Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
elations appeals. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007/08

2007-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 21:10 +0200, Torsten Veller wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wolf31o2 While I thank you for the nomination for next year's Gentoo Council, I have decided that I no longer wish to be associated with the Gentoo Council or any other form of "management" or &

Re: [gentoo-dev] laying out arch profiles

2007-07-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
was planning on making a new profile tree. I wasn't planning on using it for 2007.1's official media, though, but rather just /experimental stuff, since I'd rather get much more testing on it before it goes "live" as the default. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering S

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New Profiles

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Gianelloni
tion, or its capabilities. For the best documentation, grab the tarball (or emerge catalyst) and look at the examples. Thanks, -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signa

Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Gianelloni
reply-to munging in this case is appropriate IMO. Correct. This actually *is* a good case for it, but, as you said, List-Post is probably still better, if it weren't for some very popular clients have abysmal list support. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to handle sensitive files when generating binary packages

2007-06-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
nd overridden on the command line) so I don't have to remember to put --iamsureidontcareaboutsecurity or whatever on the command line every time. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to handle sensitive files when generating binary packages

2007-06-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 23:35 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:31:32 -0700 > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 22:01 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > The specific underlying question being, what are the use case

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to handle sensitive files when generating binary packages

2007-06-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
GS/etc on multiple machines is an egregious waste of resources, especially in a corporate environment where maintenance windows simply aren't large enough to allow for a multiple-hour compile job to run. Plus, who keeps GCC on their production servers, anyway? ;] -- Chris Gianell

Re: [gentoo-dev] Determining ebuild stability and the 30 day suggestion (was: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree)

2007-06-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 05:32 +0300, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > Hey, > > On E, 2007-06-18 at 11:34 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Also, remember that stabilization is *supposed* to be about the > > stabilization of the *ebuild* and not the *package* itself. > > This

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
megalomaniacs can possibly even imply that we owe them recognition on every Linux system is beyond me. I'm just waiting for the annual "You should change your name to Gentoo GNU/Linux" email. ;] -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
e (which *is* against policy and I suspect the reason this discussion was started). -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
in from these kinds of "arguments" that have no technical bearing. Internet Explorer doesn't even *run* on Gentoo. If it did, it would likely be in the tree since quite a few people would likely use it, even if just for testing. I know that if I were able to test things on IE fro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
x27;s nothing we can do about the actual quality of the package. Having a working and usable package, in this case, is more important than some policy which is really designed for open source software. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams G

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-dns/bind{,-tools} needs an active maintainer

2007-06-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
> > What happened to mjolnir (as in Martin Jackson) ? Didn't he also join the > > bind > > herd, to help you fix stuff ? > > I'm still here...somewhat arch-limited and having a real life too. :) > The latest stabilization problems cropped up on arches I do

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Non-Dev Contributors and the Tree

2007-06-07 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ho, for whatever reason, are not > actually full scale developers. I'm just asking, but isn't this exactly what Sunrise is supposed to be? Isn't this the reason it was approved by the previous Council? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 01:08 +0100, George Prowse wrote: > from http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml Look at the Council logs from the CoC being approved and the ones since. We asked for real guidelines so we could specifically avoid this sort of problem from happening. -- Ch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ole personally, but I am not. I didn't mean it to be personal, and am not going to waste my time holding people's hands when their feelings get hurt because I expressed my opinion. Sorry, but it just isn't going to happen. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD6

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
e proctors blind support. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
barriers, cultural differences etc. it's > > difficult to judge. > The guideline, as far as I understood it, was (and is?) to ban people who > dont > abide by the time-outs. What guideline? Where is it? When was it approved by the Council, like we had said that proctors pol

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors - improve the concept or discard it?

2007-06-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
can't expect that to ever change. > I apologise for the long mail but I wanted to state clearly and without > too much emotions why I think we don't need the proctors and why we > should thank them for attempting to bring some order to the chaos and > give up on the concept

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning

2007-06-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
o morale and inter-developer trust. While the individual members might be doing what they think is best and trying their best, they've failed at the goals of improving our communications channels. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games

Re: Retiring (Was Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2)

2007-06-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
s, I no longer wish to be a part of Gentoo. > > While at this point there is very little chance of anyone convincing me to > return, I hope that the people who can still derive enjoyment from Gentoo > continue to do so. > > Infra, please remove my accounts at your earliest c

Re: [gentoo-dev] Living in a bubble [gentoo-proctor] Warning^2

2007-06-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
r the immediate disbanding of the Proctors. As much as I dislike many of the posts from geoman/ciaranm, they really had not done anything worthy of being banned. I ask that this ban is undone *immediately* and that the Proctors have their powers revoked. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineer

Re: [gentoo-dev] irregular metdata.xml check

2007-05-23 Thread Chris Gianelloni
y in the tree. I just used it as a simple example. The point is that in cases where the herd name doesn't equal the email address used for that herd, the maintainer tag should probably be filled in with the proper email address. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AM

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-fps/unreal-tournament-infiltration

2007-05-17 Thread Chris Gianelloni
# Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (17 May 2007) # Masked for removal, See bug #169546 for more information. Will be removed on # 17 Jun 2007. games-fps/unreal-tounrament-infiltration If you want to save this mod, rewrite the ebuild to use the zip version. Thanks, -- Chris Gian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: stabilizing expat 2.0.0

2007-05-17 Thread Chris Gianelloni
change > anything, just have stable keywords, and you mask that revision > specifically. Exactly. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: stabilizing expat 2.0.0

2007-05-17 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 20:33 +0200, Rémi Cardona wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > It's simple. You mask expat-2.0.0 on all the current profiles, we mark > > it stable in the snapshot and don't have it masked in the 2007.1 > > profile. When we release (actu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: stabilizing expat 2.0.0

2007-05-17 Thread Chris Gianelloni
using a <=2007.0 profile never see the upgrade. New users use the new expat. Users changing to the 2007.1 profile run revdep-rebuild. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: stabilizing expat 2.0.0

2007-05-17 Thread Chris Gianelloni
We're taking a couple months off. We deserve it. There's no way we're making an August release. If you would have checked http://releng.gentoo.org before asking, you wouldn't have needed to ask. *grin* -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages with same name was -> Conversion of Emacs virtual packages

2007-05-17 Thread Chris Gianelloni
gt; I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how you justify calling Java a > dead language. It's called baiting. He's purposefully calling Java dead in a conversation with someone from the Java team in an attempt to bring on an emotional response rather than technical. In case

Re: [gentoo-dev] Conversion of Emacs virtual packages

2007-05-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 19:52 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >>>>> On Wed, 16 May 2007, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > >> virtual/emacs > > > You made a new-style virtual with the same name as a package? This > > can cause problems with binary packa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: stabilizing expat 2.0.0

2007-05-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 20:08 +0200, Rémi Cardona wrote: > Duncan wrote: > > It's probably a bit late now (unless we want to wait yet another few > > months), but tying this to a profile upgrade might have been a more > > practical solution. 2007.0, or now 2007.1. Old profiles would stick > > wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Conversion of Emacs virtual packages

2007-05-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 15:25 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > > On Tue, 15 May 2007, Jakub Moc wrote: > > >> virtual/emacs > >> virtual/flim > > > Oh, and naming the new-style virtuals the same as the real thing > > kills binpkgs. :/ > > Sorry, I don't get your point here. > > The "real thing"

Re: [gentoo-dev] Conversion of Emacs virtual packages

2007-05-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2007-05-15 at 12:44 +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote: > The Emacs team has converted the following virtual packages: > >virtual/emacs You made a new-style virtual with the same name as a package? This can cause problems with binary package usage, as you will now end up with two packages w

Re: [gentoo-dev] zlib + build useflag

2007-05-14 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 15:50 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > I do not yet know how buildin an stage1 actually works No offense, but before you suggest a change, shouldn't you try to determine how and why things are done the way they are currently? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering S

Re: [gentoo-dev] trial software in portage?

2007-05-14 Thread Chris Gianelloni
cause upstream were being tools about it. We still have cedega in the tree. We also have *tons* of other commercial software in the tree. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suitable USE flag name for stuff that requires non volatile memory

2007-05-14 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ase media. You want a function called dhcpcd that runs with -I on the LiveCD? We can add that to root's .bashrc easily on the CD. It also wouldn't populate into the installed environment, since we don't copy root's .bashrc as our default is to not have one. -- Chris Gianello

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-05-04 at 20:43 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 04 May 2007 15:36:51 -0400 > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The point of policy is *not* to impede progress. It is supposed to be > > to provide our users the best quality distribution. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
. It is supposed to be to provide our users the best quality distribution. If policy gets in the way of progress without gain for our users, then the policy needs to be revisited. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Counci

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for May

2007-05-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ng ~arch for stable, since it is, well, more stable. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Artwork

2007-04-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ut a particular icon being used, it can be deferred to the trustees to determine. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Artwork

2007-04-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
> [1]. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/artwork/index.xml Please get with me some time over the next week as I'd like to discuss a few things. We've been doing some artwork wrt our releases and would *love* to have your project take over that work, which means I might have a r

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Artwork

2007-04-30 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ons for many, IMHO. Release Engineering has had labels for some time. It's just that nobody asks for them. Look on the store for examples of what they look like. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
running around acting like the Council is doing something wrong when they're doing their job. Honestly, all this has done is made me not want to make any decisions, which will turn us into the previous leadership, which I don't blame for the inaction from their group, as that was all th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [GLEP] RFC - Keywording scheme

2007-04-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 09:35 +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote: > Hereby I would like to request the counsel to discuss this mini-GLEP in > the first meeting for which this request is in time. You got this in just in time for the next Council meeting. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Str

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
y, nevermind. I digress. You're right. The Council screwed up. Feel free to give us all our 50 lashings and we'll be done with this crap. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foun

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-25 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ld like an answer > to my question, that is all. I've answered it to the best of my ability and it is hard to not get defensive when every decision your group makes is attacked on multiple fronts by people that put you in the position to make those exact same decisions. It really has m

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-24 Thread Chris Gianelloni
sing its power. Welcome to the story of the developers that cried "abuse"... -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANN] Multiple version suffixes illegal in gentoo-x86

2007-04-24 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ers of... nothing. Now, if only we can get all these pesky developers out of the way, we could rule the world! -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation (Ashamed to call myself a de

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [POLICY] Keywording/Stabilizing Bug Assignment Policy

2007-04-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ever would have even known that someone requested the package get keyword changes. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: File collisions

2007-04-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
e. Again, I ask everyone to quit being so confrontational and quit trying to prove other people wrong or otherwise try to be argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative. We really don't need such behavior in what is supposed to be a cooperative community. -- Chris Gianelloni Rel

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: Aggelos Orfanakos (agorf)

2007-04-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
; quite some time). Finally! Another minion^Wvolunteer joins the fold. Welcome to the team, Aggelos and continue your hard work. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Resignation

2007-04-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 11:36 +0100, Steve Long wrote: > And from the comments of others, *he gets the result*. So what? We are a community. We cannot allow poisonous attitudes to flourish in our community, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR CONTRIBUTION. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strate

Re: [gentoo-dev] Mark gtk2 as deprecated in use.desc

2007-04-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 09:50 +0200, Christian Faulhammer wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to add a comment to the gtk2 USE flag description in > use.desc stating that is deprecated. Any objections? Please do. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors Episode II - Attack of the clones

2007-04-19 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 21:53 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: > On 2007.04.18 12:49, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 10:30 +0200, Wernfried Haas wrote: > > > blackace, jmbsvicetto, marienz, pilla and mark_alec. > > > > Are they at least wearing differen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] [POLICY] Keywording/Stabilizing Bug Assignment Policy

2007-04-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
eate (and save) an advanced search that will > > filter them out, while still being able to check them in a different > > search. Might be also useful for arch teams to separate stabling and > > keywording bugs? > > I think that's a great idea. Who do we bug to get this in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proctors Episode II - Attack of the clones

2007-04-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 10:30 +0200, Wernfried Haas wrote: > blackace, jmbsvicetto, marienz, pilla and mark_alec. Are they at least wearing different color outfits so we can tell them apart? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Develo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Reply-To Munging [was Re: Re: baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)]

2007-04-18 Thread Chris Gianelloni
of the great things about Gentoo, our ability to teach people how to think differently and work differently. Of course, it isn't my call. ;] -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] [POLICY] Keywording/Stabilizing Bug Assignment Policy

2007-04-17 Thread Chris Gianelloni
say something along the lines of "last architecture to stable, please remove $ebuild when you're done" on the bugs in question. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [GLEP] RFC - Keywording scheme

2007-04-17 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 11:19 +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > On Tuesday 17 April 2007 01:10:20 Chris Gianelloni wrote: > [ ... ] > > > Yeah, ulimit won't do it. We hit this issue with mimedefang, actually. > > Our problem is that the kernel is doing the limiting.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [GLEP] RFC - Keywording scheme

2007-04-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 05:03 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:50:58AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 05:41 -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > > Anybody that feels like inspecting C code, look at mlmmj-1.2.14/src. > > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [GLEP] RFC - Keywording scheme

2007-04-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
pen? We have had a similar problem at my current employer. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-16 Thread Chris Gianelloni
t you guys switch off reply-to munging, already?! > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_120444.xml http://dev.gentoo.org/~wolf31o2/xml/reply-to.xml for those of you that care. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Me

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: 2007.0 release

2007-04-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
his since every single task has to be duplicated for every architecture. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: 2007.0 release

2007-04-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
o answer the floods of questions we *used* to get when we posted dates everywhere. The nature of the tree simply makes it impossible for us to accurately estimate a release date. This release we even went so far as to create a completely new snapshot due to there being so many changes necessary

Re: 2007.0 release (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc))

2007-04-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 20:23 +0200, Thilo Bangert wrote: > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > I'm simply amazed at the level of complete and total bullshit that some > > people spout off on this list without bothering to check facts or take > > 3 seco

Re: [gentoo-dev] baselayout-2 and volumes (raid, lvm, crypt, etc)

2007-04-13 Thread Chris Gianelloni
You can blame the abnormally high number of security vulnerabilities in large packages for the delays. Also, the dates given on the Release Engineering pages are nothing more than guesses made by me months before we even start the release. They are in no way binding. -- Chris Gianell

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
are still some things that are sent to -core that don't need to be, but the volume has come way down from the worst prior levels. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signa

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
#x27;t had much sex on this list, or we'd all have left long ago. :P -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 20:37 +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > What "news" exactly? That catalyst still supports a code branch it's > > had for some time now? *grin* There's nothing "new" to report. > > I've been

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 17:45 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:31:01 -0400 > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's really the point here. You should *never* have to contact the > > maintainer first for minor QA issues like changi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Why don't you just ...

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ges ahead of time so they know where to focus their time. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 17:15 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:04:15 -0400 > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just because stuff isn't maintained doesn't mean that it's not being > > > used, and if it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 18:13 +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Wow. I'm glad to see that yet another thing I spend so much time > > working on is marginalized or otherwise discounted because someone > > couldn't take 3 seconds to check their f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
#x27;ve come up with plenty of things that once discussed with someone else, turn out to be complete crap. ;] -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
r package foo is being renamed bar, then I would fully expect you to change all instances of foo in dependencies in the tree to bar, as it really only "affects" you since it was your package that changed. If you're adding a new default local USE that only affects your package, ther

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ed, and if it's not broken I fail to see why it should be removed. I've seen many times people say "well, this hasn't been touched since..." when a package has no bugs. Of *course* it hasn't been touched. It just works. I wouldn't be surprised if there were

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
s like to me there would be no change in how we operate currently. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
organization will solve our most pressing current issues. I'd rather clean the house up a bit before we decide to try to remodel it. The ideas of having differing metrics for different packages is really a good one. It doesn't require overlays to accomplish, either. The only real

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
obal problems, and forcing lots of individual groups to reinvent the wheel and tackle the same problems individually? Where are all of the unofficial projects going to get infrastructure from? Mirror space? Who is going to what is considered "Gentoo" and what isn't? How is this going to im

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:17 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: > Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: > > On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 23:34 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: > >> Then we require this file to be updated > >> monthly. What do you think? > > > > I think Release Engineerin

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 00:41 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: > Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: > > On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 22:50 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> it's just so easy to step on other > >> ppls feet these days ;) > > > > I tend to agree that

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
page - maintain said parser when we could simply have a single page for everybody to edit with the given information? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Desc

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ypo fixes due to the territoriality of some of our developers. We need to fix this and have a more open and welcoming feeling for new developers and old developers alike. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foun

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: extending project xml to have stuff that the project is working on and collect them as Gentoo current goals

2007-04-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
n a regular cycle. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New metastructure proposal

2007-04-10 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ndependent projects with no central authority make Gentoo better? Will it make the distribution better for our users? Reading back over your proposal with my questions in mind leaves me with exactly one last question. What, exactly, is your proposal supposed to actually accomplish? -- Chr

Re: [gentoo-dev] genlop-0.30.6 released

2007-04-09 Thread Chris Gianelloni
en in bugs.gentoo.org. Enjoy :) Does this mean we're hosting the project now? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEVELOPMENT* mail list, right?

2007-04-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2007-04-07 at 19:16 +0100, George Prowse wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 09:45 -0700, Ned Ludd wrote: > > > >> Here is what I'm doing these days.. > >> > > > > Let's see. I'm currently lea

Re: [Off-topic] Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEVELOPMENT* mail list, right?

2007-04-08 Thread Chris Gianelloni
n go to the gentoo-council mailing list. Topics to be discussed with/about the Trustees or the Foundation should go to gentoo-nfp. I think we all should do our part in asking people to keep things on topic, and for discussions to move to the proper lists. If it isn't about development, i

Re: [gentoo-dev] *DEVELOPMENT* mail list, right?

2007-04-06 Thread Chris Gianelloni
he Catalyst Reference Manual, which I expect to have ready soon to allow me to stabilize catalyst 2.0.x and finally put catalyst 1.x to pasture. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gento

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ing as publicly as possible. It keeps complete wastes of time like this current thread from cropping up as easily, for one. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
equences for doing. I'm sticking with my principles and simply ignoring the continued noise on this subject. If anyone feels like talking to me about it, they can contact me privately so we can have a secret conspiracy discussion that nobody else knows about. Oh noes! Cabal! *roll eyes* -- Ch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 09:04 -0700, Josh Saddler wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 16:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> Honestly, the only reason there is any suggestion of a conspiracy is > >> because of the threats being made by certa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
How much plainer do I have to make it? We can not, and WILL NOT break that trust. It really is that simple. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
o this sort of pressure, since it will do nothing more but prove that being a whiny bitch and trying to pressure people into doing something will get people what they want. I surely don't want to set *that* precedent. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
al and political things within > Gentoo itself. I could be wrong about this, but that's how I read it. Correct. Currently, the Council (or anyone, really) would have to do something to endanger our copyrights, trademarks, or our legal standing for the trustees to do anything. -- Chris Gian

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2007-04-05 Thread Chris Gianelloni
quot; and actually try to enact some good, and when we do, you hear a few vocal individuals running around screaming like we killed their kitten. So which is it? Would you rather have a strong Council that is capable of making decisions without having to worry about whether that decision is popular

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: SCM choices

2007-04-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ing to test it with a newer git that does this well, then that is something we can look at as something that has changed. > I also learned that darcs does not support enough architectures, most > importantly mips. Therefore > I'd like to know what architectures need to be supported by a cand

Re: [gentoo-dev] Flourish Conference Reminder

2007-04-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
ipped past the message without even reading it or giving it a second thought. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams Games Developer/Council Member/Foundation Trustee Gentoo Foundation signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: SCM choices

2007-04-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
itical or personal, about given SCM software. I honestly don't care what anybody *thinks* about any particular SCM. I am interested in the facts and numbers. I don't have much preference myself other than that I already know CVS/SVN. If we were to make a change, even to SVN, I'd

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