Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-22 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 21 May 2013 18:57:20 -0600 Ryan Hill wrote: > Huh? The severity of the bug is it's an enhancement. The point I was making is we could improve things by a fair margin. If all stabilisation bugs had a Severity that actually reflected the severity, then I'd pay attention to it. Right now o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-22 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:41 +1000 Michael Palimaka wrote: > A newer version of a package is usually considered to be better in > some way, hence it is an enhancement. Unless it's a Blocker, of course. :) > According to the bug-wrangler's own docs[1]: "A stabilisation request > should be handl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: robo-stable bugs

2013-05-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 23 May 2013 23:40:42 -0600 Ryan Hill wrote: > Okay, so what are you using the STABLEREQ keyword for that you want > to set it when the bug is filed but before archs are added? If you > want to see only stabilization bugs you can search in the Keywording > and Stabilization component. Ca

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: sed script redundancy

2013-06-09 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 20 May 2011 17:39:22 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > for a while now I've been wondering if all those sed scripts in all > those ebuilds are really effective. This took rather long to find some spare time for. Plonk the attached bash script into /etc/portage/bashrc.d (which yo

[gentoo-dev] Patches on bug reports: thanks but no thanks for the credit

2013-07-04 Thread Jeroen Roovers
For a good while now, I have been obsoleting ebuild attachments on as yet unassigned bug reports and pasting proper unified diffs into comments. I have been doing this so that the maintainers of these ebuilds see the actual changes instead of a giant blob of code that the submitter of the ebuild mi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Temporary DevRel actions for CoC violations

2013-07-06 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:39:54 +0200 Fabio Erculiani wrote: > The final outcome I would love to see is that everybody eventually > graduates from kindergarten :-) > And perhaps introduce a "culture-fit" score in the recruiting, > mentoring process. Maybe we should require everyone to be able to re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Patches on bug reports: thanks but no thanks for the credit

2013-07-06 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 09:31:35 -0700 Brian Dolbec wrote: > Thank you for the extra effort. I appreciate it, although for the > one I had recently, it made it harder. I had just migrated the > ebuild to the new python eclasses. So the diff included the reversal > of those changes too. That happene

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] default bashrc value suggestion

2013-07-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:09:20 +0400 "Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov" wrote: > What about adding "export LC_ALL=POSIX" (or, at least, LC_MESSAGES) > [...] We've been over this plenty of times in the past. Notably in March 2009, July 2010 (about python specific build issues), April 2011, December 2011 a

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] default bashrc value suggestion

2013-07-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:36:26 +0400 "Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov" wrote: > Unfortunately, gentoo.org's archive seems to be broken/frozen, while > it is a bit hard to grep 3party archives to find already discussed > topics :-/ Please reply below the quoted text. > 27.07

Re: [gentoo-dev] s/disk space/drive space

2013-07-30 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:53:11 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 10:40 AM, viv...@gmail.com > wrote: > > does "storage space" make everyone happy? > > > > rich0 is confused and looks over at the "storage space" he keeps his > bicycles in... So what colour would your storage spa

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding ABI_MIPS USE_EXPAND

2013-07-31 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 09:04:56 -0700 Matt Turner wrote: > I committed it last night before your email. # Keep it sorted. Please do not add anything without prior discussion # on gentoo-dev. n32 n64 o32 This is not a valid format for a .desc file. You should use: - jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flag descriptions

2013-08-06 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 13:57:55 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > Currently, USE flag descriptions are a mix of imperative ("Enable") > and indicative ("Enables") forms, the former occuring more often: > >Enable : Enables = 2143 : 408 >Add : Adds = 525 : 341 >Build : Builds =

[gentoo-dev] Response to a "friendly note" about changing bug reports

2013-08-06 Thread Jeroen Roovers
23:37:25 rej, you have notes! [21:13] Let me rephrase this: Just a friendly notice to please refrain from rephrasing bug summaries from "Stabilize ${P}" to "${P} stable req". This just adds unneeded noise to the bug. I don't want this on bugs I've reported or am assigned to. This is my equally

Re: [gentoo-dev] Response to a "friendly note" about changing bug reports

2013-08-07 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 19:07:55 +0200 Manuel Rüger wrote: [...] I appreciate the kinder tone. > first of all I welcome and appreciate the work all members of the > other bug wranglers project[1] and you do. This is where you start to slip. I am not just a bug wrangler. - I maintain many hundreds

Re: [gentoo-dev] Response to a "friendly note" about changing bug reports

2013-08-07 Thread Jeroen Roovers
recting your mistakes, whether trivial or indeed grave (see below). Oh, and now we can't do anything without an existing policy? Good thing you decided to grace this project with your attention, or we wouldn't get anything done, like: Jeroen Roovers 2013-08-06 12:46:43 UTC Summary:

Re: [gentoo-dev] news item: Language of compiler messages etc. in build logs

2013-08-14 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 22:59:49 +0200 "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > anymore but default to English. The intention behind this is to intention behind this is => rationale is > have a hard time analyzing localized builds. analyzing localized builds => reading build logs in foreign languages > Thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving more arches to dev profiles

2013-08-24 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:28:24 +0100 Markos Chandras wrote: > Wow! That is something we actively encourage people to avoid. Mixed > systems are totally > unsupported and I am sure quite a few bugs are closed as invalid when > a mixed system is detected. Mixing stable and testing is precisely what

Re: [gentoo-dev] What to do with people who use internal eclass functions?

2013-08-26 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 09:38:04 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > I've noticed that some people are using internal eclass functions > in their ebuilds. [...] What should I do to them? File a bug report. Don't do anything "to" anyone. jer

How to find a mentor, WAS: [gentoo-dev] rfc: stabilization policies

2013-08-31 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 12:37:58 -0400 "Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" wrote: > I know we are a little OT here but the fifth type of recruit is Yes. > someone who is very excited, very dedicated, and completely unable to > find a mentor. That is where I was for a long time, no one seemed to > have th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improve the security of the default profile

2013-09-10 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 8 Sep 2013 18:06:56 -0600 Ryan Hill wrote: > So does anyone have any objections to making -fstack-protector the > default? Now is the time to speak up. On PARISC you get plenty of warning of how well it's going to work out: (cc1|gcc|foo): warning: -fstack-protector not supported for thi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 483274] app-text/poppler-0.22.5 Please stabilize

2013-09-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:41:12 +0200 "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > Please stop pointless bugspam. Nice one. I'm all for it. I'm not sure how it applies to me, though. You could prevent getting mail like that 1) by sending comments like the above to /dev/null or 2) by writing proper bug summaries

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 483274] app-text/poppler-0.22.5 Please stabilize

2013-09-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:19:47 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > Jer - can you comment on how these changes are getting made? Is this > some kind of script, or are you manually making these changes? It's a thing called "editing" and it is still usually done by humans (with a broad exception for modern

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 483274] app-text/poppler-0.22.5 Please stabilize

2013-09-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:50:06 +0200 Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Michael Palimaka > wrote: > > At what point do we draw the line? Today my mailbox is full of > > email with changes like "app-foo/bar-1.2.3: version bump" -> > > "app-foo/bar-1.7.3 - Version bump.", chan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-misc/emelfm2: emelfm2-0.9.0.ebuild metadata.xml ChangeLog

2013-09-23 Thread Jeroen Roovers
# ChangeLog for app-misc/emelfm2 # Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation; Distributed under the GPL v2 # $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/app-misc/emelfm2/ChangeLog,v 1.56 2013/09/23 09:47:35 ssuominen Exp $ 23 Sep 2013; Samuli Suominen emelfm2-0.8.1.ebuild, emelfm2-0.8.2.ebuild, emelfm2-0.9.

Re: [gentoo-dev] stabilizing libraries without testing reverse deps

2013-10-01 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 23:41:03 +0200 hasufell wrote: > Arch teams do not test them When "arch teams" do not test them, there is something wrong with "arch teams". Being a member of one, I assure you that is not what *I* do. jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: stabilizing libraries without testing reverse deps

2013-10-01 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 08:14:29 +0200 Agostino Sarubbo wrote: > These type of failures are _not_ architecture dependant. This is wrong. Libraries behave differently on different architectures because the compiled code is actually different. Different architectures use different ways to access and

Re: [gentoo-dev] stabilizing libraries without testing reverse deps

2013-10-01 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 01 Oct 2013 00:23:16 +0800 Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 09/30/2013 07:45 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > > due to technical issues with the robo-stable scripts. > > > due to technical issues with the robo-stable scripts. > > let me summarize my response as "WAT" I call, and rais

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-analyzer/wireshark: wireshark-1.6.13.ebuild wireshark-1.8.5.ebuild ChangeLog

2013-10-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 18:00:33 +0200 hasufell wrote: > I c. Woukd there be a way to change the plugin dir, so it is not > version specific anymore? Yes, we could call wireshark's configure with --with-plugins="${libdir}/wireshark/plugins" . It defaults to '${libdir}/wireshark/plugins/${VERSION}'.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2013-10-19 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:14:51 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > I'm worried about removing desktop-wm. I think we need some new > developers in that direction. I too am busy, but I think the best > use of my time might be mentoring new devs that want to pick up some > of the weak areas. With

[gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 488318] media-video/mpv[luajit] - Keyword request on alpha, arm, ppc, ppc64, sparc

2013-10-19 Thread Jeroen Roovers
request on alpha, |dev-lang/luajit:2 |arm, ppc, ppc64, sparc > > --- Comment #10 from Tom Wijsman (TomWij) --- > (In reply to Jeroen Roovers from comment #5) > > No, you broke it for HPPA users and for devs working on mpv. > > Yes, HPPA only because of the comment in pack

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 488318] media-video/mpv[luajit] - Keyword request on alpha, arm, ppc, ppc64, sparc

2013-10-21 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:41:02 +0100 Markos Chandras wrote: > No I never meant broken depgraphs. Well for broken deps, repoman does > not let you commit. If you use --force to workaround broken deps, > well, then you get what you deserve. No, apparently tomwij can get not only away with this (and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 488318] media-video/mpv[luajit] - Keyword request on alpha, arm, ppc, ppc64, sparc

2013-10-21 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:30:56 +0200 Tom Wijsman wrote: > Yes, I am sorry for that; it didn't came to mind to unkeyword HPPA, > because I planned to unkeyword the USE flags instead and have planned > to have a bug filed, I'll pay more attention to not -f again in a > hurry. There is no "instead".

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [Bug 488318] media-video/mpv[luajit] - Keyword request on alpha, arm, ppc, ppc64, sparc

2013-10-21 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:32:03 +0200 Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:50:34 +0200 > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:30:56 +0200 > > Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > > There is no "instead". > > Why is there no "in

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up

2013-12-14 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 07:42:48 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > By all means have an @useful-utils set or some kind of profile that > auto-installs a list of packages like openssh, vim, and so on. > However, these are not required to bootstrap a system Since we do want net-misc/rsync, having net-misc/op

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global use flags: 3dnowext, mmxext, ssse3, sse4_1, avx, avx2

2013-12-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 02:13:28 +0100 "Francesco R." wrote: > another possible case are packages that do run-time checking of usable > instruction set. www-plugins/adobe-flash[1] > The use flag could restrict the code to be compiled and installed from > the ebuild. Yes, and in that extreme case,

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global use flags: 3dnowext, mmxext, ssse3, sse4_1, avx, avx2

2013-12-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:07:42 -0500 "Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" wrote: > 3.) Broken build systems. Forgive me for the term, but packages like > libpng seem to require arcane configure flags like > "--enable-arm-neon=$(usex neon on off)" to enable my neon fpu despite > passing -mfpu=neon. Retard

Re: [gentoo-dev] Doing and then undoing slotmoves

2013-12-23 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:07:21 -0600 Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Seems we should add repoman support to check profiles/. Spec mandates > that are not implemented in any tool are unlikely to be adhered to. repoman does not work in profiles, to my knowledge. It expects ebuild in package directories in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Doing and then undoing slotmoves

2013-12-26 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:15:00 -0600 Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > repoman does not work in profiles, to my knowledge. It expects > > ebuild in package directories in categorie directories. > > I'm confused. Isn't that exactly what I just said? "add repoman > support" Yes, you did, but apparently th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Feature Request: making thirdpartymirrors easier to manage

2014-01-08 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:12:59 + "Robin H. Johnson" wrote: > I was also asked by a user to make it possible to adjust the priority > of some mirror URLs, instead of only random choice. While we are at it, we could add keywords for (global) regions, so that I can set portage to look for a Europe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage Feature Request: making thirdpartymirrors easier to manage

2014-01-08 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:37:13 -0500 Alex Xu wrote: > Eww. Geographically-close files should be made available through > GENTOO_MIRRORS and the regular distfiles system. How do you define GENTOO_MIRRORS? Where did RESTRICT=mirror go? Oh right. What if those are not available? What I am proposing i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage QOS

2014-01-09 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 19:26:24 +0400 Igor wrote: > >> For various reasons many techs were not implemented and now Gentoo > >> is in a > > kind of stagnation. > > > What do you mean by that in particular? > > Gentoo stopped. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=298754 https://bugs.gentoo.org/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Question, Portage QOS v3

2014-01-10 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:26:47 +0400 Igor wrote: > In project like that I can't rush to programming it without > everyone's approval. You don't need anyone's approval to do anything. Just go for it. jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights

2014-01-22 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:22:07 -0700 Denis Dupeyron wrote: > Yes, thoughts, absolutely. Asking for QA to be at the same time judge, > party and executioner. Need I say more? Actually, infra would be the executioner. Also, as already pointed out, this practice was established a very long time ago,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Add a KEYWORD representing any arch

2014-01-22 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 10:46:28 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > Instead, we should come up with a clear set of rules under what > circumstances package maintainers are allowed to stabilise ebuilds > themselves on all architectures. The cases where stabilisation is important (for security, progress) a

Re: [gentoo-dev] ekeyword written in python from scratch

2014-01-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 01:01:40 -0500 Mike Frysinger wrote: > at any rate, if other devs who use this want to give it a crack, > that'd be great. iron out bugs before the next release. > http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/gentoolkit.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/ekeyword/ekeyword.py;hb=gentoolk

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Hosting daily gx86 squashfs images and deltas

2014-01-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:52:09 +0100 Michał Górny wrote: > That's just the LZ4 library code. We additionally need the SquashFS > support code. It has been introduced in squashfs-tools lately > (4.2_p20140119 has it, though disabled by ebuild) and I don't see it > in the kernel's master branch yet.

Re: [gentoo-dev] ekeyword written in python from scratch

2014-01-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:14:54 -0500 Mike Frysinger wrote: > > It's more obvious with the fancy colouring > > if you dislike the color format, then pick a different one. there > are a large number available. I didn't intend that at all. A coloured multiline output would be a nice default, though

Re: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords

2014-01-28 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 08:33:05 -0800 ""Paweł Hajdan, Jr."" wrote: > Why not allow maintainers to drop redundant stable and even ~arch > keywords from their packages? This is standard practice already. jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Catalyst news item

2014-01-30 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 19:25:08 -0800 "W. Trevor King" wrote: > > +report issues to the catalyst team, > > This reads “catalyst@” to me, which is fine if that's what you indend. > However, you may want to suggest gentoo-catalyst@ instead, if you want > a wider net of possible responders. Issues sh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New eclass: xdg-basedir

2014-01-30 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:03:52 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > It may be little known, but strictly speaking, hyphens in bash > identifiers are illegal: > > `name' > A `word' consisting solely of letters, numbers, and underscores, > and beginning with a letter or underscore. `Name's are u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: dropping redundant stable keywords

2014-02-05 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 15:41:58 +0400 Sergey Popov wrote: > Cause it seems that not everybody agrees with policy that we are > trying to make. Because it's impossible to create a simple policy to solve complex problems. It's a waste of time and it's going to break more than you set out to fix. Use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: dropping redundant stable keywords

2014-02-05 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:07:22 -0600 Steev Klimaszewski wrote: > > Why is this pure and utter bullshit? > > Because I'm attempting to have a discussion with a brick wall. I hit that problem immediately in another sub-thread. Are we on to something here? Regards, jer

Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

2014-02-14 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:59:58 +0100 Tom Wijsman wrote: > > And that can work without a problem if we have a mechanism > > in place to relieve maintainers of those bugs. > > Such mechanism could be to assign those bug to the arch team, this > idea came up at FOSDEM; it won't solve the lack of manp

Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

2014-02-15 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:41:57 +0100 Tom Wijsman wrote: > > Assigning bugs so arch teams is cosmetic at best. s|so|to| > While it was not explained here, the idea can also move the actual > maintenance of the ebuild to the arch team; such that it becomes the > arch team's responsibility to deal w

Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

2014-02-15 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:53:22 -0600 William Hubbs wrote: > The problem with this is, what if it is more than one arch team? Which > one do you assign it to? Oh the fun we had in the past when bugs got assigned to one arch team with a few others CC'd and no maintainer in sight (because maybe the m

[gentoo-dev] Last rites - net-analyzer/ethstatus

2014-02-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
# Jeroen Roovers (16 Feb 2014) # Unmaintained, has several problems on modern systems, # superseded by net-analyzer/ifststatus (bug #501432) net-analyzer/ethstatus Removal in about 30 days.

Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

2014-02-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 08:23:27 +0100 Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > While it was not explained here, the idea can also move the actual > > > maintenance of the ebuild to the arch team; such that it becomes > > > the arch team's responsibility to deal with it, or rather don't > > > deal with it > > > > H

Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

2014-02-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:00:16 +0100 Tom Wijsman wrote: > In this case the maintainer isn't needed on the bug anymore. You can't simply drop your old toys when you get bored with them. You're leaving a mess in the tree and blaming others. You have achieved nothing else. > > Or when another arch a

Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

2014-02-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:03:31 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > Well, that depends on your perspective. If they fix them by deleting > the old version, then whether they've made things better or worse is a > matter of philosophy. When you've cut the understaffed arch team out of the loop and removed t

Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

2014-02-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:22:49 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > Well, they can assign the burden to an understaffed team if the team > wants them to. Achieving nothing in the process, even if the understaffed team actually responds. > Perhaps an intermediate solution is that when a STABLEREQ gets stal

Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

2014-02-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:18:42 +0100 Pacho Ramos wrote: > I think that, if they delete del old version without breaking the tree > (and, then, moving the package to testing for that arch), the > situation is improved. But, if the bug is assigned to the same team > that cannot handle its stabilizati

Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

2014-02-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: > Basically that one version of the package is now maintained by the > arch team. Yes, I know they won't maintain it. The only people that > impacts are those who use the arch, who are free to join the arch > team and help out. My sense is

Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

2014-02-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:53:57 +0100 Pacho Ramos wrote: In this case: > > > - Versions that are not stabilized because arch team doesn't have > > > the man power to do that. > > > > As above, package.mask would be a good intermediate solution, > > communicating the problem to the arch users for,

Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords)

2014-02-17 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:46:43 +0100 Tom Wijsman wrote: > It allows undermanned arch teams to prioritize Oh, so you're still assuming an understaffed team somehow manages to do some work in an appropriate time frame. It's getting old. Apparently "understaffed" isn't the right word since it keeps

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding slot and subslot deps to others' packages

2014-03-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 09:37:22 +0100 Michał Górny wrote: > Few months ago I have written a small FAQ on how to use slots > and subslots for library dependencies properly [1]. However, today > I see that most of the developers didn't care to properly update their > packages and when I introduced bina

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding slot and subslot deps to others' packages

2014-03-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:52:22 +0100 Michał Górny wrote: > > How about you file a tracker bug report for each library package, > > and then file bug reports per package using that dependency > > blocking the tracker bug? > > Excuse me but are you serious? Sure. > I'm supposed to report a faftilli

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding slot and subslot deps to others' packages

2014-03-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 17:34:36 +0100 "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: > > How about you file a tracker bug report for each library package, > > and then file bug reports per package using that dependency > > blocking the tracker bug? > > I see your point. However please read this beautiful document for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding slot and subslot deps to others' packages

2014-03-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 12:32:05 -0500 Mike Gilbert wrote: > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Jeroen Roovers > wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 09:37:22 +0100 > > Michał Górny wrote: > > > >> Few months ago I have written a small FAQ on how to use slots > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding slot and subslot deps to others' packages

2014-03-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 14:44:52 -0500 Mike Gilbert wrote: > Unless I have missed mgorny's point here, this isn't just about > libraries that have currently subslots. This is about every single > library in the tree. Some (many?) libraries rarely change API/ABI so it wouldn't make sense to include th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding slot and subslot deps to others' packages

2014-03-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 19:58:47 +0100 Michał Górny wrote: > > Honestly, setting up a tracker and blocking it with bugs about > > packages which someones-sub-SLOT-checking-script has vetted to be > > involved could be done in less than a day (for the hundred or so > > packages that depend on dev-libs/

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 Alec Warner wrote: > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package_Tags "This GLEP author would love to blight categories out of gentoo history as a giant mistake." Why? jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:03:38 +0100 Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 23/03/14 15:46, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > "This GLEP author would love to blight categories out of gentoo > > history as a giant mistake." That's not what I wrote. It's a quotation. > It

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-24 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:36:19 +0100 Jan Matejka wrote: > Categories are essentially tags, only less powerful as they can > express relationship of 1:N while tags are can express M:N No, categories are essentially directories. I was asking about tags, not about categories. It appears it's very h

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-24 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 10:55:38 -0400 Damien Levac wrote: > A lot of people already replied to this question: package search. I didn't ask for an explanation on the mailing list. I quoted [1] because it needs to be more specific exactly where it needs to be more specific. The GLEP still doesn't exp

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-25 Thread Jeroen Roovers
categories. > > The original mails are: > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 15:46:09 +0100 > > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:33:27 -0700 > > > Alec Warner wrote: > > > > > > > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Package

Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtuals for libudev and libgudev

2014-04-01 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 19:18:44 + hasufell wrote: > Tom... I am not sure if you know that, but your posts are difficult to > read. You split up posts horribly and I am often unable to follow what > you mean... at all. > > If I am the only one, then it's probably my fault. It's a good thing you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Call to Emacs Gentoo Devs: Help Make My Package Pretty?

2014-05-08 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 9 May 2014 00:53:59 + Kent Fredric wrote: > On 8 May 2014 22:23, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote: > > > Would somebody help me to make the ebuild do the right thing with > > the emacs stuff? It would be most appreciated. > > > Title of the mail is a little confusing/distracting/misleadin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-vcs/cvs: cvs-1.12.12-r6.ebuild cvs-1.12.12-r8.ebuild cvs-1.12.12-r10.ebuild cvs-1.11.23.ebuild ChangeLog cvs-1.12.12-r7.ebuild cvs-1.12.1

2014-05-13 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 14 May 2014 00:11:21 + "Robin H. Johnson" wrote: > Anyway, I'm ripping that out entirely to replace with RESTRICT=test. Great. jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Update to elisp-common.eclass

2014-05-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 18 May 2014 20:13:07 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote: Are you sure this is useful? > --- a/eclass/elisp-common.eclass > +++ b/eclass/elisp-common.eclass > @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ > -# Copyright 1999-2013 Gentoo Foundation > +# Copyright 1999-2014 Gentoo Foundation > # Distributed under the terms of

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Removing src_test from www-client/chromium

2014-05-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 27 May 2014 10:09:45 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > I don't know how much chromium is built and tested on lesser-used > arches (ie: arm, hppa, ia64, etc) No version of webkit/blink is known to work on HPPA, particularly because the JS engine is broken on systems where the stack grows up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Creating a USE_EXPAND for ssl providers

2014-05-30 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 29 May 2014 13:42:01 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > Back in Jun 2012 I added a CURL_SSL to the USE_EXPAND to represent You could start by fixing boring old bugs instead of working on exciting new features. See bug 510580, née 499398, which stops everyone from stabilising because you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2014-06-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 30 May 2014 23:07:55 +0100 Markos Chandras wrote: > On 05/28/2014 09:32 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > > Perhaps it makes more sense to disband the herd and put all packages > > except the ones you use up for grabs? > I suppose so. Let me have a look and see how many packages belong to > t

Re: [gentoo-dev] alpha, ia64, ppc, ppc64, sparc developers, need your attention

2014-06-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:33:22 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > This makes me wonder about the real status of some of this arches. I > know that now we will probably see how Agostino goes ahead and does > all the work (that is nice and I really welcome his work trying to > keep this arches in shape), but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Anyone with access to genkernel repository? Or should genkernel be p.masked on amd64 profiles?

2014-06-03 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 30 May 2014 19:17:31 +0200 Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2014 18:14:11 +0100 > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > A more reasonable approach would be for the Council to permit the > > tree to contain at most 6 wrong lines at any given time. That way > > any developer wishing to add a new w

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower

2014-06-04 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 07:29:17 +0300 Samuli Suominen wrote: > > On 04/06/14 07:11, Samuli Suominen wrote: > > I'm just expecting more from our users. I don't think the news items > > were ever designed for simplistic things like this. > > As in, GLEP 42 Critical News Item != Learning tool for und

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-07 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:35:04 -0500 Daniel Campbell wrote: > > [2]: Overview of bugs that involve OpenRC, most for the package > > itself. https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=openrc > I think working on OpenRC would be a great learning experience for me > and would be a great opportu

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-08 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 03:05:28 +0200 Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 07/06/14 23:08, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > You can start fixing bugs immediately. You can check out the > > sources, write patches and attach the patches to the bug reports. > > Then all it takes is someone

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-08 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 14:41:04 + hasufell wrote: > The amount of contributors (with real patches and real ebuilds) is > constantly decreasing, As evidenced where exactly? > because our workflow is horrible. I hope you > don't actually think that bugzilla is an appropriate review platform. A

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2014-06-09 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 21:34:06 +0400 Mikle Kolyada wrote: > > app-admin/389-admin-console > > app-admin/389-console > > app-admin/389-ds-console > > app-admin/aws-as-tools > > app-admin/aws-elb-tools > > app-admin/aws-iam-tools > > app-admin/aws-rds-tools > > app-emulation/edumips64 > > dev-java/id

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-09 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 18:16:02 -0600 Ryan Hill wrote: > Beginning with GCC 4.8.3, Stack Smashing Protection (SSP) will be > enabled by default.[..] .. on supported architectures. Right? jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-10 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:46:56 -0600 Ryan Hill wrote: > Yes. But now you've got me worried. We have to build gcc itself with > -fno-stack-protector. Does compiling something with that flag give > an error on hppa? Maybe give 4.8.2-r1 a whirl. Setting -fstack-protector on HPPA does this: warnin

Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project

2014-06-10 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:39:30 +0400 Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 23:08:15 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > On Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:35:04 -0500 > > Daniel Campbell wrote: > > > > > > [2]: Overview of bugs that involve OpenRC, most for

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:47:50 -0600 Ryan Hill wrote: > v2: Restrict by arch > -- > > Title: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector > Author: Ryan Hill > Content-Type: text/plain > Posted: 2014-06-10 > Revision: 1 > News-Item-Format: 1.0 > Display-If-Installed: >=sys-devel/gcc-4.8.3 > Display-If

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-13 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 23:43:55 -0600 Ryan Hill wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:23:15 +0200 > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > Will bug #332823 and its ilk somehow be mitigated? Emerging glibc > > with -fstack-protector still leads to similar problems. There > > doesn&#

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in games-strategy/openxcom: openxcom-1.0.0.ebuild metadata.xml Manifest ChangeLog

2014-06-14 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 03:50:06 +0700 "Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov" wrote: > You're right in all remarks, but Maxim is just proxy here. And that's where the whole proxy maintainership falls down, isn't it? The committer should check for and take responsibility for any QA issues that may arise.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in games-strategy/openxcom: openxcom-1.0.0.ebuild metadata.xml Manifest ChangeLog

2014-06-14 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 19:17:49 -0400 Rich Freeman wrote: > Sure, those who commit are responsible for QA, but in general we > should be going easy on them, especially for minor stuff. Nobody was going hard on anyone. hasufell replied to an automated e-mail, blaming no one in particular for a few i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: crossdev and multilib interference

2014-06-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:31:58 + hasufell wrote: > Also check the history of this thread for a few proposed solutions. The history of this thread and the history of gx86-multilib and crossdev development suggest that crossdev was doing nothing wrong until gx86-multilib came around and a proble

Re: [gentoo-dev] crossdev and multilib interference

2014-06-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:27:19 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 16/06/14 04:05 PM, Joshua Kinard wrote: > > On 06/16/2014 15:47, hasufell wrote: > >> So I don't see what else we can do here other than taking more > >> radical steps to INFORM

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] qt4-r2.eclass: simplify doc handling

2014-06-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 01:25:03 + hasufell wrote: > Sergey Popov: > > As we should not do anything crazy with DOCS and HTML_DOCS, let's > > simplify our eclass > > > > Just deprecate the whole eclass. I don't see much useful stuff there You have got to be kidding. jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] qt4-r2.eclass: simplify doc handling

2014-06-18 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 23:43:34 +0400 Sergey Popov wrote: > As we should not do anything crazy with DOCS and HTML_DOCS, let's > simplify our eclass Looks good. What ebuilds would be affected (i.e. simplifying them)? jer

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