2.6 kernel out when it's ready to be used,
I'd assume.
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devfs or
> not to devfs? to udev or not to udev? Or is it merely choice with package
> selection, and not with the overall package that is Gentoo?
>
You can go without devfs easily.
You do, however, need to boot with gentoo=nodevfs to tell the init
system you don't w
s for AMD64 due to bugs.
I, personally, think udev sucks and will really miss devfs.
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 08:14:29AM -0700, C. Brewer wrote:
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> On Monday 20 October 2003 11:17, Jon Portnoy wrote:
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> > You can go without devfs easily.
> >
> > You do, however, need to boot with gentoo=nodevfs to tell the init
>
r ~15 seconds, the
> baselayout ebuild for ~10 seconds and even dev-sources sleeps for ~5
> seconds whilst all these packages display messages. In my opinion, this is
> downright pointless. On a source distribution like this one especially
Except that it sleeps for _very important messages_. Those timers are
there because people were totally missing those messages.
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e?
I can put a "Opinions are my own and not those of Gentoo Linux or any
other entity unless stated otherwise" disclaimer in my sig like I do on
the forums if it's necessary.
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On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:31:41PM -0800, C. Brewer wrote:
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> > > Is it me, o
elegant solution?
>
Because of all the previously-stated reasons as to why it's a bad idea.
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Don Seiler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is returning to work on web-apps and gaim.
Give him a hug.
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on 0.80.0?
>
More likely is that it might be masked or not keyworded for your arch,
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> trance
When people were being picked out by managers, there was a "that's not
democratic!" outcry. Apparently when people are being picked out
democratically, that's also a bad thing.
Heh.
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>
> I hope you like the idea, and the proposed solution. Please comment if
> you have any questions, as I would very much like to see this happen, so
> I can run emerge -u world again :)
>
Is OpenSSL broken? The OpenSSL ebuild installs 0.9.6 libs for
compatibility to prevent brea
ndency
> of the software we're distributing.
>
> Matt
>
I believe catalyst fixes this. Daniel will have more information.
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ntly large number of people.
(And before anyone accuses me of being an anti-FSF type, my license
plate is 'GNU')
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mselves and think distributions should be there to
facilitate whatever they choose to do, and I agree with them.
I also think that if we implement ACCEPT_LICENSES, it should most
definitely accept all licenses (except e.g. the ID licenses) by
default, or at least a grouping like 'free nonfree'
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oll of people reading this thread: Would you like to see the
removal of nonfree software from the tree? That means things like
vmware, the java packages, etc.
Or perhaps someone should start a poll in the forums in Gentoo Chat
about it.
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has got to be less important than that.
>
And because I forgot to mention it in my previous mail...
You were not suggesting making people make a single line change. You
were suggesting forcing all nonfree software out of the tree.
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On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 12:47:59AM -0600, Matthew Kennedy wrote:
> Jon Portnoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> Jon,
>
> That's such a vague statement we have in the social contract. I've
> always wondered what it meant specifically.
I would assum
t of
defaults is to cater to the majority, is it not?
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dom" for another.
> As long as there is an option (editing the ACCEPT_LICENSES), there is no
> freedom being removed.
Indeed. Now we're discussing convienence.
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it
> here for comment. Unless there is quite a bit of opposition from a
> majority of the development team, this feature will go into effect no later
> than the end of the week (Dec. 05) and possibly as soon as Wednesday (Dec.
> 03)
>
> --kurt
I take it this won't change
who has in the past claimed Windows has a
lower TCO. I'd sure want to listen to them... 8)
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ary.
>
Docs people should probably update the docs pretty quickly. I think the
docs still recommend vcron as the default.
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man-pages contains a ton of very useful manpages for very basic things;
I say yes.
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;m with foser here. This is Gentoo, not Mandrake.
>
I agree.
Anyone remember how everyone felt about RH throwing their own icons in
everything, not to mention Bluecurve?
Know what I hear most often from users? "One thing I really like about
Gentoo is that you guys don't mes
anti (Ray Russell Reese, otherwise known as 3-R) has joined us to assist
with AMD64 and some asterisk/zaptel things. He hails from Maryland in
the DC area, so we're going to send him to do all our political
lobbying...
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crippling the tree because some SRC_URIs
are bad. What we should be doing is finding the new SRC_URI - a lot of
those files have just moved to new locations.
At any rate, part of the point of mirroring nearly everything is for
cases where the SRC_URI goes away.
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gt; I'm afraid you missed the point here then :) emerge -pf will pull from the
> gentoo mirrors if the tarball is there before trying the actual path in the
GENTOO_MIRRORS="" emerge -pf?
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On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 08:08:23PM -0500, Michael Cummings wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 07:18:24PM -0500, Jon Portnoy wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 06:51:00PM -0500, Michael Cummings wrote:
> > GENTOO_MIRRORS="" emerge -pf?
>
> dohl.
>
> OK, so tha
On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 02:40:40PM +0100, Michael Kunze wrote:
> Jon Portnoy wrote:
> > I don't really see the value in crippling the tree because some SRC_URIs
> > are bad. What we should be doing is finding the new SRC_URI - a lot of
> > those files have just moved to
of ebuilds I create
> and get them in the tree?
>
Generally, when someone asks, my response is an automatic no.
Prove yourself and you'll be picked up as a dev.
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ill* write a darned good
> ebuild with the proper help (thx Spyderous, obz and others in #gentoo-dev).
> Simply because I can't program, I can't be a dev... does that mean I can't
> do thorough package mangling/testing? Not really... In fact, I've been told,
> that with most things, if anyone can break it, I can :-D
No, but it does mean you probably don't need CVS access at this time.
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fits (a maintainer for two low profile packages that likely do not
require very much attention) do not outweigh the risks (another
developer who's a potential security risk) in my view.
You would be cautious too if there were an estimated quarter of a
million systems at stake.
D
Augustus (Kris Kersey), who operates linuxhardware.org, has joined us
to help with AMD64 port work.
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On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 04:13:51PM +, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
> Daniel Robbins said in August:
>
In another post in that thread, he said that he had consulted with his
lawyer and dual copyrights were, indeed, a bad idea.
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On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 11:37:51AM +0100, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 11:36:01 -0500
> Jon Portnoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > In another post in that thread, he said that he had consulted with his
> > lawyer and dual co
Eric Sammer (esammer) is joining us to help with perl and server-related
things. He's the author of gsds (http://dev.gentoo.org/~esammer/gsds/),
a mass-deployment system.
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-- generally, the thing is that we know
it works if there are no negative bug reports, and so "it works" bug
reports are only useful on alternate architectures (if you're testing
stuff on AMD64 that's marked unstable for an extended period of time
despite being stable on other
bug reports from users who don't realize they shouldn't
report bugs to us on unofficial, unsupported ebuilds, plus users who
don't realize Gentoo isn't responsible for any breakage, viruses, or
whatever else propogated by an unofficial tree.
Definitely not something I would
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 02:21:52PM +0100, Jan Schubert wrote:
> Jon Portnoy wrote:
>
> >And millions of bug reports from users who don't realize they shouldn't
> >report bugs to us on unofficial, unsupported ebuilds, plus users who
> >don't realize Ge
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 02:49:03PM -0600, Matthew Kennedy wrote:
> empty message this time?
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No. 8)
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Gustavo Felisberto (HumpBack) (bug #24793) has joined us to work with
jabber and Portugese documentation translations. He hails from Portugal.
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e some collapsed titles, we could ony expand the
> right paragraphs (and keep ppc, alpha, etc. part hidden).
>
It may be helpful if you filed a bug about this in the documentation
section of bugs.gentoo.org.
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of devs and users would be fairly likely to depart
if we were relying on bitkeeper. The license terms are _highly_
authoritarian and controversial. I refuse to deal with the mess (and
nasty PR) it would leave, personally.
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On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 07:49:27PM -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 10:15:26PM -0500, Jon Portnoy wrote:
> > A significant number of devs and users would be fairly likely to depart
> > if we were relying on bitkeeper. The license terms are _highly_
> &
stion about different phrasing
in documentation qualifies according to McVoy, I bet it would.
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he most optimisation and be
> sold there and then.
>
I agree. Could you please file a bug about this if there isn't one
already and post the bug number here?
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default. The commented examples in make.conf are just that
> -- examples.
>
> Try leaving the make.conf as it was when distributed (with CFLAGS and
> CXXFLAGS commented out), then run `emerge info | grep CFLAGS`.
>
> Donnie
Most people uncomment and use the example.
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t; Public License or some other license approved by the Open Source
> Initiative (OSI.)" -- http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/contract.xml
>
> I think we can cross Preforce/Bitkeeper off the list based on that.
>
> Matt
>
I agree.
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ompared to the kernel. While Gentoo doesn't, strictly speaking, depend
on the forums, it does depend on the kernels provided. Managing them
with a proprietary tool sends a very negative message.
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hem to fail.
Daniel has been making an effort to fix offending ebuilds with this
problem, but everyone really needs to check over their ebuilds. This is
very widespread.
Thanks.
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ted to bring this up.
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 09:21:57AM -0800, Drake Wyrm wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:56:21AM -0500, in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Portnoy
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A lot of ebuilds are turning up with screwy DEPEND vs. RDEPEND settings.
> > When wor
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> Jon Portnoy wrote:
>
> >On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 09:21:57AM -0800, Drake Wyrm wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 11:56:21AM -0500, in
> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Portnoy
>
't pay for them. I feel a stable tree is a key feature and
> charging for it would do more harm than good.
>
I agree. I do not think that would be in the spirit of free software.
Additionally it would alienate a lot of developers and users.
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> issue.
>
Anyone can report repeat offenders to devrel.
However, with 200+ devs maintaining 4000+ ebuilds, mistakes are bound to
happen.
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and /srv (should be under /var).
But that's my personal opinion. I don't honestly care that strongly
about what's implemented.
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On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 01:20:45AM +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
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> On Wednesday 04 February 2004 1:12 am, Jon Portnoy wrote:
> > I think the FHS needs to stop wrecking a perfectly usable preexisting
> > standard filesystem layout by introducing usel
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:05:42PM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 20:37, Jon Portnoy wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 01:20:45AM +, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > Content-Description: signed data
> > > On Wednesday 04 February 2004 1:12 am, Jon
p in the past; the verdict has always been that cfdisk
lacks a few essential features and creates messier partition tables.
Additionally, our fdisk instructions are verbose and informative enough
that even total newbies have been able to figure it out (and probably
learned something
rch to
> > do so.
>
> Does the x86_64 architecture specifications require sse/sse2? Just because
> sse-less x86_64 CPUs do not exist right now doesn't mean they won't in the
> future, and then the same problem would come up again.
Somehow I can't entirely pi
or LWE
> key signing, we require 2 forms of picture identification.
>
Most people don't _have_ two forms of picture ID.
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them
unprofessional.
You are not helping your position with this approach. There really isn't
any room for "do it my way or you're not being professional" in a
technical discussion.
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On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 11:40:12AM -0500, Andrew D. Fant wrote:
> Jon Portnoy wrote:
> >On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 09:31:25AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Any dev that you cannot physically verify via government or school
> >>issued identification
On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 03:39:45PM -0500, Aron Griffis wrote:
> Jon Portnoy wrote:[Wed Jan 19 2005, 11:57:21AM EST]
> > I suspect I can't be the only one. When you consider that and the fact
> > that we have devs in pretty isolated areas, I suspect building a web of
>
eve you are
whoever you want to be online right up until you decide you want to
participate in Gentoo development.
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's great. Now go out and apply for a job and just put down
'Luke-Jr' as your name.
Ever been pulled over or arrested? Tell the cop your name is just
'Luke-Jr' because you want it to be.
This is a really ridiculous thread. I'm not sure why I'm participating
aside from the entertainment value.
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gt; >
> > So we are exactly as fussy.
>
> I think you missed the part about the US government not requiring an ID for
> copyrights.
On a personal level and speaking as devrel lead, I really don't care
about real names for copyrights as much as I care about the fact that
someone who won't disclose their legal name is hiding something.
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D. If you don't, then
> don't. It really is that simple.
>
On a related note: if you don't want people to know anything about
the person behind the nickname, you're perfectly welcome to contribute
via e-mail and Bugzie without needing to disclose much of anything.
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On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 06:13:13PM -0800, Brian Beattie wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-01-20 at 10:18, Jon Portnoy wrote:
>
> > We've been here already with 'Luke-Jr' who is, apparently, only
> > 'Luke-Jr' -- suffice to say that you can feel free to believe
> telling people not to use love-sources.
I don't recall doing any such thing.
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lopment. It's
bad for productivity and makes Gentoo as a whole look bad.
Please don't let it happen again.
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t it's even necessary for me to say that -- it
should just be blatantly obvious that it's unacceptable.
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ices, and be done with the whole thing?
That'd make me a happy guy.
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see a Gentoo developer bash and stereotype them. Whether or not you
> agree with them, you're marginalizing them (not to mention pretty much
> all Republicans and Christians who don't take your message with a hefty
> grain of salt) when you draw them the way you did in your email.
>
Or perhaps you just take things way too seriously.
Calm down.
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n't have _any_ device at all!
>
Then how can we know anything in net-dialup actually works? Sounds like
net-dialup is sorely lacking devs with the relevant hardware.
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Because they're based on mips technology, not amd64 technology, and are
never referred to in any AMD documentation as 'AMD64'
At any rate, I think this should be left up to the AMD64 team and not
forced on them via a GLEP. I don't think any architecture
team appreciate
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 07:55:17PM -0600, Jason Huebel wrote:
> On Thursday 31 March 2005 6:52 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > Attached... Corrections for any typos welcomed.
>
> If it was an April fool, it's quite funny.
>
Damn, it is that time of year again, isn't
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