a way we could somehow ensure that a USE flag is never set
globally, but only on a per-package basis?
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
Am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017, 19:08:05 CET schrieb Walter Dnes:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 05:15:25PM +0100, Jan Stary wrote
>
> > On Jan 11 13:34:09, sven.e...@gmx.de wrote:
> > > Am Dienstag, 10. Januar 2017, 13:36:15 CET schrieb Jan Stary:
> > > > > You arguing that 40MB is nothing on modern s
Am Dienstag, 10. Januar 2017, 13:36:15 CET schrieb Jan Stary:
> > You arguing that 40MB is nothing on modern systems (which, by the way is
> > not exactly true, talking about embedded ones).
>
> Can you gove an example of an embedded system with manpages?
My Raspberry Pi 3.
m standard that says
> how to do these things?
Yes, wouldn't the Docker project be happy to take on a patch that uses
gethostname() or so?
Wkr,
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work in the previous documentation system – but in reality I am not a
> developer at all. Nowadays, with the new wiki – which I can see grow
> and improve day after day – it is no longer necessary for people like me
> become a developer.
>
> At the beginning I could get a friendly
Am Donnerstag, 18. Februar 2016, 09:37:28 CET schrieb David Seifert:
> On Do, 2016-02-18 at 09:29 +0100, Sven Eden wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 17. Februar 2016, 15:20:56 CET schrieb Justin Lecher
> >
> > (jlec):
> > > currently BOINC supposed to be maintained by
ay "seden" (via layman).
Feel free to use it. Works fine, at least on my system.
Cheers
Sven
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n which a certain
problem would already have been implemented. For instance, ebuilds with an
optional python part using the python-r1 eclass. Do you think it is
worthwhile to have a number of packages assigned as good examples?
Wkr,
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l we start depending on it (for
instance, when we would automate stuff based on the content of the commit
message).
Wkr,
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n the wiki as well which might best be aligned
with whatever recommendation is used. See "Beautiful bug reports" [2] and
"Bugzilla HOWTO" [3] as examples.
[2] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Beautiful_bug_reports
[3] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Bugzilla_HOWTO
Wkr,
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myself...
>
> You should have emphasized that the dependency will still be
> in RDEPEND. As I said with QA hat on, such a change is fine since it
> affects build-time dependencies only. People who installed the package
> already are not affected.
Thanks. I'll do the necessary updates tomorrow then (without revbump) and
invalidate
the bug reports I already made.
Wkr,
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s is to remove the USE="selinux"
specific dependency to a sec-policy/selinux-* package from the DEPEND
variable. So something like:
DEPEND="
foo
- bar
- selinux? ( sec-policy/selinux-bez )"
+ bar"
If I am allowed to do this change without revbumping, I can just stop making
massive bug reports and do the change(s) myself...
Someone? Pretty-please?
Wkr,
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themselves (for functional and other reasons) and
the bugs (with tracker) allow developers to not forget this.
Is this a good approach to take?
Happy to hear your thoughts on this,
Sven Vermeulen
hould be focused on trying to think about how to
>standardize a way for distinguish between revision bumps needing full
>rebuild or only VDB updates :|
As someone who regularly adds in dependencies without bumping (adding
USE=selinux dependencies to the proper SELinux policy) because that would
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:13:12AM +0200, Michał Górny wrote:
> Hi, developers and users.
[...]
> Thank you for your cooperation. If you have any questions, please do
> not hesitate to ask.
Hi Michał
Thank you for your endless effort to get Gentoo to this stage (and further).
Wkr,
;s still goes well.
The last Dracut generated initramfs also failed on SELinux systems, but that
isn't something that cannot be worked around...
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
; So the question is, what would you think about such a policy in Gentoo?
I'm in favor. It shouldn't be used as *the* check to make sure that an
account is a functional (non-interactive/daemon) account (for that there is
also the user id range and so on) but for visibility it's definitely worth
persuing.
Wkr,
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er doesn't seem to perform
anything cryptographic-related.
So - is app-misc ok?
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
dd
> a new virtual function to a base class in .) This is why C++11
> support is still labelled "experimental", because it would be worse to claim
> it's stable and then have to break the ABI.
So basically C++11 <-> C++03 is no problem at all (unless you *export* ce
=c++11" the default, and only
override this for packages that do fishy stuff and break with it.
But of course this must be tested thoroughly first. I have some extra time to
spare in the first three weeks of january, and I've already planned to do an
'emerge -e @world
on upstream was died while cronie forked it
> fixing some bugs :/
>
> What do you think?
I'm ok with it. At least cronie's main website is quick to find, and I
remember a bug I sent in to the cronie maintainers and got a fast reply, so
positive experience as well.
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
Am Montag, 4. November 2013, 12:55:45 schrieben Sie:
> Dnia 2013-11-04, o godz. 10:01:18
>
> Sven Eden napisał(a):
> > PyQt4 and synaptiks were only the messengers, btw.
> > dev-lang/python-exec-0. has the Targets pypy2_0 and python3_3 which
> > dev- lang/python-ex
Am Montag, 4. November 2013, 10:01:18 schrieb Sven Eden:
> Btw. Why does dev-python/python-exec:2 has a dependency on
> dev-python/python- exec:0 ?
Sorry, I meant: "Why does dev-python/python-exec:2 has a dependency on dev-
lang/python- exec:0 ?" of course.
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and dev-python/python-exec-1.2 want a dev-lang/python-exec:0 with the same
target setting.
Btw. Why does dev-python/python-exec:2 has a dependency on dev-python/python-
exec:0 ?
Cheers
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t suffer in many
places from the problems ustr solves.
Cheers
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Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:39:20 schrieb Ian Stakenvicius:
> On 25/09/13 11:27 AM, Sven Eden wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:05:24 schrieb Ian
> >
> > Stakenvicius:
> >> On 25/09/13 10:51 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> >>> On Wed,
id
it. Result: No initrd and one partition less to take care of. I have never had
any disadvantage by that merge over a year ago on all my machines. And then I
took a closer look at all servers (debian, ranging from Sarge over Lenny to
Squeeze) at my workplace, and none ever even had a separate /usr.
Cheers
Sven
(*): Like /usr over NFS
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r at minimum, I have a
> very good idea where it is once I hit it, because I have a good idea what
> changed and why.
Care to elaborate a small bit on this? Is this a hook through bashrc that
you use? I'm running a few - myself (not openrc though) and am
interested in doing something similar...
Wkr,
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e time of conversion the project sites
themselves are still available to consult).
I'll update the stylesheet with the suggested style improvements this evening.
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
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can help ;)
btw, the tool actually converts GuideXML, so I'll be updating it later on to
support better moves of our documentation as well.
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:04:04PM +0100, Markos Chandras wrote:
> I like the idea. It might help bring developers and users closer.
Me too, if I can ever contribute to it, or help users with their Gentoo
(Hardened/SELinux/IMA/EVM/...) through it, I'll be happy to work with it.
Wkr
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 02:15:29PM +0200, Alex Legler wrote:
> On 11.06.2013 13:05, Theo Chatzimichos wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:20:20 Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> >> "Jason A. Donenfeld" wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Alex Legler wro
"Jason A. Donenfeld" wrote:
>On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Alex Legler wrote:
>> - Projects: Use a GuideXML-to-Wikisyntax conversion tool to create an
>> initial wiki version of the document
>
>
>What is the current status of such a tool?
It is a script (xslt) that can be used with xsltpr
mit that change for me ? :)
>
> just add "cpe" between "cpan-module" and "cran" in the remote-id field.
Done
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
#x27;m not proposing this be required or
> anything (since not all packages will have one).
I'm all for it. We can then easily map CVEs against packages, especially if
the version structure we use in the ebuilds is the same one as used upstream
(so the remainder of the CPE with version can be easily obtained).
http://blog.siphos.be/2013/04/matching-packages-with-cves/
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:10:45AM +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> alsaconf should die as it's useful only for ISA/PCMCIA and currently broken
>
> see, http://bugs.gentoo.org/456214
>
> does anyone have problems with dropping alsaconf and patching the
> gentoo's alsa-guide.xml to tell users to e
egademo anyone? ;)) anyway.
Cheers
Sven
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> I'll summarize below.
Feels like I'm on reddit now...
Upvote for you for the explanation, and an upvote to Robin for implementing it
for
us!
Wkr,
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maintain them.
> >
> > app-portage/ufed
> >
>
> What did occur finally with them?
Hi all,
what has happened to app-portage/ufed?
I could take care of it. I am no official dev, but maybe via a proxy
maintainership? Would that be possible?
SIncerly
Sven
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Am Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2012, 12:43:55 schrieb Marcin Mirosław:
> W dniu 18.12.2012 12:13, Sven Eden pisze:
(snip, because this has nothing to do with the previous discussion.)
> >> On my 32-bit machines I have...
> >>
> >> FLAGS="-O2 -march=native -mfp
Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012, 11:48:12 schrieb Walter Dnes:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:37:27PM +0100, Sven Eden wrote
>
> > 1) --- kde-base/kate
> > -
> >
> > Compiled with -ggdb in CFLAGS:
> > # sum=0; for file in $(equery f
Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012, 11:47:24 schrieb Tomáš Chvátal:
> 2012/12/17 Sven Eden :
> > Hello Tomáš,
> >
> > on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS
> > use - march=native, -O2 and -ggdb.
> > And this is the result: (Yes, I hav
l
of 1,807 packages installed.
I guess the regular user would end up somewhere between your 2G and my 22G.
But I bet it will be slightly more likely my end, wouldn't it?
Sincerly
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ve that down into the chroot section, and mkdir /usr/portage
> if that is needed?
Crap. Indeed, section moved towards the place where we optionally recommend
"emerge --sync", and put in an mkdir /usr/portage.
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:44:31AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
> On 11/30/2012 06:46 AM, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> > On Nov 29, 2012 10:24 AM, "Markos Chandras" wrote:
> > > > We could slightly simplify the handbook installation procedure if we
> > > > told
On Nov 29, 2012 10:24 AM, "Markos Chandras" wrote:
> > We could slightly simplify the handbook installation procedure if we
> > told people to use emerge-webrsync to fetch the initial snapshot. What
> > do people think?
> >
>
> Seems a good improvement to me.
I'm ok with it as well. I'll draft up
need to know that a switch took place.
>
> 1) To a first approximation, nobody reads the documentation.
There sure are a lot of nobody's then...
Wkr,
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ed to describe both of the
locations for a while anyhow).
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
hus an /ad interim/ proxy docdev to help us to merge the
> patches for the documentation.
> Meanwhile, I could follow the procedure to become a docdev.
Hi Xavier,
You might want to take this to the gentoo-doc mailinglist. That being said,
I don't mind proxying commits for you guys. I&#
pd
selinux-tftpd
selinux-ucspi-tcp
selinux-courier-imap
selinux-gnupg
selinux-haveged
selinux-openldap
Wkr,
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from
the DTD so that new commits won't bring it in again.
Yours faithfully,
your local doc monkey
Sven Vermeulen
PS Sending to gentoo-dev because it also includes changes on the
xml/htdocs/proj/* documents.
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 08:56:22AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Do you really want to be advertising an awful hack that doesn't really
> work, is conceptually unsound and that breaks all kinds of things in
> subtle ways?
Isn't that something all major distributions do? ;-)
Sven
ment) for alternative / better partitioning layouts, and when that has
stabilized then we can talk about Handbook integration, not?
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
rchitecture. After a while, people start asking more information
for "just the necessary bits", making the guides longer and longer, after
which they'll eventually need to be made multi-page.
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
rg/doc/en/handbook/draft/complete/handbook.xml) but I've
since moved away from that. Perhaps I should work again on it...
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
to take into consideration what is needed (must) for a Gentoo
installation, what is seriously recommended (should), what is nice to have
(could), etc. And for me, having a separate /usr/portage is a nice-to-have
imo.
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
helping out here, I use nginx, privoxy, squid and apache on
a daily basis (albeit not to their full potential).
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
9
> Also, the handbook still endorses having a separate partition for /usr and
> includes it in the example setup. This should be changed now, not when
> stabilization time comes.
It's an example, and we still endorse it. Only will we now tell users to use
an initramfs with it.
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
ures (like additional grSecurity
restrictions or even SELinux) that makes Gentoo Hardened systems less
vulnerable to this specific vulnerability.
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 08:08:44PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > Or will /etc move to /usr too?
> >
> > No, /etc isn't going anywhere.
>
> Are you sure? I heard a rumour that systemd will soon require you to
> put /etc inside your initrd (since / can't be mounted without it).
> Obviously, y
king the next few days. Once (or when) it does, I'll
submit the necessary patches to wherever is necessary.
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
The first part is about getting a base system. The rest of the
handbook is to describe the Gentoo-specific administrative stuff.
Wkr,
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have it documented anyhow, and I already notice that many of the
features are already used in #gentoo or gentoo-user@g.o. But there's still a
difference between "not documenting" and putting it in the Gentoo Handbook.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
Wkr,
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the concepts underlying, etc.
>
> Short version: use dracut.
And how does dracut know which files it needs to mount my /usr?
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
ne, but also why it is
necessary, how to manage initramfs'es, the concepts underlying, etc.
Wkr,
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olve it.
> As said by other devs here, I also think it'd be more effective if you
> just do the change yourself. USE="selinux" doesn't affect anything else
> so it's safe.
Ok, no problem. I'll check on IRC regardless, if not just to give a "heads
up" on changes.
Also, my apologies for not sorting the list. Careful readers will notice it
is sorted, but by the package name, not category :/
Thanks you all for the feedback!
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
fficient due to binary package
support requirements.
Since there are quite a few packages that would need updates, I thought about
first mailing gentoo-dev for feedback and perhaps a first chunk of work done. I
also wouldn't mind creating bugreports for each of them, but that would still be
be
t need to reappear again ;-) If you think it is
still unclear or needs improvements left or right, don't hesitate to mail me
or, even better, file a bugreport (I act better on bug reports than on
e-mails).
Oh, and I use a separate /usr with no initramfs (yet), with software raid
and lvm2.
/me quickly hides
Wkr,
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of the FUD once and for all ;-)
Wkr,
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[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml
[2] http://dev.gentoo.org/~swift/docs/previews/gcc-upgrading.xml
Hi all,
For those using one of the SELinux profiles, sec-policy/selinux-mta will be
masked/removed as its policy is already part of selinux-base-policy
(and as such gives conflicts, cfr bug #384851).
Other people won't notice this as the package is already masked by default.
Wkr,
ed recently (last few days) so they should
be okay now. However, some good reviews never hurt.
If you do still find issues, don't hesitate to create a bugreport for it.
Wkr,
Sven Vermeulen
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 07:42:29PM -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 10:06:48PM +0200, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> > That said, I'm a bit hesitant to describing that we "recommend" it
> > regardless of the situation. What is wrong with describing when?
in other locations, like /usr and /var.
How does the tool that creates an initramfs know which files to copy from
/usr and /var anyhow?
Also, how well does this play with all our profiles (so not only the popular
architectures)? What about SELinux and/or grSecurity's RBAC model? Are these
tramfs and work from there?
I personally have /usr on a separate partition too (using LVM) without an
initramfs or initrd. Works just fine. And I'd like to keep it that way,
since it is simple and very manageable.
Wkr,
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nly hours, Ruby devs
would rather use the RubyGems manager than waiting for the ebuild to appear.
-sven
ful reply.)
Cheers, -sven
d acceptable to expand Portage by the possibility to declare a file
shared between slots and only delete it once the last slot is uninstalled?
Thanks for some feedback on this!
-sven
package and gems would enable (symlink to wrapper)
themselves at
postinst. I'm an eselect n00b but this all sound like something an
eselect module could do.
The wrappers can't be boiled down to one unified wrapper.
Cheers, -sven
nal package managers to the main package manager through
some
interface (a bit like pkgkit)? What about eix support?
I wouldn't be happy about such a solution. This "assimilation" sounds
like trouble and the current co-existence works quite well in most
cases.
-sven
sions, you get a shitload of ebuilds to
host and sync.
RubyGems does a very good job dealing with versions and dependencies,
so it's IMHO a good idea not to delegate this to Portage unless
absolutely necessary. We better find a way for Portage and RubyGems to
work hand in hand.
What do you think?
-sven
d upon the Software.
The rest of the paragraph is about obtaining (or trying to obtain) its
source code or application behavior, i.e. learn the program, not
modify it.
Wkr,
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gin 2.4.3 which has fixed the ICQ login issue. You saw
the bump-request coming, didn't you?
2) If you had your way, would you discourage users from filing early
version bump requests?
-
Oh please don't discourage bump-requests, even if they are 0-day. I like
them because I CC to t
g features from
the package manager."
Most of the time, the user is happy with the answer ;-)
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new developers ;-)
Anyway, have fun and we'll sure see you around!
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>> In an ebuild, i'd like to specify an "download as"-filename. That means,
>> out there, there is a file called "http://host/myprogram-1.2.3/patch01";
>> which i'd like to download as "myprogram-1.2.3-patch01".
>
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177863
>
> We're planning to support that
want to discuss, before i make an RFE in BugZilla)
Greetings,
Sven
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subproject from its beginning, and he was willing to
> become its lead when I begged him to do so. Please give him the usual
> Gentoo words of encouragement for which we are so well known.
My condolences to Jorge...
Or isn't that the encouragement you were looking for? *g*
Hit the bug(
stinguish between K and C).
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> There are many more ebuilds than just hal which fail with a compressed
> pci.ids file. And many of them are non-obvious. It took me more than
> I little bit of effort after the zlib USE flag was first added to the
> pciutils ebuild to figure out why so many packages where failing...
Oh! Really
But for the rest: always welcome Dimitry !
;-)
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>>> Why did you provocate this breakage?
>> Which breakage? It didn't install a gzipped pci.ids here.
>
> That is with USE=hal. Crap...
Oh! So USE="hal" forces pciutils not to use zlib?
And so the check, which the hal ebuild performs, should be modified to
check for USE="hal" rather than for USE
>> Why did you provocate this breakage?
>> This is not a good idea, IMHO.
>
> No. And many gave up getting this sensible again.
> As is, the default USE flags for a desktop profile lead to a compilation
> failure when unattended due to this, which is very very bad.
I'm not even complaining about
Hi,
so today, pciutils-2.2.4-r3 went stable on x86.
It's a known issue, that pciutils compiled with zlib use-flag turned on
(which is default) doesn't work with the version of hal, which is
currently stable on x86.
So at the moment, hal-0.5.9-r1 is stable on x86. It went stable weeks or
even mont
Raymond Lewis Rebbeck schrieb:
> On Saturday, 23 December 2006 2:40, Sven Köhler wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> so as you plugin a USB-disk, the kernel will recognize it, and it will
>> be called sda, sdb, sdc or whatever ...
>>
>> I don't like that - why doesn
er distribution doing it like that. So what do
you think?
- is it possible?
- is it a good idea?
- is it such a good idea, so that gentoo becomes the first distribution
doing it?
- is it a bad idea to differ from all the other distros out there?
Thanks,
Sven
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> As others have said, look at using udev to name your network devices in
> a persistant manner, it's the best solution.
Yes, i agree. But i have thought about it, and i wonder, if it's going
to work if:
1. udev loads the modules which results in a "natural order": saying
eth0 and eth1 are used.
>> Unfortunatly, the order of loading of modules defines the ordner of
>> the network-interfaces (if you different types of network cards).
>
> This is what udev's interface renaming capability is for. Define names
> for your interfaces according to their MAC address, for example, and
> all is goo
.
Unfortunatly, the order of loading of modules defines the ordner of the
network-interfaces (if you different types of network cards).
So can you imagine, loading the modules before udev's coldplug happens?
Greetings,
Sven
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Hi,
i had some orphaned files in /etc/udev/rules.d. Namely 40-fuse.rules and
60-fuse.rules.
The files were never removed, since they are protected - aren't they?
So that is _very_, _very_ unpractical, because the older your gentoo
gets, the more of such orphaned files you get.
Have you ever th
>> In 1.13, we've removed the variable from /etc/conf.d/rc and it's now forced
>> to /lib/rcscripts/init.d which is safe as /lib is always on the same
>> partition as /.
>
> From a filesystem usage point of view though, storing actively changing
> state data on /lib is ugly. The tmpfs /lib/rcs
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