Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-07 Thread Markos Chandras
On Monday 05 April 2010 21:51:34 Nathan Zachary wrote: On 05/04/10 11:07, Jon Portnoy wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the some

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 03:33:52 +0200 Tobias Heinlein keytoas...@gentoo.org wrote: 3) Questions that aren't that important at all and would just be nice to know. [snip] Examples for these: 5. What is wrong with using $(somecommand) or `somecommand` or $ARCH inside SRC_URI, DEPEND, etc?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:48:08AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 03:33:52 +0200 Tobias Heinlein keytoas...@gentoo.org wrote: 3) Questions that aren't that important at all and would just be nice to know. [snip] Examples for these: 5. What is wrong with using

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/05/2010 05:36 AM, Alistair Bush wrote: On 4/3/10 3:40 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: Are there any other ideas on how to improve our recruitment process? The idea appeared before, but I think it's worth noting. Either merge the ebuild and end quizzes, or make the split actually meaningful.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Richard Freeman
On 04/05/2010 03:48 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 03:33:52 +0200 Tobias Heinleinkeytoas...@gentoo.org wrote: 3) Questions that aren't that important at all and would just be nice to know. [snip] Examples for these: 5. What is wrong with using $(somecommand) or `somecommand`

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Jon Portnoy
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the some important questions are too hard to answer dilemma that can be implemented relatively fast. On top

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 04:07:01PM +, Jon Portnoy wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the some important questions are too hard

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread George Prowse
On 05/04/2010 17:07, Jon Portnoy wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the some important questions are too hard to answer dilemma that can be

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/05/2010 09:26 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: The first option could be somewhat simple, we already have overlays so those could simply be used. The second option (which would be the best IMO) is a fair bit harder. The first thing that needs to be done is find out why people don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Jon Portnoy
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 05:50:49PM +0100, George Prowse wrote: That assumes the system is working perfectly and the whole fact that we are having this discussion would go against that. From what i've read in the community, lots of people would have no problems helping out maintaining

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Jon Portnoy av...@eris.oppresses.us wrote: Which is all well and good -- the you wrote some ebuilds so here's your commit privs and @gentoo.org approach to recruitment worked great when Gentoo had a few dozen developers. Today QA is a bit more important, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Nathan Zachary
On 05/04/10 11:07, Jon Portnoy wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 08:50:49AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote: Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the some important questions are too hard to answer dilemma that

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Nathan Zachary nathanzach...@gentoo.org wrote: [...] but it would be much more enlightening to me to work on creating ebuilds while working one-on-one with a mentor. The whole purpose of the training period between the ebuild quiz and the end quiz (see [1]) is

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-05 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05-04-2010 18:26, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 04:07:01PM +, Jon Portnoy wrote: There should be a process of weeding out developers that bitch and/or whine, but if most of the teams are understaffed then there has to

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-04 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/04/2010 12:48 AM, Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 04/03/10 21:00, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: Maybe if we could find the way to make the knowledge found in quizzes be more exciting to new devs, then we could still have a strong recruitment process without the burden of completing the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-04 Thread basile
Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 04/03/10 21:00, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: Maybe if we could find the way to make the knowledge found in quizzes be more exciting to new devs, then we could still have a strong recruitment process without the burden of completing the quizzes. So, what I

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-04 Thread Ben de Groot
On 4 April 2010 11:43, Petteri Räty betelge...@gentoo.org wrote: Mentors can already suggest their students to do them in reverse order. As always patches to separate technical and organizational stuff to their own quizzes are accepted. My time on recruiting is quite maxed out already. Doing

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-04 Thread Alistair Bush
On 4/3/10 3:40 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: Are there any other ideas on how to improve our recruitment process? The idea appeared before, but I think it's worth noting. Either merge the ebuild and end quizzes, or make the split actually meaningful. In my case I just finished both at the same

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-04 Thread Eray Aslan
Just replying randomly. On 05.04.2010 04:33, Tobias Heinlein wrote: I think this is a good starting point to get rid of the some important questions are too hard to answer dilemma that can be implemented relatively fast. On top of that I like Sebastian's idea to order the quizzes by

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 4/3/10 3:40 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: Are there any other ideas on how to improve our recruitment process? The idea appeared before, but I think it's worth noting. Either merge the ebuild and end quizzes, or make the split actually meaningful. In my case I just finished both at the same time,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread George Prowse
On 03/04/2010 14:40, Ben de Groot wrote: On 3 April 2010 13:33, Richard Freemanri...@gentoo.org wrote: I really think that the Gentoo recruitment process needs improvement. Right now it seems like a LOT of effort is required both to become a Gentoo dev and to help somebody become a Gentoo dev.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/03/2010 04:40 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: Another problem I see is that our documentation seems to be scattered all over the place. I propose that we make at least one portal page for (prospective) developers that will link them to all the resources they might need. It also means our

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread Petteri Räty
On 04/03/2010 04:53 PM, George Prowse wrote: Armed with a list of where developers are spread too thinly, a willingness to answer questions (no matter how stupid you believe them to be) and some prior organisation then i see no reason why Gentoo wouldn't get an immediate influx of at least

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread George Prowse
On 03/04/2010 15:05, Petteri Räty wrote: On 04/03/2010 04:53 PM, George Prowse wrote: Armed with a list of where developers are spread too thinly, a willingness to answer questions (no matter how stupid you believe them to be) and some prior organisation then i see no reason why Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek)
Hi guys, On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 3 April 2010 13:33, Richard Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I really think that the Gentoo recruitment process needs improvement. Right now it seems like a LOT of effort is required both to become a Gentoo dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 04/03/10 16:05, Petteri Räty wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/staffing-needs/ I don't know if developers know that this page is autogenerated from individual project pages these days so it's easy for any developer to get stuff there. Has anyone every tried to read that page?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] recruitment process

2010-04-03 Thread Sebastian Pipping
On 04/03/10 21:00, Jesus Rivero (Neurogeek) wrote: Maybe if we could find the way to make the knowledge found in quizzes be more exciting to new devs, then we could still have a strong recruitment process without the burden of completing the quizzes. So, what I propose is to transform the