[gentoo-dev]  Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-27 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 02:56:24 Mart Raudsepp napisał(a): On L, 2008-07-26 at 03:39 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Fortunately, the majority of ebuilds/packages are honoring LDFLAGS.  Of course it's kinda difficult to always check if a package honors it or not.  But it's a good idea to file a bug

[gentoo-dev]  Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-27 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-27 05:45:29 Jeremy Olexa napisał(a): Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: It will at least allow QA team to fix such bugs where patches are already available. So, if bugs are being fixed Not all of them. Are bugs being ignored or RESOLVED, WONTFIX? These bugs which aren't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-27 Thread Marius Mauch
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:45:29 -0500 Jeremy Olexa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: It will at least allow QA team to fix such bugs where patches are already available. So, if bugs are being fixed why is there a need to fix something that isn't broken

Re: [gentoo-dev]  Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-27 Thread Mart Raudsepp
On P, 2008-07-27 at 18:20 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: 2008-07-26 02:56:24 Mart Raudsepp napisał(a): On L, 2008-07-26 at 03:39 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Fortunately, the majority of ebuilds/packages are honoring LDFLAGS. Of course it's kinda difficult to

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:36:28 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to suggest new policy stating that packages should respect LDFLAGS. Small amount of packages which ignore LDFLAGS should be patched to respect them. Such patches are usually small and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 18:06:12 Ryan Hill napisał(a): On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:36:28 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to suggest new policy stating that packages should respect LDFLAGS. Small amount of packages which ignore LDFLAGS should be patched to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 02:45:57 Ciaran McCreesh napisał(a): On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:15:03 + (UTC) Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In particular, --as-needed makes a HUGE very practical difference. It may or may not be the wrong answer to the problem in theory, but lacking anything even close to as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:54:20 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Respecting LDFLAGS provides also some some degree of optimization. It's a *very* small degree, and certainly nowhere near on the scale of the difference made by CFLAGS on some archs. If CFLAGS only

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this policy doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports about LDFLAGS being ignored are usually fixed, so I ask for the formal enacting of this policy. Why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 21:35:08 Donnie Berkholz napisał(a): On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this policy doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports about LDFLAGS being ignored are usually fixed,

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:37:06 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this policy doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports about LDFLAGS being ignored are usually fixed, so I ask for the formal

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le samedi 26 juillet 2008 à 21:39 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis a écrit : 2008-07-26 21:35:08 Donnie Berkholz napisał(a): On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this policy

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Samstag, 26. Juli 2008, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Why are you asking us? He's the QA lead, you should be talking with the QA team about this. Such issues are not up to a self chosen group, but are topic for this list. Carsten signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Samstag, 26. Juli 2008, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: Um, this already is the policy. We've always fixed bug reports about LDFLAGS being ignored. Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this policy doesn't exist. I understand that bug reports about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-26 23:43:53 Gilles Dartiguelongue napisał(a): Le samedi 26 juillet 2008 à 21:39 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis a écrit : 2008-07-26 21:35:08 Donnie Berkholz napisał(a): On 18:37 Sat 26 Jul , Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2008-07-27 00:00:55 Carsten Lohrke napisał(a): On Samstag, 26. Juli 2008, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: Um, this already is the policy. We've always fixed bug reports about LDFLAGS being ignored. Mark Loeser (Halcy0n) (QA project leader) said on 2008-07-24 that this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:00:55 +0200 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Afaik it has always been the way that *sane* LDFLAGS are to be respected, but exceptions exist of course and it's up to the maintainer to mangle or clear your LDFLAGS, if deemed necessary. I'd like to know, why Mark

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:00:55 +0200 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Afaik it has always been the way that *sane* LDFLAGS are to be respected, but exceptions exist of course and it's up to the maintainer to mangle or clear your LDFLAGS, if deemed necessary. I'd like

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le dimanche 27 juillet 2008 à 02:12 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras a écrit : Not that I have ever seen a package that breaks with --as-needed though. Of course that's just me.) ahah ! now I have an example for you, nemiver. It seems it does the module loading thingy that was brought up in the

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Ryan Hill
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:12:13 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I have ever seen a package that breaks with --as-needed though. Of course that's just me. Well, then, behold: http://tinyurl.com/5jvkm9 Now you have. Enjoy. :) -- gcc-porting,

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Ryan Hill wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 02:12:13 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I have ever seen a package that breaks with --as-needed though. Of course that's just me. Well, then, behold: http://tinyurl.com/5jvkm9 Now you have. Enjoy. :) Then I must be lucky. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-26 Thread Jeremy Olexa
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: It will at least allow QA team to fix such bugs where patches are already available. So, if bugs are being fixed why is there a need to fix something that isn't broken with regards to a policy _needed_ to enforce this action? Are bugs being ignored

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-25 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Le jeudi 24 juillet 2008 à 18:36 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis a écrit : I would like to suggest new policy stating that packages should respect LDFLAGS. Small amount of packages which ignore LDFLAGS should be patched to respect them. Such patches are

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-25 Thread Duncan
Nikos Chantziaras [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:54:07 +0300: Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Le jeudi 24 juillet 2008 à 18:36 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis a écrit : I would like to suggest new policy stating that packages

[gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-25 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
Duncan wrote: Nikos Chantziaras [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:54:07 +0300: Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: Le jeudi 24 juillet 2008 à 18:36 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis a écrit : I would like to suggest new policy stating that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-25 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:15:03 + (UTC) Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In particular, --as-needed makes a HUGE very practical difference. It may or may not be the wrong answer to the problem in theory, but lacking anything even close to as workable right now, that alone is IMO reason enough

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] New policy: LDFLAGS should be respected

2008-07-25 Thread Mart Raudsepp
On L, 2008-07-26 at 03:39 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Fortunately, the majority of ebuilds/packages are honoring LDFLAGS. Of course it's kinda difficult to always check if a package honors it or not. But it's a good idea to file a bug for every package that does not honor it (without