Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:00:40 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: On 07/31/2011 03:46 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi everyone, A couple of days ago, bonsaikitten (Patrick), kerframil (Kerin

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:19:03 -0700 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm interested in some sort of suggested/recommend deps for www-client/chromium, but I'm not sure if eclass is the right implementation. I think I agree with Ciaran that this should be implemented as a PMS

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:28:54 +0200 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: Samuli Suominen schrieb: Someone mentioned NFS mount on /usr. Do we have other reasons? How many users that might be? If you have / encrypted, then you can leave /usr unencrypted as it

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:35:05 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't think we can start drafting until we agree on one solution. AFAICS there are two major ideas: 1) using special USEflags for that (which I can draft if you like), 2) copying DEPENDENCIES syntax from exherbo. I guess

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 08/02/2011 03:08 AM, Michał Górny wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:00:40 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: On 07/31/2011 03:46 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi everyone, A couple of days ago,

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:28:58 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: I prefer capsetting in the PMS itself, with a nice clean function which auto detects all the necessary conditions and transparently preserves caps, as you suggest. Maybe this can be in EAPI=5. Would need a spec,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook?

2011-08-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: BTW doesn't encrypting rootfs require initramfs anyway? Yup. On a side note. I've been experimenting with Dracut+LVM+RAID5 and have found that it actually works pretty transparently. Now, I haven't tried it with /usr not

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 08/02/2011 10:31 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:28:58 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: I prefer capsetting in the PMS itself, with a nice clean function which auto detects all the necessary conditions and transparently preserves caps, as you suggest.

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:51:22 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: Would need a spec, along with a way of dealing with all the problems: what happens if the build fs supports caps but the install fs doesn't? What about if caps are supported on both but in different ways (tmpfs

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 08/02/2011 10:54 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: I was thinking something even dirtier, something outside of the PMS altogether, along the lines of what one does when converting to a selinux system where one relabels the entire filesystem with rlpkg. So no, not something via pkg_postinst().

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:51:22 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/02/2011 10:31 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:28:58 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: I prefer capsetting in the PMS itself, with a nice clean function which auto

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:05:34 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/02/2011 10:54 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: I was thinking something even dirtier, something outside of the PMS altogether, along the lines of what one does when converting to a selinux system where one

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Rich Freeman
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: On 08/02/2011 10:54 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: I was thinking something even dirtier, something outside of the PMS altogether, along the lines of what one does when converting to a selinux system where one

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 08/02/2011 11:05 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Please don't. Why would this be bad? Because going behind the package mangler's back results in horribly screwed up systems (as anyone who's ever used lafilefixer will tell you...). Is rlpkg going behind the PM's back when it does selinux

Re: [gentoo-dev] POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:19:21 -0400 Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote: Is rlpkg going behind the PM's back when it does selinux labelings? Yup. Also, note that PMS has wording for selinux. I know there are difference, but if there's a screwup in some policy, it also leads to horribly

[gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Duncan
Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:05:54 +0100 as excerpted: Because going behind the package mangler's back results in horribly screwed up systems (as anyone who's ever used lafilefixer will tell you...). Well, not anyone. I never had any problems with it. (YMMV, but soon

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:11:28 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:05:54 +0100 as excerpted: Because going behind the package mangler's back results in horribly screwed up systems (as anyone who's ever used lafilefixer will tell

[gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Jonathan Callen
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:11:28 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Ciaran McCreesh posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:05:54 +0100 as excerpted: Because going behind the package mangler's back results in horribly screwed up systems (as anyone who's ever used

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 Jonathan Callen a...@gentoo.org wrote: That statement needs one more qualification: and doesn't use portage. Portage will (by default) remove files on uninstall even if they *do not* match the checksum recorded in the vdb. This implies that most people will

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 8/2/11 12:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:19:03 -0700 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm interested in some sort of suggested/recommend deps for www-client/chromium, but I'm not sure if eclass is the right implementation. I don't think we can start

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Michał Górny
On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:58:56 -0700 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: On 8/2/11 12:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:19:03 -0700 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm interested in some sort of suggested/recommend deps for www-client/chromium, but

[gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello fellow developers, I would like to discuss the possibility to create a new virtual package for all the icon-theme packages. According to this bug[1], it seems like pcmanfm, and possible other applications too, require an icon-theme to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
Markos Chandras schrieb: - --: Not all packages include the same icons so users may end up with missing icons for some applications. However, most icon themes should include all the basic icons. You could have USE flags for the virtual, so that some package could depend on

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Alex Alexander
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 21:20, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello fellow developers, I would like to discuss the possibility to create a new virtual package for all the icon-theme packages. According to this bug[1], it seems like

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:18:17 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: I think I prefer the second option (copying from Exherbo). A better integration with the package manager than USE flags should result in a better user experience. Are you willing to update and EAPI-bump all the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Alex Alexander
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 21:18, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:58:56 -0700 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: On 8/2/11 12:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:19:03 -0700 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm interested

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 08/02/2011 09:20 PM, Markos Chandras wrote: Hello fellow developers, I would like to discuss the possibility to create a new virtual package for all the icon-theme packages. According to this bug[1], it seems like pcmanfm, and possible other applications too, require an icon-theme to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Markos Chandras
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/02/2011 07:30 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Markos Chandras schrieb: - --: Not all packages include the same icons so users may end up with missing icons for some applications. However, most icon themes should include all the

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: an eclass to handle optional runtime depends

2011-08-02 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 8/2/11 11:18 AM, Michał Górny wrote: I think I prefer the second option (copying from Exherbo). A better integration with the package manager than USE flags should result in a better user experience. Are you willing to update and EAPI-bump all the eclasses? May I remind you that most of

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 8/2/11 11:20 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: I would like to discuss the possibility to create a new virtual package for all the icon-theme packages. According to this bug[1], it seems like pcmanfm, and possible other applications too, require an icon-theme to be present, no matter which one. So

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: virtual/icon-theme

2011-08-02 Thread Alex Alexander
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 21:48, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: On 8/2/11 11:20 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: I would like to discuss the possibility to create a new virtual package for all the icon-theme packages. According to this bug[1], it seems like pcmanfm, and possible other

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2011-08-02 19:39:18 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 Jonathan Callen a...@gentoo.org wrote: That statement needs one more qualification: and doesn't use portage. Portage will (by default) remove files on uninstall even if they *do not* match the checksum

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 06:39:18PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 Jonathan Callen a...@gentoo.org wrote: That statement needs one more qualification: and doesn't use portage. Portage will (by default) remove files on uninstall even if they *do not* match

[gentoo-dev] Re: POSIX capability in Gentoo

2011-08-02 Thread Duncan
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis posted on Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:46:54 +0200 as excerpted: 2011-08-02 19:39:18 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:12 -0400 Jonathan Callen a...@gentoo.org wrote: That statement needs one more qualification: and doesn't use portage.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Delivery reports about your e-mail

2011-08-02 Thread Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Delivery reports about your e-mail

2011-08-02 Thread Robin H. Johnson
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Delivery reports about your e-mail

2011-08-02 Thread Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)
El 03/08/11 06:57, Robin H. Johnson escribió: On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 04:13:19AM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote: Come on they can't be serious... this won't work against Gentoo devs, will it? It is concerning that the spammer used a valid list subscriber. Crunching

Re: [gentoo-dev] Delivery reports about your e-mail

2011-08-02 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 07:27:23AM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote: El 03/08/11 06:57, Robin H. Johnson escribió: On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 04:13:19AM +0200, Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike) wrote: Come on they can't be serious... this won't work against