Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages of for grabs

2007-08-29 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:41:07 +0200 Christian Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > net-mon: > - net-analyzer/ifstat (gustavoz) Joink! Kind regards, JeR -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages UP for grabs

2007-08-31 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:46:39 +0200 Alexis Ballier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > video: > > - media-video/qc-usb (liquidx) > > wouldn't tv be better suited here ? Only if you point your qc-usb at your tv. :) Kind regards, JeR -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-scheme/bigloo: ChangeLog bigloo-3.0b_p2.ebuild

2007-09-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:01:33 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can someone put something in the dev guide about this? I was > looking for exactly this answer a week or so ago and couldn't find > anything. ;) Maybe it's a clue that [1] does /not/ mention FEATURES as a variable to be us

Re: [gentoo-dev] new-style virtual/editor

2007-10-05 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:18:11 -0400 Olivier Crête <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see that both sudo and fcron, while they have some versions that > depend on virtual/editor actually hardcode nano as the default. For the fcron dependency, see https://bugs.gentoo.org/149376#c15 and onward. Kind re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular texlive eclasses up for review

2007-10-08 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 01:03:17 +0200 Alexis Ballier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi list, A bit of documentation for the (exported) functions would be nice. And maybe some "red tape" to show where the exported bits end/start. And short bits of text explaining why some of the variables are needed

Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman - I cannot handle it...

2007-10-20 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:45:49 +0200 Markus Rothe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello fellow developers, > > I have a problem with repoman. You have a problem with your scripts. I must admit that in keywording for hppa I do use bash aliases and scripts as helpers but nothing too fancy, let alone au

Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman - I cannot handle it...

2007-10-21 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:06:25 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:55:42 +0200 > Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Paludis has adjutrix --what-needs-keywording already... Might be a > good starting point... I don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: modplug

2007-11-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:32:34 +0200 Samuli Suominen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to add USE modplug to use.desc. I'll do it tomorrow, > unless someone objects. Remember that tomorrow is always too soon in projects like Gentoo. :) $ euses -s mod fmod modplug media-video/vlc:mod - Enables M

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: modplug

2007-11-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:40:40 +0100 "Marijn Schouten (hkBst)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another prime example for use flags with more than two values: > > mod=off > mod=fmod > mod=libmodplug > > the first for disabling mod support, the second for enabling it and > preferring fmod implementatio

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI feature suggestion: OBSOLETES (was: gentoo-x86 commit in profiles/updates: 4Q-2007)

2007-11-07 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:23:35 -0500 Jim Ramsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whether or not 'move' was the correct action in the recent compiz > example, perhaps we need to consider that some times one package does > actually make another obsolete. The correct thing for the PM to > do is to first uni

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: eselect_zenity: alpha eselect GUI

2007-11-13 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:13:52 -0500 Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mind taking this off list? As much fun as it is to see two people > run around in circles blindfolded with pointy sticks, It really > doesn't belong here. Would you mind not needlessly quoting ~9KB of text, next time? Thanks! :)

Re: [gentoo-dev] New USE flags documentation

2007-11-24 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:10:58 +0100 Thilo Bangert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the idea is really great > > [...] > > now this needs to be [...] made mandatory for all ebuilds. Uh, what? Why? If the idea is that great, then why does it need to be mandatory? Kind regards, JeR -- [EMAIL P

Re: [gentoo-dev] OT: Request to participate in a survey for a doctoral thesis about Project Communities

2007-12-05 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:08:32 -0500 Philip Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 071205 Marius Mauch wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 Bj?rn Benz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> http://dissertation.bjoern-benz.de/output/project_community/ > > b) the page doesn't load for me, seems to be a redirection loop >

Re: [gentoo-dev] The return of the old fart: Mark Loeser (halcy0n)

2007-12-14 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:00:19 +0200 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have an early Christmas present for all of you. Mark "halcy0n" > Loeser is returning [...] Hurrah! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-17 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:20:01 +0100 Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > attaching the GLEP. How does this chord with eclasses that set EAPI, instead of ebuilds? Last I read was that EAPI-set-by-eclass was close to being ratified. Kind regards, JeR -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-17 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 04:46:35 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:41:45 +0100 > Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How does this chord with eclasses that set EAPI, instead of ebuilds? > > Last I read was that EAPI-se

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-17 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:27:02 +0100 Jeroen Roovers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On this mailing list, in the "EAPI placement" thread. OK, it would seem that discussion has now died in favour of forbidding eclasses setting EAPI altogether. But now, if pkg-5.ebuild-zillion

Re: [gentoo-dev] [GLEP] Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)

2007-12-21 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:34:17 +0100 Piotr Jaroszyński <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 20 of December 2007 19:29:22 Zhang Le wrote: > > So please make those people understand, so they can comment > > usefully. > > Are we in the elementary school or something? Yes, for all intents and pur

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer : Richard Freeman (rich0)

2007-12-23 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:19:30 +0100 "Denis Dupeyron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So please everybody, give a warm welcome to Richard. Welcome, Richard! JeR -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2008-01-10 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:08:46 + Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the mean time, I'll just say that if you don't drop the personal > attacks and apologise, I'll have no choice but to take it up with > devrel. s|devrel|userrel| Thanks, JeR -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] Available hardware

2008-01-15 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:25:21 -0800 Daniel Ostrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If anyone is interested contact me off list. I live in northern > California for shipping reference. That counts all Europeans out, I guess. Shipping is horrendous across the Pond, even to the UK, let alone the hop acro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: I want to steal your tools

2008-02-04 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:21:14 -0600 Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also very good, thanks. Instead of sourcing, we can instead use > > $ portageq envvar PORTDIR Or simply `portageq portdir'... > $ portageq portdir_overlay I remember reading you wanted a program that did the job *fast*.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March

2008-03-06 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On 01 Mar 2008 05:30:01 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically > the 2nd Thursday at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel > (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! > > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, m

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March

2008-03-06 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:41:12 +0200 Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jeroen Roovers kirjoitti: > > On 01 Mar 2008 05:30:01 > > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typicall

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Qt3 deprecation

2009-09-01 Thread Jeroen Roovers
Qt3 deprecation is now tracked in bug #283429 [1] Regards, jer [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/283429

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: USE=qa-test

2009-10-07 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:38:18 -0600 Ryan Hill wrote: > Some packages, like dbus[1], have testing features that, while useful > for developers and arch-testers, aren't something that should be > foisted on users. Dbus' case is extreme, as it builds-in functions > that are useful for unit testing, b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: gentoo-x86 commit in net-mail/getmail: ChangeLog getmail-4.9.2.ebuild

2009-10-13 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:22:13 +0200 Fabian Groffen wrote: > We are working on a proper explanation targetted to devs of this. I'm > sorry for the inconvenience caused. How large of a change to the tree will this involve? Is it a small number of packages that need to be fixed through the ebuilds

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree

2009-10-13 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:33:35 -0400 Mark Loeser wrote: > I'd say this isn't correct. Unstable isn't a pure testing playground. > its meant for packages that should be considered for stable. I happen to disagree. Since the advent of outside overlays and layman, we've seen many more bugs that only

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Splitting desktop profile to KDE and GNOME

2009-10-25 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:00:03 -0500 Jeremy Olexa wrote: > Just so it is clear and there aren't any questions in the future. The > XFCE team maintains a set of recommended global use flags in our > docs[1] (maintained by Josh (nightmorph)). So, whatever direction > this ends up, xfce will not be g

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA: package.mask policies

2009-11-08 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:24:10 +0100 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > * Masking beta... > This masks are good if the software release is KNOWN to break > previous behaviour or degrade user experience. Otherwise the software > should not be masked (its TESTING for purpose, not stable). > Also the maintainer sh

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA: package.mask policies

2009-11-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 18:20:00 +0100 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > But if we look on tag of screen-4.0.3 or its release: > screen-4.0.2.tar.gz27-Jan-2004 05:46 821K > screen-4.0.2.tar.gz.sig27-Jan-2004 05:47 65 > screen-4.0.3.tar.gz07-Aug-2008 06:30 821K > screen-4.0.3.ta

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: QA: package.mask policies

2009-11-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:11:37 +0100 Torsten Veller wrote: > > Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > > > But if we look on tag of screen-4.0.3 or its release: > > > screen-4.0.3.tar.gz07-Aug-2008 06:30 821K > > > screen-4.0.3.tar.gz.sig07-Aug-2008 06:30 65 > > *screen-4.0.3 (25 Oct 2006) >

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Referendum on Gentoo Foundation Inc. accepting advertising from major Gentoo Users

2009-12-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
Neither the ballot nor the announcement contains the actual question that is to be voted on. In the case of the announcement the problem isn't as huge as with the ballot, so the latter should be fixed soon, I guess. Roy's message does mention the actual question (and I must say that it's rather va

Re: [gentoo-dev] metdata.dtd should require

2009-12-24 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:37:26 -0500 Richard Freeman wrote: > I think we should definitely have some way of designating which > should be the contact for bugs. I've had some bugs sit around for a > while without being noticed because they were assigned to the herd > the package is in, and not to m

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA last rites for media-gfx/viewer

2009-12-26 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:29:39 +0100 Diego E. Pettenò wrote: > > # Diego E. Pettenò (24 Dec 2009) > # on behalf of QA team > # > # Fails to build if /usr/X11R6 is not present (bug #247737, > # open November 2008). > # > # Removal on 2010-02-22 > media-gfx/viewer Oh, I fixed it in under five min

Re: [gentoo-dev] Non-free software in Gentoo

2009-12-28 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:36:34 -0500 Vincent Launchbury wrote: > Also relating to this, what is freedist? The package app-text/dos2unix > lists 'freedist' as its license, and /usr/portage/licenses/freedist > says only "Freely Distributable". Several other packages do this, and > I'm sure it's not c

Re: [gentoo-dev] x11-libs/lib*: wrong RDEPENDs bug

2009-12-28 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:10:48 +0100 (CET) lx...@gentoo.org wrote: > let's discuss concerns here (actually I don't see any and I am > willing to fix all the ebuilds and close all my bugs if you ack). If they are genuine bugs, then there isn't anything to discuss. > List of Gentoo bugs: Tracker bu

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA last rites for media-gfx/viewer

2010-01-05 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 01:33:42 +0100 Thilo Bangert wrote: > Jeroen Roovers said: > [snip] > > Feel free to > > CC me on bugs related to this package if you find any more pressing > > issues. > > the standard way of indicating such an interest is to add yourself t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Documentation licenses and license_groups

2010-01-05 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:00:57 -0500 Vincent Launchbury wrote: > But isn't this a problem with GPL-2 and 3 also? The term > GPL-compatible is too vague--which version is it referring to? For > example, see http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/ again: > >Please note that GPLv2 is, by itself, n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Documentation licenses and license_groups

2010-01-05 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:00:57 -0500 Vincent Launchbury wrote: > Duncan wrote: > > Quickly checking wikipedia (without verifying further), I'm probably > > thinking about a different license, but I had it in my head that > > GPLv1 had a "no commercial use" clause (or allowed it), and that is > > wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:31:08 -0500 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 11 January 2010 16:05:16 Markos Chandras wrote: > > # Markos Chandras (11 Jan 2010) > > # Fails with -Wl,--as-needed > > # bug #182782. Removal in 30 days > > net-nntp/inn > > is as-needed support really a valid reason for pun

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:30:24 +0100 Arnaud Launay wrote: > But, if I understand this announce correctly, the complete inn > port will be dropped to oblivion. Yes, and that shouldn't (and won't) happen. > Wouldn't it be better to stabilize inn 2.5 (there's even a 2.5.1 > release out there, with a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:02:14 +0100 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > I'm working on getting 2.5.1 in the tree (and fixing a USE=python and > some other issues while I'm at it). net-nntp/inn-2.5.1 is in the tree and fixes many (QA) issues. Please track bug #300650 [1] if you want to stay

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:32:06 +0200 Markos Chandras wrote: > Thanks for saving this package. As Jeremy said, there is absolutely > no way to measure the popularity of a package. So if it has no > maintainer, and open bugs we have to mask it and announce it here. It > is up to you whether you want

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:51:28 +0100 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > > you need to fix your filter then. an "open bug" is not an > > acceptable reason for masking a package. if you're going to clean > > a package, you need to research actual reasons to mask & punt. > > -mike > Dont be joking, > Your appro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:37:19 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > So going with this idea... Isn't the treecleaner masking 30-day at > present? What about extending that just a bit, to 5 weeks total, > while reducing the actual masking to 4 weeks, with the extra week a > wait time

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Last rites: net-nntp/inn

2010-01-12 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:18:59 +0100 Arnaud Launay wrote: > I have absolutely no idea how much work it requires, so I won't > complain if TC says it's too complicated/unpratical/etc. rm -r * is easy. > BTW, I have no knowledge of the concept of proxy-maintainer, I'll > look at it tomorrow, it's 2

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: "X" vs "gtk" USE flags

2010-02-08 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:11:31 +0100 Christian Faulhammer wrote: > Your proposal does not look to appealing to me. What about people > trying to keep "pollution" down and avoid one or the other toolkit? Some packages don't use a USE flag to pull those in, since the toolkit dependency isn't optiona

[gentoo-dev] Developer Handbook should document how/when to touch arch profiles' files

2010-02-11 Thread Jeroen Roovers
As set out in bug #304435 [1], we should declare some policy about changes to arch profiles in devmanual or in the Developer Handbook. Basically, I would want to have this apply to arch profile changes as well: [5] http://devmanual.gentoo.org/keywording/index.html says: = Keywording on Upgr

[gentoo-dev] Check LICENSE and SRC_URI changes when bumping GNU packages

2010-02-24 Thread Jeroen Roovers
Hello package maintainers, most of the GNU packages had their LICENSE updated to GPL-3 along with some minor bug fixes or even just documentation changes in recent times. Please do check the LICENSE and adjust it if needed. Oh, and one other thing. Attached is a list of ebuild that use ftp.

[gentoo-dev] Proposed change to savedconfig.eclass

2010-02-24 Thread Jeroen Roovers
Hello developers, this has annoyed me for a long time. restore_config() dies when it cannot find a saved config file, while later on in any ebuild that uses savedconfig.eclass, it will save the config file anyhow. That means it will not use an edited saved config file during the first emerge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Check LICENSE and SRC_URI changes when bumping GNU packages

2010-02-24 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:47:55 +0100 Ulrich Mueller wrote: > >>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > Attached is a list of ebuild that use ftp.gnu.org instead of > > mirror://gnu in their SRC_URI. Please make the switch. Maybe this > > should

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category for version control

2010-03-04 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:35:28 + Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > And this is why the move wasn't done five years ago: by the time we'd > worked out everything we'd need to do by hand because epkgmove was > broken, the whole thing got bikeshedded to death. https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56967

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving packages to dev-vcs

2010-03-05 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:08:06 +0100 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > 4. Notify > = > - Report back problems with this process > > - Mail fellow maintainers of dev-util/${PN} about the move > > - If ${PN} is a big one (Subversion, Git, you know the list) > - Update documentation (now or open

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposed change to savedconfig.eclass

2010-03-07 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:39:32 -0500 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday 24 February 2010 12:03:16 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > If no one objects, I will look forward to committing the patch in a > > week or two. > > commit it already :p Thanks for the reminder. In the same

Re: [gentoo-dev] Low hanging bug fruit patterns

2010-03-08 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:13:30 +0100 Róbert Čerňanský wrote: > - Minor version bumps (After examination what upstream changed and > after confirmation with mantainer, if any.) The stuff you put in brackets is exactly the sort of stuff that tends to make version bumps hard to fix. You would firs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

2010-03-10 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:42:43 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at > least if they want calendar access? > > What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them > with search and the web crawling and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Handling of keywording bugs with only one arch

2010-04-01 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:07:26 +0200 Petteri Räty wrote: > On 03/27/2010 04:51 PM, Alex Alexander wrote: > > > > The only reason I don't really like this is because it breaks > > consistency. We have a ground rule, assign to maintainer, CC > > arch(es). Why make it more complicated? I have a feeli

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Disabling some of our Mail Lists

2010-04-22 Thread Jeroen Roovers
> > IIRC, this list was created to promote a way for developers to > > discuss Developer Relations policies. > > Even though this is likely to be most of the time a low traffic > > list, I think it still has merit - unless we chose to promote such > > discussions on a different "forum". > Yes but w

Re: [gentoo-dev] bug wrangler queue is large...

2010-05-25 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 25 May 2010 14:24:05 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 18 May 2010 02:02:01 Andreas K. Huettel wrote: > > could you please help the poor bug wranglers a bit?! The queue has > > reached 170 unassigned bugs... > > people dont seem to realize that bug-wranglers isnt just for > re-ass

Re: [gentoo-dev] bug wrangler queue is large...

2010-05-25 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 25 May 2010 20:46:01 +0200 Matti Bickel wrote: > On 05/25/2010 08:24 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > they are supposed to be doing basic triage, user feedback > > Can you be more specific? I wrangle bugs when there's a need and I'd > like to hear what maintainers want to see on a bug assig

Re: [gentoo-dev] bug wrangler queue is large...

2010-05-25 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 25 May 2010 22:08:55 +0200 Harald van Dijk wrote: > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 03:33:33PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Tuesday 25 May 2010 14:46:01 Matti Bickel wrote: > > > I wrangle bugs when there's a need and I'd > > > like to hear what maintainers want to see on a bug assigned to

Re: [gentoo-dev] bug wrangler queue is large...

2010-05-25 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 25 May 2010 23:40:44 +0200 Harald van Dijk wrote: > Yes, people like myself who don't normally wrangle bugs but try to > help out occasionally. I'm not really interested in receiving all bug > wrangler e-mails. Nobody should be required to read all that crap. :) jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] bug wrangler queue is large...

2010-05-25 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 26 May 2010 05:02:10 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/bug-wranglers/index.xml > > If you find that you can't do that, then we should be sorry for the > maintainers. Bug wrangling is the most unthankful job you can > voluntarily perform,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: bug wrangler queue is large...

2010-05-26 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 26 May 2010 09:27:08 + (UTC) Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > I've often wished there was a way to flag a bug as "I'm not thru > messing with it yet, don't mail anyone yet." That's especially true > when I know I'm going to be attaching 2-3 addition files, emerge > --info, build

Re: Notify people about empty herds (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] FTR: media-opti...@g.o has no developers)

2010-06-03 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:44:10 +0300 Markos Chandras wrote: > all the gnome-* herds look obsolete to me. It should be like kde and > use only one alias. Further more the comm-fax could be merged with a > net-* alias, and all the desktop-* could be merged in one herd. The > dev-embedded could be mer

Re: Notify people about empty herds (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] FTR: media-opti...@g.o has no developers)

2010-06-03 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:35:04 +0200 Ben de Groot wrote: > Also, there are herds that have several members, but none of them is > really active (games, most of the desktop-* herds, etc.). This also > leads to users being discouraged because the bugs they file are left > ignored. > > This needs a st

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: changing the developer profile: FEATURES="test" -> FEATURES="test-fail-continue"

2010-06-04 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:11:45 +0200 "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > What do you think about doing the following change in > /usr/portage/profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults: [..] > What do you think? I've never felt any need or obligation to use a developer profile. I don't think I ever saw a

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: changing the developer profile: FEATURES="test" -> FEATURES="test-fail-continue"

2010-06-04 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:48:38 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > [1] I've seen developers complain more and more about failing test > suites. Maybe that's a related issue? Developers now use the > FEATURES set out in a developer profile and can then extract some > kind of validi

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: changing the developer profile: FEATURES="test" -> FEATURES="test-fail-continue"

2010-06-07 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:10:04 +0200 Thilo Bangert wrote: > i do agree, that all packages should build successfully including the > test phase. RESTRICTing the test and an open bug when this is not the > case. I see more and more calls for either 1) "fixing the test suite", as if that is suddenly n

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Packages up for grabs -- xmerlin, yoswink, chtekk, omp, tantive, mueli, bluebird, hncaldwell, caleb

2010-06-08 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:14:07 +0200 José María Alonso wrote: > I would be very pleased to maintain this package: > > > app-doc/repodoc > Is there any chance I can maintain this package?. What do > I have to do?. You could provide unified patches to the ebuilds to fix the four outstanding bugs[1

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in dev-python/traits: traits-3.4.0.ebuild

2010-06-12 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:25:48 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > If a change in EAPI doesn't require any other changes in ebuild, then > it's a trivial change. Trivial is when you fix spelling in text sent to stdout/stderr or change the text of a comment. Any change to code, inclu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-13 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:29:19 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > El dom, 13-06-2010 a las 14:43 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: > > El dom, 13-06-2010 a las 14:16 +0300, Petteri Räty escribió: > > > On 06/11/2010 12:27 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From my point of view, I would prefer to: >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-14 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 10:08:58 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > The problem is that, at least regarding gnome related bugs, there are > a lot of keywords dropped for your arch that could be prevented > use.masking an USE, like, for example, dev-util/anjuta-2.28*, that is > causing us to preserve and old

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-15 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. > > As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the > atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. That's a conclusion first, then a premise? > I have searched a fe

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:36:31 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > Those replies are a good example of the rude behavior the poster is > referring to. The replies consisted of sarcastic questions in > "you're an idiot" style. The only thing they do is trying to trigger > a hostile response from the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 00:14:28 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 06/16/10 07:43, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > That's a conclusion first, then a premise? > > "Tone is not a strength of Gentoo" is my own obserservation. > Please be more verbose - I fail to understan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:39:01 -0400 Joseph Jezak wrote: > Your preferred method is exactly how (as a ppc keyworder) I like to > see these kind of bugs handled. Dropping keywords makes an awful lot > more work for us and hurts our users, especially since we're not > always very prompt at handling b

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] toolchain-funcs.eclass: functions to call compiler

2010-06-16 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 01:41:00 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote: > there are implicit rules for generating archives, but iirc, they dont > work in parallel. The buggy[1] implicit make rule generates parallel calls to ar(1) for each file to add, instead of doing the obvious and calling ar once with multip

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-17 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:20:34 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 06/17/10 05:24, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > Well, apart from explaining technical stuff[1] as in the example > > above, we could obviously explain how our developers work, how much > > most of them get payed f

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion related with dropping keywords policy

2010-06-17 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:04:42 +0200 Pacho Ramos wrote: > In that case, could you then consider to un-CC from keywording bugs > hppa team is not willing to fix? I think it would help a lot to > "clean" the tree of old versions that are been kept as it's the inly > keyworded on hppa Sounds like a p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo

2010-06-17 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:29:13 +0100 Roy Bamford wrote: > > "Have you pointed this out to DevRel? What was their reaction?" > > > > does not seem to have this mis-hearing problem, at least not to me. > > > Hmm - thats interesting, I subconsciously read the two questions into > the one posted.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposing fundamental changes to DevRel

2010-06-17 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:47:34 +0100 Roy Bamford wrote: > I'm against this idea - conflict resolution, I prefer the term > mediation, is not something that the typical Gentoo developer is very > good at. For sure, they have been involved in conflicts themselves > but rarely, if ever, as a mediato

Re: [gentoo-dev] council manifesto for ferringb

2010-06-23 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 07:31:07 +0200 "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > I'd rather have git soon with longer, but acceptable outage, than in > the future, with a very small outage. I'd like some documentation to be finished before the switch is made. I have no idea how to commit patches using git yet, l

Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy for late/slow stabilizations

2010-06-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:47:49 -0400 Olivier Crête wrote: > I'd propose waiting a bit longer than 30 days.. Maybe 90 days, and > then just drop the old ebuild. These arches will slowly lose stable > keywords until their stable tree gets to a size that they can manage. > And everyone will be winners

Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding --as-needed to LDFLAGS in profiles/default/linux/make.defaults

2010-06-28 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:05:19 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > You appear to be assuming that those pushing the --as-needed solution > have it finished. This is far from the case. There's still a lot of > work that would need to be done, and that work will have to be carried > on by every developer

[gentoo-dev] Re: devmanual change notification, was: eqawarn for main tree

2010-07-05 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 14:19:30 -0400 Mark Loeser wrote: > Could you please give a description as to when you believe this > function should be used. Preferably as a patch for devmanual :) Devmanual gets patched? No seriously - I guess mail to dev-announce@ would be nice in case of changes to devma

Re: [gentoo-dev] Minor changes in python.eclass and distutils.eclass

2010-07-05 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:50:56 + "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote: > I'm not going to delve into the details that have been addressed all > other this thread. Instead I'll just address one small issue. > The use of *minor* in the title of this thread and the sheer size of > the patch attached

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: bug wrangler queue is large...

2010-07-19 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:50:00 +0300 Markos Chandras wrote: > The queue is almost 100 bugs long again. We could really use some > help here. Thanks Down to 7 now. jer

[gentoo-dev] Two herds (and four extra?)

2010-07-21 Thread Jeroen Roovers
This is madness, people. Two herds and four separately mentioned developers? Why don't you join a herd? Go on, it's fun and you don't have to be alone! jer gentoo-x86/sys-kernel/hardened-sources $ cat metadata.xml http://www.gentoo.org/dtd/metadata.dtd";> kernel hardened

Re: [gentoo-dev] Two herds (and four extra?)

2010-07-21 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:36:26 +0100 "Tony \"Chainsaw\" Vroon" wrote: > This was originally done because we were bypassing a herd (lead) in > getting our updates in. Toning it down is not a problem, would just > blueness in the list address your concerns? Current b-w policy is to assign to the fir

Re: [gentoo-dev] Two herds (and four extra?)

2010-07-21 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:44:48 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > I would prefer the bugs be assigned to hardened-ker...@gentoo.org and > cc'ed to harde...@gentoo.org. All relevant devs should be on one or > the other list. However, I am currently the principle maintainer of > h-s. You really do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Two herds (and four extra?)

2010-07-22 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:13:44 -0400 "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/21/2010 12:11 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > = Alternative A = * first maintainer from the top down gets to be > > assignee, * otherwise

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item announcing as-needed (glep 42 stuff)

2010-07-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:29:06 +0200 Tomáš Chvátal wrote: Is it time yet? I still find a lot of packages that do not even respect LDFLAGS yet - when all these get fixed to respect LDFLAGS, we will probably find yet more packages that are problematic with --as-needed. jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item announcing as-needed (glep 42 stuff)

2010-07-27 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:41:36 -0700 "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > On 7/27/10 7:39 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:29:06 +0200 > > Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > > > > Is it time yet? I still find a lot of packages that do not even > > res

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lib_users, a post-upgrade helper

2010-07-28 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:38:12 +0200 Tobias Klausmann wrote: > To make a long posting boring: I've hacked up a Python script > that does all that and prints out a nice summary. It's available > from here: > > http://schwarzvogel.de/software-misc.shtml > > Or, for those who want to go to the tgz d

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lib_users, a post-upgrade helper

2010-07-28 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:53:01 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:38:12 +0200 > Tobias Klausmann wrote: > > > To make a long posting boring: I've hacked up a Python script > > that does all that and prints out a nice summary. It's availab

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lib_users, a post-upgrade helper

2010-07-28 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:23:55 +0200 Tobias Klausmann wrote: > While that approach has the advantage of not only catching mapped > files but every open FD, I am thinking about implementing something > similar with lib_users (but using /proc//fd/). The great advantage would be that it also discover

Re: [gentoo-dev] Locale check in python_pkg_setup()

2010-08-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:18:59 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > A milder warning will be printed. I distinctly remember several voices being raised in this thread very recently, suggesting if not demanding that you should not convey a message like that at all, but fix the affected

Re: [gentoo-dev] Locale check in python_pkg_setup()

2010-08-02 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:18:59 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > + ewarn "exceptions. It is recommended to use a UTF-8 > locale to avoid problems." > + ewarn "See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml > for information on how to change locale." In fact the

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