On Sat, 2005-08-20 at 19:42 -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
[snip]
> What I see with Gentoo is this 'cathedral' being built where only those
> folks who have been 'approved' or 'blessed' as being l33t enough are
> allowed to review the code and actually cause a positive change when
> some bug is foun
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Nathan L. Adams wrote:
| What I see with Gentoo is this 'cathedral' being built where only those
| folks who have been 'approved' or 'blessed' as being l33t enough are
| allowed to review the code and actually cause a positive change when
| some bug i
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
What I see with Gentoo is this 'cathedral' being built where only those
folks who have been 'approved' or 'blessed' as being l33t enough are
allowed to review the code and actually cause a positive change when
some bug is found. If you believe Chris Gianelloni's argument,
Donnie Berkholz posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Sun, 21 Aug 2005 03:02:36 -0700:
> Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> | What I see with Gentoo is this 'cathedral' being built where only those
> | folks who have been 'approved' or 'blessed' as being l33t enough are
> | allowed to review the
This time I'll say something useful :)
Nathan, you seem to be misunderstanding open source. You get the "I
can ask for features or suggest things" part, but not that "I can add
features or do things part". No one is stopping you, or me, or an
average joe, or George W. Bush, from "peer reviewing"
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Jon Portnoy wrote:
> I hate to be the bearer of bad news
Somehow, I doubt that... ;)
> but that's because you don't realize
> how many devs are sitting back and giggling at this thread 8)
I didn't realize you got together with other devs for giggle
On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 09:22 -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> And yet I see scarce few ideas on how to solve the problem. The only
> other person who seems to have any are Ciaran, and what is his solution?
> He's doing *code reviews* of ebuilds. *GASP* Imagine that!
And - as I told you the last time
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Dan Meltzer wrote:
> This time I'll say something useful :)
>
> Nathan, you seem to be misunderstanding open source. You get the "I
> can ask for features or suggest things" part, but not that "I can add
> features or do things part". No one is stop
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Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
> And - as I told you the last time you brought this issue up - you're
> more than welcome to start reviewing ebuilds and commits as well.
I'm starting to do just that. I've even asked Ciaran to review a
particular ebuild I
On Monday 04 July 2005 09:26, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> I was just finally shuffling packages into the app-backup category
> (originally discussed in March, but not implementing due to epkgmove
> status at the time), and I wanted to put the herd into the category
> metadata, but I found that we don
On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 10:10 -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> I'm starting to do just that. I've even asked Ciaran to review a
> particular ebuild I was interested in so that I could learn from it.
That's still not *you* doing the actual work - that's you requesting
someone else to review your work
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Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 10:10 -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
>
>>I'm starting to do just that. I've even asked Ciaran to review a
>>particular ebuild I was interested in so that I could learn from it.
>
> That's still not *
On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 11:14 -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> Its a chicken and egg situation. I need to have a certain level of
> expertise with ebuild syntax and conventions to do the job. So I've
> asked for some help from an expert. Also, I learn things quicker and
> easier by first seeing exampl
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:20:00 +0200 Henrik Brix Andersen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| We have plenty of examples in portage
...some of which are good and some of which are terrible.
| Did you read our Ebuild HOWTO [1] yet?
That's, uh, not really the best documentation around... The devmanual's
a
Nathan L. Adams posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on
Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:46:37 -0400:
> My experience with Gentoo is that certain developers ignore user
> submitted ebuilds, bugs fixes, etc. and claim its a manpower/time issue.
> Yet they fail to court the user submitting the ebuild in
On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 16:26 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> ...some of which are good and some of which are terrible.
True.
> That's, uh, not really the best documentation around... The devmanual's
> a slightly better bet if one wishes to learn how things should really be
> done.
Have you submit
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
>
> Its a chicken and egg situation. I need to have a certain level of
> expertise with ebuild syntax and conventions to do the job. So I've
> asked for some help from an expert. Also, I learn things quicker and
> easier by first seeing examples and then seeing the document
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:37:52 +0200 Henrik Brix Andersen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 16:26 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > That's, uh, not really the best documentation around... The
| > devmanual's a slightly better bet if one wishes to learn how things
| > should really be
I have been the lilypond maintainer for x years, but lately I haven't
been using it personally, and consequently I haven't been keeping up
with the releases. However there are lots of users that would like to
see the update go into portage.
Any devs, particularly tex-savvy ones, interested in mai
[ Please excuse the length... I'm making a proposal related to an issue
which isn't widely understood, and I think it's better to provide an
explanation straight off rather than watch this thread descend into
irrelevant arguments by people who don't have a clue about what's being
discussed. ]
Firs
On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 22:05 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
[snip good description of problem]
> Now the proposal. This isn't something that can happen immediately, but
> it's something I'd like to see us working towards:
>
> * Make everything that isn't xterm set its own TERM value. Possibly the
>
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:00:26 +0200 Henrik Brix Andersen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > * Install, either with the terminal (as is done by rxvt-unicode
| > currently), or as part of ncurses, proper terminfo definitions for
| > these terminals.
|
| One could argue for both solutions here: it wou
On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 23:13 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> The problem with this is that non-X boxes will be missing the terminfo
> descriptions.
Right.
> The problem with this is that some terminals gain new capabilities
> fairly regularly. One example is rxvt-unicode, which is still putting
>
putty pretends to be an xterm and dies at xtermcontrol --get-bg... I
can test other things if you need.. just give me some idea :)
On 8/21/05, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:00:26 +0200 Henrik Brix Andersen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > * Install, either
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:43:54 -0400 Dan Meltzer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| putty pretends to be an xterm and dies at xtermcontrol --get-bg... I
| can test other things if you need.. just give me some idea :)
Thanks. The other useful one is to see whether it does 256 colours
properly like real xte
On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 12:08:00AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Thanks. The other useful one is to see whether it does 256 colours
> properly like real xterm does. The following bash script, when run with
> '256' as its argument, should look the same as it does when run under
> a real xterm.
No
Hi all,
As part of the final project for my graduation in Informatics
Engineering (kinda Computer Science but that's the official name),
I'm gonna develop a "distributed" portage so we can have a test
lab at our uni with Gentoo (Starting September 1st). The idea is to
have a central machine with t
Ricardo Loureiro wrote:
Some questions:
1- Can I RSYNC_EXCLUDE everything except profiles and have an usable
system?
Depending on exactly how you're doing this, you'll probably want to keep
eclasses/ as well.
2- There was a portagesql effort, is it dead?
Yes. It has been for a while, afa
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:37:52 +0200 Henrik Brix Andersen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 16:26 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | > That's, uh, not really the best documentation around... The
> | > devmanua
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Luca Barbato wrote:
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~plasmaroo/devmanual/
Thanks, I've been wondering where Ciaran's docs went. :)
Now, there one question that I won't be able to answer for myself
anytime soon:
What are the most common ebuild mistakes?
A s
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:10:58 -0400 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| What are the most common ebuild mistakes?
|
| A script will never be a substitute for good peer review, but it can
| easily detect (and even correct in some cases) common syntax errors.
| So I'm looking for a list of
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Nathan L. Adams wrote:
| What are the most common ebuild mistakes?
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=2&chap=3
Thanks,
Donnie
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Ricardo Loureiro wrote:
| As part of the final project for my graduation in Informatics
| Engineering (kinda Computer Science but that's the official name),
| I'm gonna develop a "distributed" portage so we can have a test
| lab at our uni with Gentoo
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:10:58 -0400 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | What are the most common ebuild mistakes?
> Existing tools will already get some of these. However, most
> user-submitted ebuilds have quite
maillog: 22/08/2005-04:25:38(+0100): Ciaran McCreesh types
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:10:58 -0400 "Nathan L. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> | What are the most common ebuild mistakes?
> | ...
>
> KEYWORDS, under-quoting of variables (we didn't used to care about
> quoting on ${D} etc), using
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Georgi Georgiev wrote:
> When should make be used? I thought that ebuilds should always use
> emake, and if necessary -- emake -j1. But never make.
make DESTDIR=${D} install || die "make install failed"
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:52:15 -0400 Jonathan Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
| Georgi Georgiev wrote:
| > When should make be used? I thought that ebuilds should always use
| > emake, and if necessary -- emake -j1. But never make.
|
| make DESTDIR=${D} install || die "make install failed"
make DE
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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> | What are the most common ebuild mistakes?
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=2&chap=3
Thanks everyone. I'll bug each of you individually if I need clarification.
Na
Mike Frysinger wrote:
> suggestion:
> stop keeping ChangeLog files in CVS and instead, let them be generated
> automagically by the cvs server using the last of commit
> messages. if you really want to keep a commit message out of the changelog,
> then we come up with a simple policy of prefix
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