Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Shall econf append its arguments to end of ./configure invocation?

2013-05-01 Thread David Leverton
On 1 May 2013 02:52, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: Then the person implementing the code for Paludis is either a monkey or a robot*. *or both (?!) Alternative possibilities include ninja, zombie and wizard.

Re: [gentoo-dev] x-modular.eclass: A modified approach to EAPI support

2009-03-08 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 08 March 2009 05:22:03 Donnie Berkholz wrote: FYI, using EXPORT_FUNCTIONS before inherit, as this patch caused x-modular.eclass to do, is broken in current portage releases. Zac said he would change this to be consistent with the lack of any ordering restriction in the PMS. Thanks to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April

2009-04-01 Thread David Leverton
2009/4/1 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org: If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know !  Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev list to see. I would like the Council to discuss the matter of Portage repeatedly changing behaviour in

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-3 draft: slot operator support

2009-04-09 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 09 April 2009 19:06:16 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: dev-lang/python So, wait, you want to depend on specific slots of python and keep them around, and manage all their related bugs? Isn't that exactly the opposite of what python upstream suggests, and *ALL* distros do? If you install

Re: [gentoo-dev] `paludis --info' is not like `emerge --info'

2009-05-10 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 10 May 2009 04:23:25 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: 1. It was a paludis bug, of course paludis --info came in handy (are you trying to jest? ;p) It's most likely not a Paludis bug; do you really think that no-one's ever tried to compile Qt4 on amd64 with Paludis until now? I'm guessing a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdrdao: ChangeLog cdrdao-1.2.2-r3.ebuild

2009-05-10 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 10 May 2009 09:58:22 Ryan Hill wrote: On Sun, 10 May 2009 02:00:17 -0600 Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote: You can't test FEATURES in an ebuild. It's portage-specific. Actually, am I right? Yes. (http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239671#c10 gives a better approach for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdrdao: ChangeLog cdrdao-1.2.2-r3.ebuild

2009-05-10 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 10 May 2009 13:47:45 Ben de Groot wrote: What do you expect? He's an exherbo dev, only here to criticize Gentoo and gloat over its perceived failings. It's pretty hilarious that you think you know anything about me.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdrdao: ChangeLog cdrdao-1.2.2-r3.ebuild

2009-05-10 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 10 May 2009 14:02:48 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: It's even more hilarious that you expect to fix Gentoo's problems by bitching about them. Same to you as I said to yngwin.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-cdr/cdrdao: ChangeLog cdrdao-1.2.2-r3.ebuild

2009-05-10 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 10 May 2009 14:02:57 Ben de Groot wrote: Just your activity on Gentoo channels (IRC, ML, etc), which is what my assessment is based on. Nothing I've ever done anywhere, in Gentoo channels or elsewhere, in any way implies that I'm only here to criticize Gentoo and gloat over its

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-14 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:06:51 Patrick Lauer wrote: For quite some time (over a year, actually) we've been discussing the mysterious and often misunderstood GLEP55. [http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0055.html] We agree on the latter adjective, if nothing else. The proposed solution

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-15 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 15 May 2009 02:42:33 George Prowse wrote: Having countered those four points I guess you agree with the other five then. Over 50% success rate (by your definition) is hardly being ignorant or trolling In that case we can assume that Patrick agrees with all my counterpoints, since he

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-15 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 15 May 2009 21:06:13 Steven J Long wrote: In practical terms, this is a useless proposal. It rightly got trashed last year. No, it did not get trashed, despite some people's attempts to make their side sound more popular than it really is. Some people like the idea, some don't, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-16 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 16 May 2009 10:27:51 Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: How is it possible to do these things encoded in the filename? For the export example, it's just a matter of using a different bash syntax from what the magic regex expects, which is completely irrelevant if it goes in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-16 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 16 May 2009 13:14:23 Duncan wrote: I mean, for the longest time, the main (among many) boosting claim seemed to be that the speed difference between in-file and in-filename made the former prohibitive in practice. No, performance was never the point of GLEP 55. People like to talk

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-17 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 17 May 2009 08:29:31 Patrick Lauer wrote: I thought we had agreed that (1) with GLEP55 you have to source the ebuild anyway (whereas the other proposal allows to just parse it to get at the EAPI value) and (2) you can cache it sanely so that performance isn't the issue? You don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 55 updated

2009-05-17 Thread David Leverton
2009/5/17 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 17 May 2009 23:17:57 +0200 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: 2. Add new global scope functions in any sane way This is a valid use case, as seen by the eapi-2 update. But the way this is currently handled by portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55 updated

2009-05-18 Thread David Leverton
2009/5/18 Steven J Long sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk: David Leverton wrote: 2009/5/17 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org: I think the way eapi-2 was introduced into the tree wasn't particularly problematic. I think there might be a misunderstanding here. Ciaran means functions provided

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: The fallacies of GLEP55

2009-05-24 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 24 May 2009 21:40:57 Steven J Long wrote: Hmm way to go putting thoughts in my head that aren't there. Yes, that sums you up quite nicely.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council 2009/2010 - Nominations are now open

2009-06-02 Thread David Leverton
On Monday 01 June 2009 05:25:06 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: Hello fellow developers and users. Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2009/2010 are now open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 14/06/2009). I would like to nominate dirtyepic, as he has repeatedly shown himself to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] [EAPI=3] Add approprietly prefixed values of IUSE_* variables to IUSE

2009-07-05 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 05 July 2009 03:33:54 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: I would like to suggest that values of IUSE_* variables (whose names end with values of USE_EXPAND variable), after prefixing with lower-cased names of appropriate variables included in USE_EXPAND, should be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-21 Thread David Leverton
2009/8/21 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis arfre...@gentoo.org: Portage documentation has been properly fixed (and the fix will be released in next version) and this feature can now be used in 10.0 profiles. No. Changing the documentation does not retroactively change existing EAPIs.

[gentoo-dev] EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread David Leverton
In EAPI 3, most commands and functions provided by the package manager automatically call die if they fail. There's also a new nonfatal function that can be used to suppress this behaviour: by prefixing a function/command call with nonfatal, the automatic die behaviour is suppressed during the

[gentoo-dev] Re: EAPI 3 and nonfatal die

2009-08-21 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 21 August 2009 21:56:41 David Leverton wrote: A potential advantage of this over the previous solution is that if the force option is implemented with an environment variable, it can be used regardless of EAPI ...except that the previous solution could use an environment variable too

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-22 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 23 August 2009 01:26:24 Chip Parker wrote: So, Ciaran, if your personal reference implementation of PMS fails miserably when using this methodology, your argument that I won't be or am not affected by your attempt at changing portage is invalid. If you'd like to test for yourself,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-22 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 23 August 2009 02:10:36 Chip Parker wrote: They're the same thing. It doesn't matter if the profiles directory is in located in /tmp or in /usr/local/portage, the behavior of paludis *still* doesn't support the feature that these profiles depend on and portage still *HAS* since

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant'

2009-08-23 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 23 August 2009 03:39:52 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: /etc/make.profile is by default a symlink to appropriate profile directory in ${PORTDIR}/profiles. Again, a detail of how Portage is configured. PMS only covers profiles that are in repositories - it's up to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] profiles/info_pkgs

2009-08-23 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 23 August 2009 18:28:46 Ulrich Mueller wrote: ... still contains the following entries: app-admin/eselect-compiler dev-util/confcache Both packages were punted about two years ago, so maybe it's time to clean up? Ulrich confcache is still available in masterdriverz's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Add operator + for licenses (EAPI-4 ?)

2009-09-04 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 04 September 2009 16:01:41 Rémi Cardona wrote: For instance, I'm still working on migrating all the X11 packages to the MIT license (mainly for cleaning purposes), but in fact, each and every package should have its own license file (like today) because the MIT license requires that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in xfce-base/xfconf: ChangeLog xfconf-4.6.1.ebuild

2009-10-06 Thread David Leverton
On Monday 05 October 2009 23:20:10 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: You probably will see some remarks about commit it, and let everyone else deal with the mess for years to come being the long-established Gentoo tradition, however. Not to mention accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a troll.

Re: [gentoo-dev] FEATURES use or misuse?

2009-11-03 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 15:48:03 Patrick Lauer wrote: To quote: FEATURES is a portage specific package manager configuration variable not specified in PMS and cannot reliably be used in ebuilds or eclasses. This has been the Portage team's position for years, since long before there were

Re: [gentoo-dev] mtime preservation

2009-11-26 Thread David Leverton
2009/11/26 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com: This discussion in generall is daft.  No package can rely on nanonsecond resolution for installation because the most common FS out there (ext3) does *second* level resolution only.  As such, I can pretty much gurantee there is *zero* packages out

Re: [gentoo-dev] mtime preservation

2009-11-26 Thread David Leverton
2009/11/26 Brian Harring ferri...@gmail.com: Why is this one special?  Two out of three do this already, and it works. You mean two out of three blatently ignored long-standing behaviour and added a new feature without discussion or an EAPI bump.  Paludis doesn't preserve mtime You mean

Re: [gentoo-dev] mtime preservation

2009-11-26 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 26 November 2009 13:21:43 Brian Harring wrote: It was always on the todo to convert portage over to preserving mtime- this long predates PMS and even EAPI. Like, for example, use deps? Yet somehow we managed to introduce those in a new EAPI, instead of retroactively adding them to

Re: [gentoo-dev] x11-libs/lib*: wrong RDEPENDs bug

2009-12-28 Thread David Leverton
On Monday 28 December 2009 20:50:17 Fabio Erculiani wrote: What all this has to do with the fact that they are just build dependencies? Just wondering. They're not just build dependencies. They're required to use the library in a certain way, namely to compile other programs against it. As

Re: [gentoo-dev] x11-libs/lib*: wrong RDEPENDs bug

2009-12-28 Thread David Leverton
On Monday 28 December 2009 21:04:01 Fabio Erculiani wrote: To me you are saying that DEPEND would work just fine. No? Setting the proto as DEPEND for the library wouldn't work because a user could install the library, remove every DEPEND-only package and legitimately expect the library to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: don't define ebeep and epause in eutils in EAPI 3

2010-01-17 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 17 January 2010 20:38:48 Petteri Räty wrote: With GLEP 42 and proper logging of e* messages I think we shouldn't annoy users any more with ebeep or epause so attached is a patch only defines these functions for EAPIs 0, 1 and 2. Anyone have a reason to keep these around for EAPI 3?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New eclass for x11 packages

2010-02-18 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 18 February 2010 22:33:42 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: [[ ${PN} == util-macros ]] || DEPEND+= =x11-misc/util-macros-1.3.0 [[ ${PN} == font-util ]] || DEPEND+= =media-fonts/font-util-1.1.1-r1 Do non-fonts really need font-util there? Looks like that sets up a nice circular

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New eclass for x11 packages

2010-02-18 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 18 February 2010 23:16:54 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: That || die is not for eautoreconf [[ -e something ]] somethingexists || somethingisnotexisting For your behaviour it would have to look like this [[ -e something ]] { somethingexists || die if the commands failed ; } Do you mean

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Marking bugs for bugday?

2010-03-06 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 06 March 2010 15:26:10 Ioannis Aslanidis wrote: Well, I personally would prefer to have two keywords at least, one for candidates and another for confirmed bugs. This sounds like the sort of thing Bugzilla's flags mechanism is for.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Marking bugs for bugday?

2010-03-07 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 07 March 2010 04:30:55 Sebastian Pipping wrote: What I wonder now is: - Will it work with our very instance of Bugzilla? The security team uses (or at least has used in the past) flags on Gentoo Bugzilla. - Can certain flag states be required when searching? It looks like you need

Re: [gentoo-dev] pkg_pretend USE validation and VALID_USE alternative

2010-04-02 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 01 April 2010 19:39:43 Dror Levin wrote: Here's another suggestion: how about we don't impose any ridiculous constraints on development and keep this discussion on the technological side of the original proposal? It's not ridiculous to expect to have a new EAPI in a reasonable

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 19 June 2010 22:03:31 Ben de Groot wrote: It is about whether Gentoo wants to keep around people [...] who continually attack others Considering the number of attacks directed towards Paludis developers (and sometimes users), and lack of corresponding punishment, I can only assume

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 19 June 2010 23:01:33 Patrick Lauer wrote: you're actively stepping in the way of moving fists to complain that people punch you. Stop doing that. You mean banning trolls is an invitation for you to snip the trolling and publicly accusing me of banning them on a whim? (excerpt

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 19 June 2010 23:05:25 Domen Kožar wrote: http://xkcd.com/386/ s/wrong/attacking me in public/ and it might be closer.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding --as-needed to LDFLAGS in profiles/default/linux/make.defaults

2010-06-29 Thread David Leverton
On Monday 28 June 2010 02:09:44 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: Hello everyone, I'm sure at least half of you are thinking Oh no, not this again..., and I agree. However, I'm /also/ thinking Why the heck haven't we done this yet? [...] /If/ you're¹ going to insist on doing this, could you please

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding --as-needed to LDFLAGS in profiles/default/linux/make.defaults

2010-06-29 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 29 June 2010 09:46:52 Alex Alexander wrote: If the community feels their choice, albeit not perfect, will help the project, you have to respect that. That is, if you want to be part of the community :) I see your point to some extent, but the concern is that such decisions might

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Adding --as-needed to LDFLAGS in profiles/default/linux/make.defaults

2010-07-05 Thread David Leverton
On 5 July 2010 14:01, Peter Hjalmarsson x...@rymdraket.net wrote: 1. (A t-shirt saying 2 + 2 = 5. For this joke to work you have to know how to round numbers, and that 2 can be rounded from everything between 1,5 and 2,4, and that 4,8 rounds to 5. And it is still correct math.) You said

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Major changes to the Gnome2 Eclasses

2008-03-14 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 14 March 2008 07:14:23 Rémi Cardona wrote: - the gnome2 eclass now has a pkg_preinst, if you do multiple inherits, make sure that gnome2_pkg_preinst is called too. The _games_eclass_ is one of those. Maybe worth adding a dummy to the current version of the eclass so that ebuilds

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Major changes to the Gnome2 Eclasses

2008-03-14 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 14 March 2008 12:14:39 Petteri Räty wrote: David Leverton kirjoitti: Maybe worth adding a dummy to the current version of the eclass so that ebuilds can be updated now, instead of suddenly all at once as soon as the new eclass is committed? And break a bunch of ebuilds to stable

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Major changes to the Gnome2 Eclasses

2008-03-14 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 14 March 2008 12:20:15 Rémi Cardona wrote: David Leverton a écrit : Maybe worth adding a dummy to the current version of the eclass so that ebuilds can be updated now, instead of suddenly all at once as soon as the new eclass is committed? Good idea, I'll see what I can do

Re: [gentoo-dev] escaping variables in sed expressions

2008-04-15 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 15 April 2008 12:14:57 Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: There are several option to handle this. I could use a less common delimiter or I could escape it: ${D//_/\_} instead of ${D}. I could use a sed expression that doesn't suffer from this problem (thanks to dleverton): sed -ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?

2008-05-30 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 30 May 2008 13:22:15 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: The only thing that can be broken by using --as-needed is code that assumes the order in calling the .init sections of a set of shared objects. Such an order is not only changed by --as-needed usage but by any other change in the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?

2008-05-30 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 30 May 2008 17:29:49 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: This really is backward, solution-wise: you expect the core application to know enough of the plugins to link them together, but not enough to call their init functions... Why should it call their init functions, when a static

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: --as-needed to default LDFLAGS (Was: RFC: Should preserve-libs be enabled by default?)

2008-05-31 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 31 May 2008 11:14:33 Luca Barbato wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Fact: the underlying issue is a libtool bug. Wrong, it isn't just that, --as-needed and libtool are unrelated. The issue that as-needed tries to solve is libraries being linked to binaries or other libraries that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastriting dev-libs/libffi (replaced by USE libffi in gcc itself)

2008-06-05 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 05 June 2008 19:21:24 Albert Zeyer wrote: Are you sure that Squeak really depends on libffi? I just compiled it (squeak-3.9.7) fine without having libffi on my system and with disabled libffi USE-flag. According to my reading of the code, it doesn't use libffi on x86-linux,

Re: [gentoo-dev] A few questions to our nominees

2008-06-09 Thread David Leverton
On Monday 09 June 2008 11:28:03 Josh Saddler wrote: Let's change all that hideous, barely readable multiple brace/bracket abuse into something more human-readable, shall we? Please explain why angle brackets are readable but braces aren't. pre caption=Environment state between functions

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-11 Thread David Leverton
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 12:11:33 Brian Harring wrote: Effectively, we've watched it essentially progress into a standard that effectively only the paludis folk are adherent to (if in doubt, ask portage folk, my sending this mail is indicative of the pkgcore standpoint)- it's about time the

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started

2008-06-11 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 12 June 2008 02:46:03 Jim Ramsay wrote: David Leverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since at least one ebuild has already been modified specifically to work around the bug, I'd say it's pretty real. For those of us trying to play along at home, which one is this? http://tinyurl.com

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-12 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 12 June 2008 08:36:18 Markus Ullmann wrote: After investing more than two hours to just read the Mails that popped up yesterday regarding this stuff, I'd say we can't really take this serious. The PMS maintainers were withholding information on compatibility issues they've seen.

Re: [gentoo-council] Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-12 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 12 June 2008 18:14:21 Mike Frysinger wrote: he was told to remove kdebuild-1 from the repo and this has yet to happen I just checked the April meeting log, and while I admit I didn't read every word from start to finish, all I could see was that kdebuild couldn't be in the final,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-12 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 12 June 2008 22:21:48 Wernfried Haas wrote: Agreed, if this is the way PMS is done, we should either get rid of it or do it differently. The current status as presented here is inacceptable. Could someone please explain what's wrong with PMS, other than needs moar XML and I hate

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-12 Thread David Leverton
2008/6/13 Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In this instance, it's the pulling teeth to get info on a claimed known bug from PMS folks on pkgcore, while at the same time, complaints about the non-clarity of PMS is met with remarks (by the same group of people) of (paraphrased) filed a patch yet? In

Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2008-06-13 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 13 June 2008 03:20:23 Brian Harring wrote: 1) http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171291 metadata/cache (hence labeled flat_list cache format) mtime requirements. The current spec attempts to handle things as well as possible on the package manager side. If you'd like it to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-13 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 13 June 2008 11:10:46 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: Interesting to note, however, that Paludis doesn't accept inline comments, and this behaviour predates PMS. There's a reason for Paludis not accepting them, and the same reason applies to the question of allowing them in PMS or not,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-13 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 13 June 2008 11:18:53 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: Wait, what? Where possible ? You'd prefer us to do impossible things too? PMS is supposed to be a specification which is as close to Gentoo's Official Package manager's behaviour as possible while (preferably) leaving out deprecated

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-13 Thread David Leverton
On Friday 13 June 2008 11:23:29 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 3:49 PM, David Leverton There's a reason for Paludis not accepting them, and the same reason applies to the question of allowing them in PMS or not, therefore PMS doesn't allow them. There's no evil conspiracy

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-15 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 15 June 2008 15:42:28 Peter Volkov wrote: For example, currently, PMS team does not include anybody from portage team - official PM team and thus this team can't represent Gentoo interests. The Portage team is perfectly welcome to contribute if they wish. zmedico is on the alias,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-18 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 04:09:26 George Prowse wrote: In the end, PMS is just a way for them to spread their own agenda Lies and FUD. maybe it would be best for all if paludis and it's developers were to concentrate on making paludis for a different distro. Trollix may be a good place to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-18 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 01:23:33 Chris Gianelloni wrote: Considering that the most recent official release is 2008.0_beta2, I don't see where you have a point, at all. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/#doc_chap5 The latest release of Gentoo Linux is: Gentoo Linux 2007.0 for Alpha, AMD64,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages broken by phase ordering change

2008-06-18 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 02:21:24 Chris Gianelloni wrote: It seems that everything these days is an EAPI scope change. Everything change that has the potential to break existing packages, or to make new packages incompatible with existing package managers, is an EAPI scope change. That is the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 08:41:34 Luca Barbato wrote: The point is to avoid breaking Portage versions that users might reasonably be using, even if only briefly. Do you really expect /all/ users doing a new installation to choose the scary beta instead of the nice safe release? What

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 08:44:41 Luca Barbato wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 12:22 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: Care to share the logic and wise reasoning ? [ ${IDEA_ORIGIN} != Ciaran ] die I tend to agree. The reason has already been explained multiple times,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 08:46:02 Luca Barbato wrote: David Leverton wrote: On Thursday 19 June 2008 04:09:26 George Prowse wrote: In the end, PMS is just a way for them to spread their own agenda Lies and FUD. No Yes. ...are you issuing a press release for exherbo? What the hell

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Removing .la files...

2008-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 08:51:15 Luca Barbato wrote: We could either pick a week and do a major ebuild update to remove .la files when unnecessary or just append a notice about revdep rebuild. How do you decide when they're unnecessary? -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Removing .la files...

2008-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 10:36:12 Luca Barbato wrote: 1 getting static libraries (pkg-config replaces this use) Not for library consumers that use libtool but not pkgconfig. 2 load plugins using libtool support Why only plugins? What's to stop an application from loading a normal library

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Removing .la files...

2008-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 11:39:44 Luca Barbato wrote: Corner cases as usual... What's that supposed to mean? -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Removing .la files...

2008-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 13:08:09 Rémi Cardona wrote: David Leverton a écrit : Not for library consumers that use libtool but not pkgconfig. I'd be in favor of having a _default_ configuration for Gentoo where static binaries are never built except for some key packages (mainly for rescue

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:02:13 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: The point is that their replies to the mailing list waste a lot of time and energy since people will *always* reply to them. Replies? On a mailing list? Whatever is the world coming to? I completely agree. They should stop pushing it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:19:32 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM, David Leverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:02:13 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: The point is that their replies to the mailing list waste a lot of time and energy since people

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:52:01 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: oh noes, too many posts with the same 3 people replying everywhere and spreading their minority irrelevant opinion as though it really mattered! What a gargantuan waste of time and energy11!~ If you disagree with people's opinions,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]

2008-06-19 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 19 June 2008 18:06:17 Jeroen Roovers wrote: In this case the attacks seem to be targeting a person who has been attacking an entire ~300 person project for a few years now. Is it considered acceptable to attack someone as long as the attacker thinks they deserve it? I honestly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7

2008-08-05 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 05 August 2008 16:16:25 Alec Warner wrote: That being said you are free to chat to Zac about the changes We've already spoken to him about the changes several times, and it's quite clear that he either can't or won't understand why it's bad to make incompatible changes without

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7

2008-08-05 Thread David Leverton
On Tuesday 05 August 2008 20:45:33 Ben de Groot wrote: It really baffles me that some developers are forcefully retired for anti-social behavior, but are not consequently banned from the places where they display this behavior, such as our MLs and IRC channels. I'm not aware of any

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] New PROPERTIES=live-sources setting for ebuilds?

2008-08-06 Thread David Leverton
On Wednesday 06 August 2008 07:37:26 Joe Peterson wrote: You are trying to say it's a 'live' ebuild (i.e. it gets the sources from a live source) - that's all. The locking issues are a technical detail No, the locking issues are the whole point. There are other reasons to want the package

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement

2008-08-11 Thread David Leverton
2008/8/11 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Many folks are happy at the current pace of development. I imagine these two folks were frustrated at the lack of new features in the ebuild spec that were readily available in kdebuild-1 and decided to move on. More power to them I say. I'm pretty

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7

2008-08-14 Thread David Leverton
2008/8/14 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Why aren't fired developers banned from the channels where they displayed this behavior? Isn't this one effectively withdrawn? I asked yngwin which devs he was referring to, and he said there weren't any, so is there anything left to discuss?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition)

2008-08-25 Thread David Leverton
On Monday 25 August 2008 20:36:34 Zac Medico wrote: Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at the dependencies of kde-base/kde, it seems like it would be eligible to exhibit the virtual property. I'm inclined toward virtual since it's more brief and I think it might strike a chord

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread David Leverton
2008/9/4 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * The 'unpack' helper function recognizes ;sf=tbz2 and ;sf=tgz extensions, for interoperability with gitweb. * SRC_URI supports a syntax extension which allows customization of output file names by using a - operator. Is it useful to have both of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] EAPI 2 Draft

2008-09-05 Thread David Leverton
2008/9/5 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Both approaches are essentially equivalent but it's a little simpler for ebuild writer if they don't have to customize the output file name. But is it so much simpler as to justify adding a special gitweb-specific hack to the package managers?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ability to pass arguments to src_configure/src_compile

2008-09-08 Thread David Leverton
On Monday 08 September 2008 08:48:23 Vaeth wrote: But it doesn't do this well Those of us who have actually been using it say it does.

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2

2008-09-14 Thread David Leverton
On Thursday 11 September 2008 21:06:48 Doug Goldstein wrote: Tobias Scherbaum wrote: Luca Barbato wrote: I don't see any problems with it. +1 Tobias +1 Since this latest version hasn't generated any noticeable disagreement, could the Council please formally vote on it at the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making built_with_use die by default with EAPI 2

2008-09-21 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 20 September 2008 18:15:27 Alexis Ballier wrote: I can think of checks like: - foo is a dep/rdep of bar - foo has a plugin like architecture - bar will work with minimal foo - most people will expect some features in bar that come with foo's plugins - we might want to display

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-lang/python: ChangeLog python-2.6.ebuild python-2.5.2-r6.ebuild

2008-10-15 Thread David Leverton
On Wednesday 15 October 2008 10:33:22 Steve Long wrote: Here you go (this is on an old machine, so you'll get much quicker times if you try this at home): [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ echo $(run) #!/bin/bash P='some-crap/god-i-hate-asshats' I do hope that that isn't directed at anyone in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Flags to punt (including: kerberos USE flag)

2008-11-01 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 01 November 2008 02:44:50 Josh Saddler wrote: emboss - Seriously. Who needs the European Biology Open Software Suite on a *desktop* oriented system? That flag is only used by a few sci-biology packages, so if you don't have any of those installed, it doesn't matter whether the flag

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PMS] Add RESTRICT=distcc capability

2008-11-01 Thread David Leverton
On Saturday 01 November 2008 20:57:17 Gordon Malm wrote: I'd like to get distcc added as one of the FEATURES we are able to RESTRICT. Regardless of whether it's a good idea or not, does it fix all the known issues if the ebuild sets DISTCC_HOSTS=localhost in the environment?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Flags to punt (including: kerberos USE flag)

2008-11-03 Thread David Leverton
On Monday 03 November 2008 04:29:34 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: Why not use EAPI=1 for those ebuilds and turn the flag on by default? Well, as I said, it seems more sensible to me to set the default once, instead of once for each ebuild. I don't particularly care, though, just making sure people

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE dependencies

2009-01-04 Thread David Leverton
On Sunday 04 January 2009 16:48:38 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On the contrary, the reverse of what you say is true. A simple grep of the tree showed that: In how many of those ebuilds would the long form be use1? ( cat/pkg[use2] ) rather than use1? ( cat/pkg[use2] ) !use1? ( cat/pkg ) ?

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFD: EAPI specification in ebuilds

2012-03-07 Thread David Leverton
On 7 March 2012 21:07, Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org wrote: As i understand it, $PM will need to try the regexp tingy on any ebuild anyway, guess the EAPI then source the ebuild with the right sourcer to get the real EAPI and compare it. Not exactly... the idea with proposal 2) is that

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFD: EAPI specification in ebuilds

2012-03-08 Thread David Leverton
On Mar 8, 2012 3:29 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: Something like DEPEND=foo bar is also valid bash, and yet we don't allow that either because foo bar does not contain valid dependency atoms. There's a bit of a difference between caring about the value of a variable and caring about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-14 Thread David Leverton
On 14 March 2012 18:56, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: Whatever the arguments may be, the whole discussion boils down to the fact that the only people who seem to have a problem are those that have a separate /usr partition and simultaneously refuse to use an initramfs. I wonder if it

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