On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:06:45 +0100, Lowe Schmidt wrote:
> The scenario is a bit bizarre I'd say.
It's hyperbole, definitely, but meant to illustrate that more users is
good. Oh well.
> On Jan 18, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Thufir wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:04:46 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
The scenario is a bit bizarre I'd say.
On Jan 18, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Thufir wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:04:46 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Nope. The Ubuntu developers would probably just carry on doing
what they
doing now - developing on Ubuntu. What makes you think they'd change?
They w
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:04:46 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Nope. The Ubuntu developers would probably just carry on doing what they
> doing now - developing on Ubuntu. What makes you think they'd change?
They would continue to develop it even if *no-one*, outside of the
developers, used it? We
On Friday 18 January 2008, Thufir wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:00:51 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >> Let's turn this around: if Gentoo were to attract a larger user
> >> base I posit that this would attract more developers.
> >
> > How do you draw that conclusion? How would attracting users who
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:00:51 +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> Let's turn this around: if Gentoo were to attract a larger user base I
>> posit that this would attract more developers.
>
> How do you draw that conclusion? How would attracting users who are
> unwilling to read documentation and get th
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:10:01 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> Let's turn this around: if Gentoo were to attract a larger user base I
>> posit that this would attract more developers.
>
> Who says Gentoo does not already have a large user base consisting of
> exactly the kind of users that are idea
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:44:12 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote:
> Uhm, why? Sabayon is a distribution of itself. Sure, it's based on
> Gentoo, but it certainly has its own "vision" and thus also its own
> userbase. The userbase of Gentoo and Sabayon don't have to be identical.
> What works for them,
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:19:48 + (UTC), Thufir wrote:
> Let's turn this around: if Gentoo were to attract a larger user base I
> posit that this would attract more developers.
How do you draw that conclusion? How would attracting users who are
unwilling to read documentation and get their hand
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:27:03 + (UTC), Thufir wrote:
> > http://marc.info
>
> I prefer:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/topics
What's wrong with http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/ ?
--
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Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thursday 17 January 2008, Thufir wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:33:32 +, Qian Qiao wrote:
>>
>>> What extra do you archieve if you install your Gentoo from a Gentoo
>>> LiveCD instead of a Knoppix CD? None!
>>>
>>> Stop binding you mind to the concept that
Thufir wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:17:11 +, Qian Qiao wrote:
>
>
>
>> I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client cannot
>> render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people on the list
>> have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post in plain text,
Thufir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:58:15 -0200, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
>
>> I completely agree with Alan, Gentoo is a metadistro, and it provides
>> (by Handbook) a LOT of ways to install,
>
> Ok, but I would like to see all those sabayon users taken into the fold.
Uhm,
On Thursday 17 January 2008, Thufir wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:33:32 +, Qian Qiao wrote:
> > What extra do you archieve if you install your Gentoo from a Gentoo
> > LiveCD instead of a Knoppix CD? None!
> >
> > Stop binding you mind to the concept that "I have to install a
> > Gentoo from
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:07:34 +0100, Galevsky wrote:
> Because I want. It is sufficient for me. Further details ? I would like
> to bring the excitation to burn a Gentoo CD to noobs and people that are
> pleased to get their CD from Gentoo world. And I want a liveCD to make
> live demo in my linux
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:30:07 +0100, Pongracz Istvan wrote:
> So, it is possible to create your own livecd at any time, just start to
> play with catalyst
Not that I want to beat a dead horse, but this doesn't follow for me. If
catalyst is so fantastic at creating live cd's, why isn't it used
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:17:11 +, Qian Qiao wrote:
> I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client cannot
> render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people on the list
> have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post in plain text,
> at least in this list.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:58:15 -0200, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> I completely agree with Alan, Gentoo is a metadistro, and it provides
> (by Handbook) a LOT of ways to install,
Ok, but I would like to see all those sabayon users taken into the fold.
-Thufir
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:12:34 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
>> Is there a place where we can conveniently read this list, and not have
>> posting privileges?
>>
>> An archive list server or such?
>>
>>
>> James
>
> http://marc.info
I prefer:
http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:33:32 +, Qian Qiao wrote:
> What extra do you archieve if you install your Gentoo from a Gentoo
> LiveCD instead of a Knoppix CD? None!
>
> Stop binding you mind to the concept that "I have to install a Gentoo
> from a Gentoo CD", it's not true, start looking at a broa
On Monday 14 January 2008, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> > Furthermore stage 1 is completely unsupported and for a very good
> > reason.
>
> Which good reason, Bo? You seem to know it, so maybe give a link
> somewhere; don't make us guess or search.
The vast unending stre
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> Furthermore stage 1 is completely unsupported and for a very good
> reason.
Which good reason, Bo? You seem to know it, so maybe give a link
somewhere; don't make us guess or search.
Benno
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Shaochun Wang wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 07:25:55AM -0600, Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote:
distros. I do find these other methods of install to be interesting though.
Has anyone on this list ever used a PXE boot image to install?
In fact, the Gentoo system of my current desktop machine was install
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:03:10 +0100, Pongracz Istvan wrote:
> After reading lot of posts regarding install cd, I decided, I will
> create livecd for install purposes, with: - handbook
> - fresh stage3 for i686
> - portage snapshot
>
> I will try to keep it up-to-date.
>
> Anyway, I'm not a dev m
On Monday 14 January 2008 10:48:08 Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> > > You can use Daniel Robbins' stage3s:
> >
> > Why should I? They're likely also built with different use flags than
> > the ones I use. Thus I will end up recompiling anyway.
>
> Ah ok, I wrongly thought yours was more a problem of outdat
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Etaoin Shrdlu:
> > You can use Daniel Robbins' stage3s:
>
> Why should I? They're likely also built with different use flags than
> the ones I use. Thus I will end up recompiling anyway.
Ah ok, I wrongly though
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 07:25:55AM -0600, Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote:
> distros. I do find these other methods of install to be interesting though.
> Has anyone on this list ever used a PXE boot image to install?
>
In fact, the Gentoo system of my current desktop machine was installed
by using PXE boot
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:46:18 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > Except that you can use the system while it is recompiling.
>
> I can also use the system while doing a stage1 install. Depends on the
> capabilities of the install CD you use.
In that case, you're using the live CD system, not the
Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Etaoin Shrdlu:
> You can use Daniel Robbins' stage3s:
Why should I? They're likely also built with different use flags than the ones
I use. Thus I will end up recompiling anyway. Updating the compiler
recompiled a couple dozen packages before. With a stage1 i
Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> Except that you can use the system while it is recompiling.
I can also use the system while doing a stage1 install. Depends on the
capabilities of the install CD you use.
Bye...
Dirk
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Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> IIRC, they were removed because being in the official handbook, people
> used them. Then caused endless traffic on endless forums and lists when
> they did it wrong (mostly because they didn't know enough yet about the
> process and followed bad
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> And while where at it: Get those stage1 installs back into the
> Handbook. I did a stage3 install 2 weeks ago and it was a nightmare.
> One needs to recompile nearly everything afterwards, so stage3 doesn't
> make any difference.
You can use Dani
Alan McKinnon schrieb:
> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Norman Rieß wrote:
>
>> I have installed Gentoo in many ways, the old UniversalCD, the
>> LiveCD, others Distros LiveCD's, from a working Gentooinstallation to
>> a usb-connected drive which was transferred to boot in a old laptop
>> and so on.
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Norman Rieß wrote:
> I have installed Gentoo in many ways, the old UniversalCD, the
> LiveCD, others Distros LiveCD's, from a working Gentooinstallation to
> a usb-connected drive which was transferred to boot in a old laptop
> and so on. But i still think a Gentoo-Instal
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:06:39 +0100, b.n. wrote:
> Because you don't have to add *anything* to such cd.
> -What do you need to install Gentoo? A working Linux live cd with a
> terminal and chroot.
> -Are a terminal and chroot available on 99.9% of Linux live cds in the
> world? Yes.
You also need
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:35:55 +0100, b.n. wrote:
> > But i still think a Gentoo-Install-CD/DVD is a good thing.
>
> Any practical reason for that?
It is a lot more comfortable for the first-time installer. One of the
problems with mixing components for various sources is knowing where to
turn f
David Relson wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:25:55 -0600
Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote:
...[snip]...
You are missing the point of Gentoo then. We are NOT a binary distro
(to repeat ad nauseum). If you want that kind of install, please
change distros. I do find these other methods of install to be
inter
Norman Rieß wrote:
> b.n. schrieb:
>> Norman Rieß ha scritto:
>>
>>
>>> I have installed Gentoo in many ways, the old UniversalCD, the LiveCD,
>>> others Distros LiveCD's, from a working Gentooinstallation to a
>>> usb-connected drive which was transferred to boot in a old laptop and so on.
>>>
b.n. schrieb:
> Norman Rieß ha scritto:
>
>
>> I have installed Gentoo in many ways, the old UniversalCD, the LiveCD,
>> others Distros LiveCD's, from a working Gentooinstallation to a
>> usb-connected drive which was transferred to boot in a old laptop and so on.
>> But i still think a Gentoo-I
Norman Rieß ha scritto:
> I have installed Gentoo in many ways, the old UniversalCD, the LiveCD,
> others Distros LiveCD's, from a working Gentooinstallation to a
> usb-connected drive which was transferred to boot in a old laptop and so on.
> But i still think a Gentoo-Install-CD/DVD is a good th
Alan McKinnon schrieb:
> On Saturday 12 January 2008, Qian Qiao wrote:
>
>> I can understand why you guys think we are so compelled to have a
>> Gentoo LiveCD, because every other OS does, and to be honest, that is
>> exactly the reason that stops you guys thinking out of the box, in
>> what way
James ha scritto:
> OK, fine, then why doesn't of the persons that says it so easy, just take
> a GRMl (or whatever) cd and add the minimal (non gui) stuff to the same
> cd and make a simple to use 'install cd' for gentoo that is unofficial?
Because you don't have to add *anything* to such cd.
-
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:08:43 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> And while where at it: Get those stage1 installs back into the
> Handbook. I did a stage3 install 2 weeks ago and it was a nightmare.
> One needs to recompile nearly everything afterwards, so stage3 doesn't
> make any difference.
Except
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> And while where at it: Get those stage1 installs back into the
> Handbook. I did a stage3 install 2 weeks ago and it was a nightmare.
> One needs to recompile nearly everything afterwards, so stage3
> doesn't make any difference.
IIRC, they were
Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> On Saturday 12 January 2008, James wrote:
> > > As far as I'm concerned, the Gentoo install CD could easily be
> > > dropped without a loss.
> >
> > Well, I differ with this statement 100%. What, IMHO, needs to
> > happened is the whole install p
· James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Michael Schmarck habmalnefrage.de> writes:
>
>
>> Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. I
>> also don't quite understand, why anyone would need such a beast.
>
> Folks new to gentoo, would find it suspicious, for a distro not to hav
On Saturday 12 January 2008, James wrote:
> > As far as I'm concerned, the Gentoo install CD could easily be
> > dropped without a loss.
>
> Well, I differ with this statement 100%. What, IMHO, needs to
> happened is the whole install process be changed to a minimal working
> kernel and basic tools
On Saturday 12 January 2008, Qian Qiao wrote:
> I can understand why you guys think we are so compelled to have a
> Gentoo LiveCD, because every other OS does, and to be honest, that is
> exactly the reason that stops you guys thinking out of the box, in
> what way is being able to install Gentoo f
On Jan 12, 2008 12:52 PM, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Schmarck habmalnefrage.de> writes:
>
>
> > Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. I
> > also don't quite understand, why anyone would need such a beast.
>
> Folks new to gentoo, would find it suspicio
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> Is it gentoo's goal to make the installation difficult so only a select
> group can do the install? Or is the goal to make gentoo a great
> distro? In the latter case, why not make the installation easy?
The installation isn't
On Samstag, 12. Januar 2008, James wrote:
> Daniel Pielmeier googlemail.com> writes:
> > Again i recommend join gentoo-dev and you will see what is going on!
>
> Excellent idea.
>
> Is there a place where we can conveniently read this list, and not have
> posting privileges?
>
> An archive list se
Michael Schmarck habmalnefrage.de> writes:
> Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. I
> also don't quite understand, why anyone would need such a beast.
Folks new to gentoo, would find it suspicious, for a distro not to have
it's own install. Other forks of Gen
· James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Daniel Pielmeier googlemail.com> writes:
>
>
>> Again i recommend join gentoo-dev and you will see what is going on!
>
> Excellent idea.
>
> Is there a place where we can conveniently read this list, and not have
> posting privileges?
>
> An archive list server
· Galevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Jan 11, 2008 8:08 PM, Michael Schmarck
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > GRML ? Knoppix ? other LiveCD ? What for, man ?
>>
>> Oh, quite easy - to install Gentoo. That way, the knowledge of experts
>> in creating live CDs is leveraged. NIH is not a good point o
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:59:52 + (UTC)
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Daniel Pielmeier googlemail.com> writes:
>
>
> > Again i recommend join gentoo-dev and you will see what is going on!
>
> Excellent idea.
>
> Is there a place where we can conveniently read this list, and not
> have p
Daniel Pielmeier googlemail.com> writes:
> Again i recommend join gentoo-dev and you will see what is going on!
Excellent idea.
Is there a place where we can conveniently read this list, and not have
posting privileges?
An archive list server or such?
James
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:25:55 -0600
Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote:
...[snip]...
> You are missing the point of Gentoo then. We are NOT a binary distro
> (to repeat ad nauseum). If you want that kind of install, please
> change distros. I do find these other methods of install to be
> interesting though.
Qian Qiao wrote:
> < SNIP >
>
> I myself have 3 machines, a Athlon64X2, a Core2 Duo and a Pentium III,
> I've used Gentoo minimal, Knoppix and Knoppix64 CDs during my
> installation on these 3 machines and I haven't encounter any problem
> using any of them, and that's why I said earlier in the thr
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> I installed Gentoo from inside Ubuntu 6.10 (my previous system) through
> chroot. This was because I couldn't use a LiveCD as I have an AMD64
> based system.
>
> Knoppix and many other LiveCDs are 32bit, as that is currently what a
I installed Gentoo from inside Ubuntu 6.10 (my previous system) through
chroot. This was because I couldn't use a LiveCD as I have an AMD64
based system.
Knoppix and many other LiveCDs are 32bit, as that is currently what a
majority of computers out there are. So, unless you can point me to a
64bi
Michael Schmarck schrieb:
> · Norman Rieß <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>> Right, basicly telling people "You have to depend on / use other distros
>> to install our OS, cause we are not able to / don´t have time to provide
>> this" sounds a little fishy. It makes Gentoo look incomplete.
>>
>
>
· Norman Rieß <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Right, basicly telling people "You have to depend on / use other distros
> to install our OS, cause we are not able to / don´t have time to provide
> this" sounds a little fishy. It makes Gentoo look incomplete.
Well, but providing outdated (ie. non-usable for
· Daniel da Veiga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> CD drive. I believe you can even exchange CDs to use the old install
> CD while booting from another
Depends...
With GRML and Knoppix, there's a "toram" (or something like that)
kernel parameter, which copies the CD (in compressed form) to RAM.
Only then
On Friday 11 January 2008, Qian Qiao wrote:
> ack to the installation CD issue, undoubtably, having a nice working
> installation CD for gentoo is desirable, but is it really needed? We
> are here to do what we are best at.
>
> LiveCD creators, Knoppix, for example, are good at creating liveCDs
> a
YoYo Siska wrote:
Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote:
Has anyone on this list ever used a PXE boot image to install?
well, not exactly a PXE boot image... i had to install gentoo on
thinkpad X41T (no cd) some time ago, and I wasn't able to boot from usb
directly ( don't really remember why ;) so i dumped
Galevsky wrote:
On Jan 11, 2008 2:25 PM, Eddie Mihalow Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
You are missing the point of Gentoo then. We are NOT a binary distro (to
repeat ad nauseum). If you want that kind of install, please change
distros. I do find these other methods of install to be interesting tho
Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote:
> Has anyone on this list ever used a PXE boot image to install?
>
well, not exactly a PXE boot image... i had to install gentoo on
thinkpad X41T (no cd) some time ago, and I wasn't able to boot from usb
directly ( don't really remember why ;) so i dumped the minimal cd on
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Galevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> With just sources, you can't do anything. Even when you built your LFS
> you have to download first you toolchain as binaries, before
> re-compilation. To compile a compiler...
On Jan 11, 2008 2:25 PM, Eddie Mihalow Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> You are missing the point of Gentoo then. We are NOT a binary distro (to
> repeat ad nauseum). If you want that kind of install, please change
> distros. I do find these other methods of install to be interesting though.
> Has an
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:15:49 -0500
David Relson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I used the Gentoo LiveCD when I started with Gentoo in 2006. Prior
> Linux experience covered 8 or so years with Slackware, RedHat, and
> Mandrake.
>
> The installation was
Galevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 11, 2008 10:38 AM, Dirk Heinrichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Shaochun Wang:
>>
>> > Currently, Gentoo has not updated
>> > its installation CD for a long time!
>>
>> They don't need to. One week ago I used a
David Relson wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:02:08 +0100
Michael Schmarck wrote:
Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe you joke will become the truth. Currently, Gentoo has not
updated its installation CD for a long time!
Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gen
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:02:08 +0100
Michael Schmarck wrote:
> Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Maybe you joke will become the truth. Currently, Gentoo has not
> > updated its installation CD for a long time!
>
> Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. I
>
On Jan 11, 2008 11:02 AM, Michael Schmarck
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. I
> also don't quite understand, why anyone would need such a beast. To
> install Gentoo, I'd boot my favorite "re
Daniel Pielmeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gentoo does not need any kind of installation CD. You can use other
> Live CD's for installing Gentoo if you have hardware which is not
> supported by the latest Gentoo Release.
Absolutely correct! It would be good, though, if "them Gentoo folks"
woul
Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe you joke will become the truth. Currently, Gentoo has not updated
> its installation CD for a long time!
Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. I
also don't quite understand, why anyone would need such a beast. To
inst
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