On 17/12/12 06:02, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:35:44PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
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On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:10:22PM -0500, Richard
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On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:35:44PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
On 12/15/2012 10:03 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:10:22PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
On 12/15/2012 06:02 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
On 17 December 2012 00:10, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
On 12/16/12 14:04, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 16 December 2012 16:57, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Inspired by the number of packages being unmaintained -- why not use
some of that bug bounty money to fix up
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:10:06 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Parts of this docs are outdated but this does not matter. Get
involved, fix bugs, help people and someone will ask you to join. Or
look for a mentor.
If your recruitment process is fix bugs for years and
On 16 December 2012 19:14, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
the time, when in reality, it's one of the most stable.
Well that's not entirely true but that's a different issue
What's not really true? That it's the
Hi lads,
lately I am having bit of problems from getting relevant debug info from users.
Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
default enabled and add -g to default cflags. Currently it is only
enabled
On 17/12/2012 11:11, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
default enabled and add -g to default cflags. Currently it is only
enabled in the developer profile.
Why, somebody
Currently we put portage into /usr/portage and all related stuff is to
be in the subfolders there (distfiles, binpkg).
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world and config files to be put
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world and config files to be put elsewhere :P).
I would say let's work on that so that portage can keep them
2012/12/17 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu:
On 17/12/2012 11:11, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
default enabled and add -g to default cflags. Currently it is
2012/12/17 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world and config files to be put elsewhere :P).
I
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world and config
Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012, 11:11:38 schrieb Tomáš Chvátal:
Hi lads,
lately I am having bit of problems from getting relevant debug info from
users.
Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
default
On 17 December 2012 18:26, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/12/17 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu:
On 17/12/2012 11:11, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
few of us are using it) how about making it to
On 17 December 2012 18:27, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/12/17 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 03:17:05PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
On 12/15/2012 02:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:58:43 -0500
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:07:09PM +0100, Micha?? G??rny wrote
Waaait, what? Did something change lately or
On 17/12/2012 11:33, Sven Eden wrote:
on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS use -
march=native, -O2 and -ggdb.
That's -ggdb that increases the size.
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On 16 December 2012 18:53, Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote:
1. Even MediaWiki (wiki.gentoo.org) looks better than www.gentoo.org.
That's impressive-bad.
People still think of Gentoo as a ricer distro that's broken all
the time, when in reality, it's one of the
On 17/12/2012 11:26, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I silently hope they copy the default cflags to their make.conf and
then set march and add more stuff, rather than starting from scratch.
Also we can pop-up newsitem asking them to put it into cflags ;-)
They don't, they use those coming from
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 11:11 +0100, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
Hi lads,
lately I am having bit of problems from getting relevant debug info from
users.
Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
default
2012/12/17 Sven Eden sven.e...@gmx.de:
Hello Tomáš,
on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS use -
march=native, -O2 and -ggdb.
And this is the result: (Yes, I have a dedictated partition for that.)
~ $ LC_ALL=C df -h /usr/lib/debug/.
Filesystem Size
2012/12/17 Alexandre Rostovtsev tetrom...@gentoo.org:
The bigger problem is not disk space but memory usage at link time. Try
building something like *-webkit-* or firefox with debugging CFLAGS on a
machine with limited memory.
That ain't problem, we acutally can patch in those packages to
2012/12/17 Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org:
Please don't. For most users this is a waste of resources.
On first look it seems like waste of resources.
On second hand it makes stuff easy wrt bugreports provided by users.
And believe me when I say most upstreams are pissed by gentoo reports
because
On 17/12/2012 11:54, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
That ain't problem, we acutally can patch in those packages to strip
the debug by default and add there useflag to not strip those for
those really needing it.
No. USE=debug is for _something else_ entirely. And I'm going to kick
hard whoever tries to
On 17/12/12 11:23, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world and config files to be put elsewhere :P).
I would say
On 12/17/12 11:30 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered
On 12/17/12 11:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
So systemd still works with a separate /usr and you're continuing to
spread misinformation. Demonstrating such behaviour while complaining
about the behaviour of upstream is IMO very ironic.
No it does not, try by yourself please ^^
(or just issue and
On 17/12/2012 12:06, justin wrote:
fetch-restricted files are to be considered critical here. Do we want to
force the user to keep them twice? So an additional location which is
not a cache?
Of course PORTAGE_RO_DISTDIRS and friends are nice here, but they are
not part of a default setup.
I
Il 17/12/2012 11:42, Diego Elio Pettenò ha scritto:
On 17/12/2012 11:33, Sven Eden wrote:
on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS use -
march=native, -O2 and -ggdb.
That's -ggdb that increases the size.
In short FEATURES=compressdebug should be stable and
On 17/12/2012 12:37, viv...@gmail.com wrote:
In short FEATURES=compressdebug should be stable and default before you
(gentoo) decide for something like this.
As mentioned somewhere else in this thread some packages are on the
unbeareable side when compiled with debug information, those
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò
flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
I would say let's work on that so that portage can keep them there.
Although I'm more for /var/cache/portage myself, as both distfiles and
tree can be re-generated.
+1.
Cheers,
Dirkjan
On 17 December 2012 09:40, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:10:06 -0500
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
Parts of this docs are outdated but this does not matter. Get
involved, fix bugs, help people and someone will ask you to join. Or
look for a
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote:
I silently hope they copy the default cflags to their make.conf and
then set march and add more stuff, rather than starting from scratch.
Also we can pop-up newsitem asking them to put it into cflags ;-)
You might
On 17 December 2012 10:11, Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi lads,
lately I am having bit of problems from getting relevant debug info from
users.
Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
few of us are using it) how about making it to default
+1 /var/cache
Derek Dai
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to
On 17 December 2012 10:30, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
actually have the time to invest in a complete webpage redesign.
If we have funds
On Monday 17 December 2012 11:19:20 Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world and config files to be put elsewhere :P).
Finally!
And, while we are at it, lets more
Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012, 11:47:24 schrieb Tomáš Chvátal:
2012/12/17 Sven Eden sven.e...@gmx.de:
Hello Tomáš,
on my system I have set up everything with splitdebug enabled. My CFLAGS
use - march=native, -O2 and -ggdb.
And this is the result: (Yes, I have a dedictated partition for
On 17.12.2012 11:23, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world and config files to be put elsewhere :P).
I would say
On 17/12/12 12:17, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 17/12/2012 12:06, justin wrote:
fetch-restricted files are to be considered critical here. Do we want to
force the user to keep them twice? So an additional location which is
not a cache?
Of course PORTAGE_RO_DISTDIRS and friends are nice here,
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, Michał Górny wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
I would say let's work on that so that portage can keep them there.
Although I'm more for /var/cache/portage myself, as both distfiles and
tree can be re-generated.
On 17/12/2012 13:42, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
If we change the location, can we then move distfiles to some place
outside of the tree? Something like:
/var/cache/portage
/var/cache/distfiles
What I do on my systems is
/var/cache/portage/tree
/var/cache/portage/distfiles
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On 17/12/2012 13:39, justin wrote:
I am more thinking about packages which are not as easy accessible as
JRE. There are a couple sci packages which are distributed on request by
mail other inconvenient methods. Sometimes even not by your own, but by
your PI or other seniors. And even sometimes
On 12/17/2012 05:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 03:17:05PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
On 12/15/2012 02:33 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:58:43 -0500
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:07:09PM +0100, Micha?? G??rny wrote
Am Montag, den 17.12.2012, 11:19 +0100 schrieb Tomáš Chvátal:
Currently we put portage into /usr/portage and all related stuff is to
be in the subfolders there (distfiles, binpkg).
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:09:08PM +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 12/17/12 11:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
So systemd still works with a separate /usr and you're continuing to
spread misinformation. Demonstrating such behaviour while complaining
about the behaviour of upstream is IMO very ironic.
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:19:20 +0100
Tomáš Chvátal tomas.chva...@gmail.com wrote:
The only reason why we have this currently in usr is that bsd ports
put their stuff in there and I suppose Daniel just did the same.
+1 on /var/cache.
Agreed.
Bonus points if we consider suggesting to move it
On 12/17/2012 11:11 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
Hi lads,
lately I am having bit of problems from getting relevant debug info from
users.
All trouble can be saved by asking user to recompile package with
relevant flags on bug report, resolving the bug as NEEDINFO. Instead of
forcing everybody out
On 17/12/2012 14:40, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
/var sounds right but if /usr is still huge it may annoy some (like
apt can) with smaller drives who now need lots of free space for new
programs in both /usr and /var. Of course there is LVM.
Changing our defaults is unlikely to force users to change
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
So it's probably a user exercise?
It already is a user exercise. A stage3 doesn't even contain the
/usr/portage directory - you manually create it per the handbook (or
more likely let tar/etc do it for you.
I also
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Kacper Kowalik xarthis...@gentoo.org wrote:
All trouble can be saved by asking user to recompile package with
relevant flags on bug report, resolving the bug as NEEDINFO. Instead of
forcing everybody out there using Gentoo to have additional XGb for
debug,
On 17/12/2012 14:49, Rich Freeman wrote:
I'd also suggest at least considering how paludis handles this. They
just have a directory containing config file per repository, with a
priority setting. The portage tree is just another overlay, which is
a good way to handle it. The sync mechanism
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
actually have the time to invest in a complete webpage redesign.
Before we
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò
flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
So please stop giving this stupid suggestion, which causes enough grief
as it is without being repeated once again.
Uh, sure, insofar as it is possible to stop doing something that
you've done exactly once... :)
On 12/17/2012 08:25 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:09:08PM +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 12/17/12 11:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
So systemd still works with a separate /usr and you're continuing to
spread misinformation. Demonstrating such behaviour while complaining
about
On 17/12/2012 15:20, Rich Freeman wrote:
Uh, sure, insofar as it is possible to stop doing something that
you've done exactly once... :)
In general, I've heard the same suggestion touted too many times
already. It's this kind of misinformation and cargo culting that often
causes `strip-flags`
Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012, 11:23:00 schrieb Diego Elio Pettenò:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world and config files to be put
On 17/12/2012 15:49, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
What about setups where portage tree is mounted via NFS to reduce traffic and
disk space?
Since nothing in Gentoo and/or other distributions _enforces_ FHS,
you're allowed to do as you prefer
FHS states[1] that /var/cache is *locally*
On 17 December 2012 12:31, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
actually have the
Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012, 15:56:11 schrieb Diego Elio Pettenò:
On 17/12/2012 15:49, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
What about setups where portage tree is mounted via NFS to reduce traffic
and disk space?
Since nothing in Gentoo and/or other distributions _enforces_ FHS,
you're allowed to do
Hi everyone,
Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should probably
mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo Development next
semester. I know two students will most likely go through the
recruitment process, others may at least contribute. So its like GSoC
but
On 12/17/2012 05:30 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:23:00 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenòflamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered
On 17 December 2012 14:08, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in doing
this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us
actually have the
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 11:23 +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 17/12/2012 11:19, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
I've always myself override these defaults in make.conf to point for
/var/portage/ (not /var/lib because I never bothered enough how to
make world and config files to be put elsewhere
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 13:47 +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 17/12/2012 13:39, justin wrote:
I am more thinking about packages which are not as easy accessible as
JRE. There are a couple sci packages which are distributed on request by
mail other inconvenient methods. Sometimes even not
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 15:56 +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 17/12/2012 15:49, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
What about setups where portage tree is mounted via NFS to reduce traffic
and
disk space?
Since nothing in Gentoo and/or other distributions _enforces_ FHS,
you're allowed to do
On 17/12/2012 16:51, Brian Dolbec wrote:
then /var/repositories/ similar to my previous reply. It is very clear
by the name what it's purpose is. Also name the portage tree dir gentoo
like it's repo_name and all but one of the layman overlays available to
install.
Erm, why should we
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On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
Hi everyone,
Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should probably
mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo Development next
semester. I know two students will most
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 15:02 +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 17/12/2012 14:49, Rich Freeman wrote:
I'd also suggest at least considering how paludis handles this. They
just have a directory containing config file per repository, with a
priority setting. The portage tree is just another
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:56:11 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
Any other suggestions on where to place it? And please don't say
/var/lib because that would usually be backed up.
/var/db
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On 12/17/12 2:11 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
Since we already have splitdebug for quite time (and I suppose quite
few of us are using it) how about making it to default profiles
default enabled and add -g to default cflags. Currently it is only
enabled in the developer profile.
Fully seconded.
On 12/17/12 2:19 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
With respect to reality how stuff is done in the linux land all the
variable data should be in /var so we should adjust and move it in
there too.
What would you think?
Fully seconded.
+1 to /var/cache/portage and having distfiles outside of the
On 12/17/12 7:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
So what should I teach? Here's what I've got off the top of my head:
Please comment. If it gets systematized enough, it can be a guide to
future devs too. Everything will be creative commons.
I think it's worth to mention somewhere that although
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:37:27PM +0100, Sven Eden wrote
1) --- kde-base/kate
-
Compiled with -ggdb in CFLAGS:
# sum=0; for file in $(equery f kde-base/kate | grep \.debug) ; do
xSize=$(stat -c %s $file) ; sum=$((sum+xSize)) ; done ; echo $sum
32652140
On 12/17/2012 02:55 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Kacper Kowalik xarthis...@gentoo.org wrote:
All trouble can be saved by asking user to recompile package with
relevant flags on bug report, resolving the bug as NEEDINFO. Instead of
forcing everybody out there using
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On 17/12/12 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
Hi everyone,
Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should
probably mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo
Development next semester. I know two students will most
On 12/17/2012 12:23 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
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On 17/12/12 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
Hi everyone,
5. How to write ebuilds, ie the dev manual. How to work with cvs
and git.
5.5: BUGS
Very appropriate here to include somewhere
On 2012.12.17 16:02, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
Hi everyone,
Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should
probably mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo
Development
[snip]
Can I take this course
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote:
Please comment. If it gets systematized enough, it can be a guide to future
devs too.
Hi, what is the level of the students, what are the prerequisites
(i.e., have they already seen some systems programming using
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 2012.12.17 16:02, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
Hi everyone,
Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should
probably mention that I'm teaching a
4. How to work with gnu autotools. Writing a build system.
Writing a build system from scratch is actually not a requirement.
However one should understand basics of the most popular build systems
and probably have some advanced understaning of Makefiles and how flags
work, where they should
On 12/17/2012 07:11 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
Then convert to autotools, update
dependencies. Do it all on GitHub, with a separate branch for
converting to autotools.
That's not really a common thing to do for ebuild development (neither
converting nor writing from scratch).
Actually you
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:32:03 -0500
Anthony G. Basile bluen...@gentoo.org wrote:
5. How to write ebuilds, ie the dev manual. How to work with cvs
and git.
An important thing to teach here is how to code to a spec vs how to
code to an implementation. It's also something people should know in
On 2012.12.17 15:15, Markos Chandras wrote:
On 17 December 2012 12:31, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras
hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote:
Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in
doing
this. The foundation has the
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
not work. We are discussing some of the things necessary to make it work.
Just to repeat:
In this thread it was claimed that a separate /usr is not supported by
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:02:24AM -0500, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
SNIP
Can I take this course online? Will the lectures be recorded?
I would second the idea of an online course if that is possible: I
would even gladly do the beta testing of such an online course... ;)
WKR
Hinnerk
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
not work. We are discussing some of the things necessary to make it
work.
Just to repeat:
In this thread it was claimed that a
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:14:49 -0500
Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
I face funroll-loops references and worse almost every time I bring up
Gentoo among a different group of Linux-familiar technical people.
There are still *very* strong prejudices against Gentoo in most places
Comparing
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:18 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 12/17/2012 07:11 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
Then convert to autotools, update
dependencies. Do it all on GitHub, with a separate branch for
converting to autotools.
That's not really a common thing to do for ebuild
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:07:59AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote:
Announcing once to -dev-announce due to the general importance of this
topic to the community, but ALL replies should go to -nfp, or to
trustees@ if you must, or to /dev/null if you shouldn't.
Before I start, yes, the trustees
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
not work. We are discussing some of the things necessary to
On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
Hi everyone,
Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should probably
mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo Development next
semester. I know two students will most likely go through the
recruitment process,
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote:
Suppose the team in [1] above wrote the specification, who needs to
agree it?
The council, the trustees, the body of devs ... some combination of
that list. All in all, producing an agreed specification for a website
Am 17.12.2012 17:02, schrieb Rick Zero_Chaos Farina:
On 12/17/2012 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote:
Hi everyone,
Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should probably
mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo Development next
semester. I know two students will
Duncan wrote:
Apparently, IRC is a hard requirement. At least the one final
evaluation must be done on IRC.
I understand why online communication is not everyone's prefered format.
I guess that the IRC part of the recruitment is not very formal, I
don't know as I haven't seen one, but in
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman d...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote:
Suppose the team in [1] above wrote the specification, who needs to
agree it?
I don't think the whole body of devs has to agree to it. The
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:31:59PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:03:40PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:29:26AM -0500, Richard Yao wrote:
As I said in an earlier email, Lennart Poettering claims that it does
On 12/17/2012 01:11 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Anthony G. Basilebluen...@gentoo.org wrote:
Please comment. If it gets systematized enough, it can be a guide to future
devs too.
Hi, what is the level of the students, what are the prerequisites
(i.e., have they
On 12/17/12 2:25 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 12:09:08PM +0100, Luca Barbato wrote:
On 12/17/12 11:40 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
So systemd still works with a separate /usr and you're continuing to
spread misinformation. Demonstrating such behaviour while complaining
about the
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