? How can we make Gentoo more awesome in

Re: [gentoo-dev] What did we achieve in 2012? What are our resolutions for 2013?

2013-01-06 Thread Ben de Groot
On 5 January 2013 07:28, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: Coming to my mind: There have been continued regular releases of genkernel integrating patches from various people: http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/genkernel.git;a=tags And there has been a constant stream of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Should portage tree CVS impose a commit moratorium during snapshot creation?

2013-01-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 9 January 2013 20:23, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 09/01/2013 13:20, Duncan wrote: Are the git migration blockers at such a point that we can get an ETA yet? PLEASE ALL STOP DETOURING EVERY DAMN TOPIC OUT THERE WITH THE GIT MIGRATION, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. And yes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Should portage tree CVS impose a commit moratorium during snapshot creation?

2013-01-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 9 January 2013 23:16, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Diego Elio Pettenò posted on Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:23:13 +0100 as excerpted: On 09/01/2013 13:20, Duncan wrote: Are the git migration blockers at such a point that we can get an ETA yet? PLEASE ALL STOP DETOURING EVERY DAMN TOPIC OUT

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 16 January 2013 22:16, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote: We have a base profile, we have a desktop profile... wouldn't that make the base the minimal profile that would likely be fit for a server? If not, we really should move that way. Having a base, desktop, and server

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild

2013-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
Ideally we would have had a discussion here, and we could still have one. On the other hand I have used libav and mplayer2 for a long time, and have not run into any problems. The only thing missing is mencoder. I'm not opposing this change, but I also don't know enough of the details of

[gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
Hi guys, Presently we already have a good number of split qt-* library packages in x11-libs. With the arrival of Qt5 upstream has gone a lot further in modularization, so we expect the number of packages to grow much more. We, the Gentoo Qt team, are of the opinion that the time has come to split

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 January 2013 22:05, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 17/01/2013 14:57, Ben de Groot wrote: After some initial bikeshedding we came to the conclusion that naming the category simply qt is the most elegant solution. We will then also be dropping the qt- prefix in package

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-17 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 January 2013 22:09, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Ben de Groot schrieb: This category is to be used for the various modules and applications that belong to the upstream Qt Framework only (these include e.g. assistant and linguist). Third-party applications

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 January 2013 04:49, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: During the server profile discussion, it became clear that we could clean up the base profiles a bit. This is unrelated to the profile versions, as the change would affect all versions (well, at least without bigger

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 January 2013 08:01, Christopher Head ch...@chead.ca wrote: I understand that enabling flags only affects packages if they’re installed. I’m just saying that, in my opinion, sane-but-minimal should have CUPS disabled because there are plenty of computers that would want LibreOffice and/or

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 January 2013 18:26, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: People who do have printers can always enable it themselves. I don't see any reason for cups to be enabled by default, especially not on a minimal profile

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 January 2013 22:45, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: How many packages are we talking about? Especially if you don't want qwt to join there, I assume we're way below 50? If so I would vote nay to any new category at all, to be honest. Roughly 40 is the current estimate.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-19 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 January 2013 21:46, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: Maybe lib-qt ? dev-qt sounds confusing to me too, what's dev about it? These are libraries and applications that are used by developers of end-user applications. If there is too much opposition to a simple qt category (at least

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 19 January 2013 23:38, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote: We have a fixed number of exact 2 tags (foo and bar), This limitation has proven it's usability in the past of Gentoo, but there are reasons to break it up (Like making up funny points like regex and it has always been this way).

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 00:48, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: * In general, yes, I'm in favor of a dedicated qt-* category, but... Good :-) *** (VERY strongly!) Please avoid namespace pollution! Don't drop the hyphenated qt-pkg names. As a user, most of the time I DO only refer to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 05:03, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: 130119 Ben de Groot wrote: On 19 January 2013 21:46, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: Maybe lib-qt ? dev-qt sounds confusing to me too, what's dev about it? These are libraries and applications that are used

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 06:59, Francesco Riosa viv...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/1/19 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org Just a completely different idea -- how about putting those libraries into different categories appropriate to the topic? We have a bunch of categories like dev-libs, media-libs, etc. --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 15:59, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: Just a user with a suggestion here. Since portage already has kde-base and kde-misc, why not qt-base and qt-misc (and qt-something is the need arises.) Qt5 will have standard core modules and extensions. qt-base and qt-misc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 17:09, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/01/13 10:39, Ben de Groot wrote: There is no need for multiple qt categories. We want everything that the upstream Qt Project considers to be part of the Qt Framework to be in one category. Besides that there are only

Re: [gentoo-dev] About dropping comm-fax herd

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 17:10, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Only one package is inside it: net-misc/capi4hylafax It should probably be moved to kingtaco (if he is still interested... are you?) or maintainer-needed until any other steps up as maintainer. What do you think about removing

Re: [gentoo-dev] About completely dropping lcd herd

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 17:21, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Looks like it's still listed in herds.xml even being empty and with no packages inside it. Probably it's time to safely remove it completely. OK with that? Best regards Yes please -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: new qt category

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 21:35, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Same here. I have had to re-emerge qt packages several times myself. It seems that when I do, I have to do them all one at a time too. In which case you're better off with something like: emerge -a1 `eix --only-names -IC qt` --

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 20 January 2013 23:22, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Andreas K. Huettel schrieb: * move setting USE=dri from default/linux/make.defaults to targets/desktop/make.defaults I must say that I am unhappy about this. The packages in question should not be built with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 January 2013 10:42, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: So that's what I (and others, but less explicitly) propose, leaving USE=dri where it is in the old and soon-to-be-deprecated 10.x profiles so nobody gets broken, while in the new 13.0 profiles, USE=dri is moved from base to desktop.

Re: How a proper server profile should look like (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...)

2013-01-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 January 2013 12:16, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote: I don't build server machines every day, others do and it would be much appreciated if they could respond here. I build catalyst stage4s. Any default profiles are kindof pointless for me; I have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 January 2013 03:28, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Dustin C. Hatch admiraln...@gmail.com wrote: The package defaults have gotten out of hand, in my opinion. I use default/linux/amd64/10.0 on all my machines and my /etc/portage/package.use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How a proper server profile should look like

2013-01-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 January 2013 10:36, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: I think we may have to admit that one size does not fit all. There are just too many individual scenarios. A truly minimal build should be sufficient to boot to a text console, and have networking and portage to be able to

Re: readme.gentoo.eclass: use echo -e instead of plain echo (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] readme.gentoo.eclass: Add a DISABLE_AUTOFORMATTING variable=

2013-01-27 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 January 2013 12:37, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sunday 27 January 2013 13:21:27 Pacho Ramos wrote: The problem is that it doesn't work so well. If I have the following at src_prepare (for example): src_prepare() { DOC_CONTENTS=You must create a symlink rom

Re: readme.gentoo.eclass: use echo -e instead of plain echo (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] readme.gentoo.eclass: Add a DISABLE_AUTOFORMATTING variable=

2013-01-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 29 January 2013 03:30, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El lun, 28-01-2013 a las 14:37 +0800, Ben de Groot escribió: I've started using this eclass, but with README files, not the variable, because this is currently the only way I can make sure it honours my formatting. Couldn't

Re: readme.gentoo.eclass: use echo -e instead of plain echo (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] readme.gentoo.eclass: Add a DISABLE_AUTOFORMATTING variable=

2013-01-30 Thread Ben de Groot
On 30 January 2013 05:47, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El mar, 29-01-2013 a las 14:03 +0800, Ben de Groot escribió: On 29 January 2013 03:30, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El lun, 28-01-2013 a las 14:37 +0800, Ben de Groot escribió: I've started using this eclass

Re: readme.gentoo.eclass: use echo -e instead of plain echo (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] readme.gentoo.eclass: Add a DISABLE_AUTOFORMATTING variable=

2013-02-01 Thread Ben de Groot
On 1 February 2013 02:59, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El dom, 27-01-2013 a las 18:47 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió: El dom, 27-01-2013 a las 15:00 +0100, Pacho Ramos escribió: Currently, when people uses DOC_CONTENTS variable to place their desired messages, they are automatically

Re: [gentoo-dev] New eclass: cmake-multilib for cmake multilib package builds

2013-02-07 Thread Ben de Groot
On 6 February 2013 04:19, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: The idea is the same as in autotools-multilib. The eclass is a straightfoward wrapper for cmake-utils which inherits multilib-build and runs cmake phase functions for all ABIs (using out-of-source build). The eclass uses the

Re: [gentoo-dev] New eclass: cmake-multilib for cmake multilib package builds

2013-02-07 Thread Ben de Groot
On 7 February 2013 16:36, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 6 February 2013 04:19, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: The idea is the same as in autotools-multilib. The eclass is a straightfoward wrapper for cmake-utils which inherits multilib-build and runs cmake phase functions

Re: [gentoo-dev] Rename Creative Commons license files?

2013-02-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 8 February 2013 00:31, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: I always wondered why we are using such bulky names like CCPL-Attribution-ShareAlike-2.5 for the Creative Commons licenses, instead of CC-BY-SA-2.5 like

Re: [gentoo-dev] New, shiny EAPI=5 profiles: volunteer, procedure, preparations

2013-02-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 February 2013 10:43, Douglas Freed dwfr...@mtu.edu wrote: * all 13.0 profiles have been created and are marked stable the same way as 10.0 was * all 10.0 profiles have been removed from profiles.desc * all 10.0 profiles have been deprecated Suggestion: perhaps a news item should be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrites: media-gfx/picasa, dev-python/papyon, net-voip/telepathy-butterfly, sci-visualization/paraview, x11-misc/xdaf

2013-02-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 February 2013 20:11, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Otherwise, purpose-driven overlays just make sense - they allow a different set of contributors who are more familiar/interested in a set of packages to maintain them. It makes more sense to let those people be proxy-maintainers

Re: News item (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] New, shiny EAPI=5 profiles: volunteer, procedure, preparations)

2013-02-10 Thread Ben de Groot
On 10 February 2013 23:02, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013, 15:15:43 schrieb Markos Chandras: I suspect most people are interested in understanding what changed (since deprecation means that the new thing is better than the old one). Moreover, the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] please sign your manifests

2013-02-13 Thread Ben de Groot
On 13 February 2013 15:07, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote: On 02/13/2013 12:28 AM, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:12:35AM +0100, Michael Weber wrote: On 02/12/2013 10:14 PM, William Hubbs wrote: If you have any questions on this, please feel free to let us know. What

Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-13 Thread Ben de Groot
On 14 February 2013 08:08, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 14.02.2013 00:07, schrieb Brian Dolbec: Easy, just copy the ebuild and any patches in the files subdir to a local overlay. Which brings us back to the old discussion on what good it does for one person to do the

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Ben de Groot
On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote: Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended primarily for this purpose. Is it still alive? (haven't heard it mentioned in a while and layman seems to list onyl sunrise) You probably mean kde-sunset, which

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 February 2013 22:34, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: (But I would still argue that spotting overlay usage is not always as simple; at least in one case I got somebody who was trying to hide their use of proaudio.) Users editing the output of emerge --info and hiding they

[gentoo-dev] The Gentoo Qt Project wants your help!

2013-03-01 Thread Ben de Groot
The Gentoo Qt Project wants your help! == The Gentoo Qt Project is a small team responsible for maintaining the Qt libraries and associated applications within our beloved distro. Over time the number of packages we maintain has grown. Not only is there quite

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Gentoo Qt Project wants your help!

2013-03-02 Thread Ben de Groot
On 2 March 2013 22:35, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: I first thought it was a binary, but now that I see it is actually compiled from source in the avidemux build process, we have control over it. Therefore, I'll step up to be the primary maintainer. Do you want me to keep the Qt herd

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Gentoo Qt Project wants your help!

2013-03-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 2 March 2013 15:57, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 02/03/2013 07:54, Ben de Groot wrote: 1. Get Qt5 ready for inclusion in the tree. This includes writing and improving ebuilds and eclasses, testing to build those, filing bug reports on failure, finding fixes for those

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Gentoo Qt Project wants your help!

2013-03-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 2 March 2013 20:26, Jauhien Piatlicki jpiatli...@gmail.com wrote: 02.03.13 07:54, Ben de Groot написав(ла): app-admin/keepassx app-text/goldendict If these two packages need a maintainer, I could proxy-maintain them. I'm not a developer, but I have some experience with ebuild writing

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Gentoo Qt Project wants your help!

2013-03-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 2 March 2013 20:33, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 02/03/13 08:54, Ben de Groot wrote: The Gentoo Qt Project wants your help! sci-calculators/qalculator This project died after the first betas. I propose treecleaning it. We have plenty of more maintained calculators

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New category for LeechCraft

2013-03-06 Thread Ben de Groot
On 6 March 2013 15:07, Maxim Koltsov maksbo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, Currently there are 61 leechcraft packages in tree scattered across several categories. We propose to move them to one new category to make maintaining easy as well as rsync --exclude'ing. So, two questions: 1) Do you agree

Re: [gentoo-dev] New install isos needed

2013-03-23 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 March 2013 09:17, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Andreas K. Huettel wrote: Am Samstag, 23. März 2013, 21:40:16 schrieb Markos Chandras: Why not officially recommend SystemRescueCD instead? Looks really bad to recommend another installation media (even if it is based on Gentoo) to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: media-tv/tvtime

2013-03-23 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 March 2013 09:19, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/03/13 02:12, Markos Chandras wrote: On 24 March 2013 00:02, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK, tvtime has no alternatives at all. If it goes, analog TV users can't watch TV anymore :-/ Nothing I can do.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-25 Thread Ben de Groot
On 24 March 2013 22:48, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/24/2013 12:40 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't mind adding that link to every package mask. Do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Expanding categories' descriptions

2013-04-04 Thread Ben de Groot
On 2 April 2013 19:01, Sergey Popov pinkb...@gentoo.org wrote: 01.04.2013 11:52, Michael Palimaka пишет: On 1/04/2013 04:29, Denis M. wrote: I think it's a good idea to expand the categories' descriptions (found in the corresponding metadata.xml files) with more accurate descriptions of

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpng 1.6 upgrade and subslotting (and misuse of subslotting when there is also normal slotting)

2013-04-05 Thread Ben de Groot
On 6 Apr, 2013 4:46 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: libpng 1.6 is in portage, but temporarily without KEYWORDS, pending on testign and this conversion, help would be much appericiated with converting the tree to use automatic rebuilds for the upgrade Because there is

Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: emul-linux-x86-xlibs deps being replaced in gx86

2013-04-22 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 April 2013 21:51, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:21:55 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: It should come as no surprise that I am not happy with this. While I applaud your efforts to attempt to improve the multilib situation, I don't think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages using -Werror

2013-05-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 May 2013 12:09, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: Most of the bugs filed on the gcc 4.8 tracker so far have been caused by packages being built with -Werror. I just noticed one package where the Makefile was being patched to remove -g from CXXFLAGS but -Werror on the same line was

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages using -Werror

2013-05-03 Thread Ben de Groot
On 3 May 2013 16:36, Kacper Kowalik xarthis...@gentoo.org wrote: On 03.05.2013 10:06, Ben de Groot wrote: On 3 May 2013 12:09, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: Most of the bugs filed on the gcc 4.8 tracker so far have been caused by packages being built with -Werror. I just noticed one

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 1 May 2013 18:04, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making systemd more accessible, while there are problems with submitting bugs about new systemd units of the sort that maintainers just_dont_answer(tm). In this case, I am just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 8 May 2013 23:39, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 1 May 2013 18:04, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making systemd more accessible, while

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 8 May 2013 23:49, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Ben de Groot schrieb: On 1 May 2013 18:04, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making

Re: [gentoo-dev] devmanual moved to github

2013-05-12 Thread Ben de Groot
On 12 May 2013 21:27, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Rich Freeman wrote: The devmanual git repository[1] moved to github[2]. The only thing that isn't FOSS is github itself. Not sure if others feel strongly about it. I feel strongly against github. Making something like github the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-15 Thread Ben de Groot
On 15 May 2013 21:41, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained state? openrc-settingsd was the

[gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

2013-05-25 Thread Ben de Groot
I'm taking this from https://bugs.gentoo.org/412697 to the dev mailing list, since this discussion doesn't really belong on bugzilla. Some background copied from the bug report: (In reply to comment #21) (In reply to comment #19) (In reply to comment #17) (In reply to comment #15) (In

Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

2013-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 26 May 2013 02:13, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/25/2013 05:14 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: But if a co-maintainer pushes through a change that I oppose, then working together becomes quite difficult. In this case I opted

Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

2013-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 26 May 2013 01:00, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: We can now have long discussions about upstream decisions, how to handle devrel problems... but I think it's much more easy: this kind of boycott attitudes should stop in favor of common sense. Common sense would be to recognize that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

2013-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 26 May 2013 00:48, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:14:36 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: Unless I am mistaken, we did NOT agree anywhere that Gentoo maintainers MUST add systemd support when upstream does not ship such files. We did agree

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reusing systemd unit file format / forking systemd (was: Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697))

2013-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 26 May 2013 15:37, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2013 00:14:36 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: Systemd is diametrically opposed to the FreeBSD, customization, extreme configurability, and top-notch developer community aspects of that. Systemd upstream

Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)

2013-05-26 Thread Ben de Groot
On 26 May 2013 18:04, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2013 15:23:44 +0800 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: Where is this policy documented? Nowhere, I think. I've seen it coming in the late

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proper distribution integration of kernel *-sources, patches and configuration.

2013-07-01 Thread Ben de Groot
On 1 July 2013 22:41, Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org wrote: ### TL; DR ### By introducing feature patches which menu options are disabled by default to genpatches, we can deduplicate *-sources maintainers as well as large groups of users work. By introducing a distribution section in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: font.eclass add Xorg FontPath elements for non-standard paths

2013-07-04 Thread Ben de Groot
On 5 July 2013 06:36, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: What you want is the font path element catalog and /etc/X11/fontpath.d (bug #185264) which I abandoned when I realized that no one actually uses fontpath anymore, that it caused the startup time to drastically increase with the

Re: [gentoo-dev] renaming gentoo-oldnet

2013-08-04 Thread Ben de Groot
On 4 August 2013 10:38, Brian Dolbec dol...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 2013-08-03 at 21:03 -0500, Doug Goldstein wrote: On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 04, 2013 at 01:49:46AM +0300, Alon Bar-Lev wrote: On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 1:38 AM,

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: Kernel Team vanilla-sources policy

2013-08-04 Thread Ben de Groot
On 4 August 2013 09:56, Alex Xu alex_y...@yahoo.ca wrote: Minor grammar/typographical errata: On 04/08/13 12:53 AM, Mike Pagano wrote: The Gentoo Kernel Team will no longer be providing stable vanilla-sources kernels. All currently stabilized vanilla-sources versions will be dropped to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-08 Thread Ben de Groot
On 7 August 2013 20:45, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote: Greetings, Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requires systemd. What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6, a version w/o this restriction, enabling all non systemd users to profit from this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

2013-08-09 Thread Ben de Groot
On 9 August 2013 21:57, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Dnia 2013-08-09, o godz. 13:45:25 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:39:08 +0800 Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/09/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 19:31:22

Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop experience on smartphone: thoughts and plans against Ubuntu edge

2013-08-13 Thread Ben de Groot
On 13 August 2013 13:21, heroxbd hero...@gentoo.org wrote: Dear Fellows, I would like to kick out a sub-project of Gentoo targeting smartphone and tablets. It would be nice to find out a solution based on Gentoo for desktop/smartphone hybrid *before* Canonical's release. I would be

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2/gtk3 use flags

2013-08-16 Thread Ben de Groot
On 17 August 2013 01:12, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, gtk is a global use flag [1], gtk2 and gtk3 are used in metadata.xml [2]. Is there a consensus how to use these flags if an app provides gtk2 and gtk3 gui in parallel or exclusive? Michael [1]

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2/gtk3 use flags

2013-08-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 August 2013 07:36, Gilles Dartiguelongue e...@gentoo.org wrote: Le mardi 20 août 2013 à 17:31 +0400, Sergey Popov a écrit : 16.08.2013 21:15, hasufell пишет: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420493 gtk2 and gtk3 useflags are discouraged and should only be used in special

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-20 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 August 2013 04:12, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: [snip] Ok, this one is ridiculous. The stable version of Rails is 2.3.18, and 3.0 was released almost exactly three years ago. Every time rails-3.x gets bumped, I have to manually update the entire list above. I need to do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 August 2013 19:04, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, It's time of year again to consider moving a few arches to dev-only status. I propose the following arches to lose their stable keywords - s390 - sh - ia64 - alpha - m68k - sparc ++ And consider adding ppc and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sets in the tree

2013-08-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 21 August 2013 23:03, Sergey Popov pinkb...@gentoo.org wrote: 15.08.2013 12:12, Pacho Ramos пишет: El mié, 14-08-2013 a las 15:17 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: Ah, looks like I was too optimistic and we are (again) with the usual blocking (and blocker) issues -_- (PMS refusing to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-21 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 August 2013 01:19, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Is there an alternative? afaik a profile can be either stable,dev or exp. I can't see how we can implement something between stable and dev. And what

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-22 Thread Ben de Groot
On 22 August 2013 18:01, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 22 August 2013 01:19, Matt Turner matts...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] git.eclass, git-2.eclass... git-r1.eclass?

2013-08-28 Thread Ben de Groot
On 28 August 2013 16:00, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello, all. I think I'm finally ready to put all the breaking awesomeness that was waiting for the git eclasses. However, I'm wondering what's the best way of proceeding with it. We've just lately finished the git-git-2 eclass

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: sys-kernel/tuxonice-sources up for grabs

2013-09-22 Thread Ben de Groot
On 23 September 2013 08:14, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/09/13 08:21 PM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: On 09/21/2013 08:44 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El sáb, 21-09-2013 a las 14:42 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: I don't have time

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: qt4.eclass

2009-03-14 Thread Ben de Groot
Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 15:31 Sat 14 Mar , Ben de Groot (yngwin) wrote: yngwin 09/03/14 15:31:28 Modified: qt4.eclass Log: Update qt4.eclass comet $ cvs diff -r1.50 -r1.51 qt4.eclass | diffstat qt4.eclass | 136

Re: [gentoo-dev] timezone and other moving rc variables.

2009-03-16 Thread Ben de Groot
, reading documentation is an acquired taste... ;-) -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (lxde, media, qt, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdrdao: ChangeLog cdrdao-1.2.2-r3.ebuild

2009-05-10 Thread Ben de Groot
Thilo Bangert wrote: Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org said: and what exactly are _you_ contributing? i was trying to point out, that somebody was rather unhelpful, and all you can come up with is being unhelpful? we can do better than that! I thought I was helpful in pointing out that certain

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-14 Thread Ben de Groot
on it. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-16 Thread Ben de Groot
and unintuitive. Except that we aren't talking about strange and unintuitive. All we are saying is basically documenting current usage: put a line with EAPI= near the top. That's very straighforward and intuitive. Plus, it works. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Can we stop wasting time and bandwidth? (was: The fallacies of GLEP55)

2009-05-16 Thread Ben de Groot
their time. But I disagree on the maintainer-wanted thread. It's not that important an issue. We have Sunrise already, so let's try to improve that. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Allow bash-4.0 features in EAPI=3 ebuilds

2009-05-17 Thread Ben de Groot
change? Because he wants to push GLEP 55. -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc) Gentoo Linux Release Engineering PR liaison __

Re: [gentoo-dev] Yet another proposal for ebuild extensions

2009-05-17 Thread Ben de Groot
formats, and it would probably be cleaner overall, while giving people the freedom to experiment with whatever wild ideas they have for packages. Ebuilds work well enough for us. I don't think there's a real need for other formats. Cheers, -- Ben de Groot Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Allow bash-4.0 features in EAPI=3 ebuilds

2009-05-17 Thread Ben de Groot
Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: 2009/5/17 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org: Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: 2009-05-17 18:37:32 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): On Sun, 17 May 2009 18:20:21 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfrever@gmail.com wrote: I would like to suggest

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