Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re-run grub-install to update installed boot code!

Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2024-02-17, Dale wrote: >> Grant Edwards wrote: >>> Today's routine update says: >>> >>> Re-run grub-install to update installed boot code! >>> >>> Is "sudo grub-install" really all I have to do? [...] >>> >>> Or do I have to run grub-install with all the same

[gentoo-user] Re: Re-run grub-install to update installed boot code!

On 2024-02-17, Dale wrote: > Grant Edwards wrote: >> Today's routine update says: >> >> Re-run grub-install to update installed boot code! >> >> Is "sudo grub-install" really all I have to do? [...] >> >> Or do I have to run grub-install with all the same options that >> were originally used

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

Rich Freeman wrote: > emerge --sync works just fine if > there are uncommitted changes in your repository, whether they are > indexed or otherwise. You are right. It seems to be somewhat "random" when git pull refuses to work and when not. I could not detect a common scheme. Maybe this has

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:28 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > It's the *history* of the metadata which matters here: You make a reasonable point here. > > "The council does not require that ChangeLogs be generated or > > distributed through the rsync system. It is at the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

Rich Freeman wrote: >> I was speaking about gentoo's git repository, of course >> (the one which was attacked on github), not about a Frankensteined one >> with metadata history filling megabytes of disk space unnecessarily. >> Who has that much disk space to waste? > > Doesn't portage create

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:29 PM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:34 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: > >> > >> Biggest issue is that git signature happens by the developer who > >> last commited which means that in practice you need dozens/hundreds > >> of keys. > >

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:51 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: >> Davyd McColl wrote: >> >> > I ask because prior to the GitHub incident, I didn't have signature >> > verification enabled >> >> Currently, it is not practical to change this, see my other posting. > > You clearly don't

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:34 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: >> >> Biggest issue is that git signature happens by the developer who >> last commited which means that in practice you need dozens/hundreds >> of keys. > > This is untrue. [...] > It will, of course, not work on the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:34 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > Biggest issue with git signature verification is that right now it > > will still do a full pull/checkout before verifying > > Biggest issue is that git signature happens by the developer who > last commited which

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 1:51 AM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Davyd McColl wrote: > > > I ask because prior to the GitHub incident, I didn't have signature > > verification enabled > > Currently, it is not practical to change this, see my other posting. > You clearly don't understand what it actually

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

Davyd McColl wrote: > @Rich: if I understand the process correctly, the same commits are > pushed to infra and GitHub by the CI bot? Yes, the repositories are always identical (up to a few seconds delay). > I ask because prior to the GitHub incident, I didn't have signature > verification

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[2]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

Rich Freeman wrote: > > git has the advantage that it can just read the current HEAD and from > that know exactly what commits are missing, so there is way less > effort spent figuring out what changed. I don't know the exact protocol, but I would assume that git is even more efficient: I would

[gentoo-user] Re: Re[4]: Re: Portage, git and shallow cloning

Rich Freeman wrote: > > Biggest issue with git signature verification is that right now it > will still do a full pull/checkout before verifying Biggest issue is that git signature happens by the developer who last commited which means that in practice you need dozens/hundreds of keys. No

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: SMTP on Kmail-4.14.10 does not work without kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1

Mick wrote: > On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 16:56:21 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Mick wrote: >> > On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 13:21:56 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> >> > Yes, this seems to be the problem. Starting Kmail does not launch >> >> > kwalletd5 and as a consequence kmail starts asking for each email >> >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: SMTP on Kmail-4.14.10 does not work without kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1

On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 16:56:21 Jörg Schaible wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 13:21:56 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> > Yes, this seems to be the problem. Starting Kmail does not launch > >> > kwalletd5 and as a consequence kmail starts asking for each email > >> > account password

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: SMTP on Kmail-4.14.10 does not work without kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1

Mick wrote: > On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 13:21:56 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> > Yes, this seems to be the problem. Starting Kmail does not launch >> > kwalletd5 and as a consequence kmail starts asking for each email >> > account password separately. >> > >> > I guess until kmail:5 is installed I will

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: SMTP on Kmail-4.14.10 does not work without kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1

On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 13:21:56 Jörg Schaible wrote: > > Yes, this seems to be the problem. Starting Kmail does not launch > > kwalletd5 and as a consequence kmail starts asking for each email account > > password separately. > > > > I guess until kmail:5 is installed I will have to start

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: SMTP on Kmail-4.14.10 does not work without kde-apps/kwalletd-16.04.3-r1

Hi Mick, Mick wrote: > On Thursday 08 Jun 2017 02:04:44 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Mick wrote: >> > On Tuesday 06 Jun 2017 16:35:40 you wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I've updated a number of kde (plasma) packages, including kde- >> >> frameworks/kwallet-5.34.0-r1. A depclean action wanted to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

On Wednesday 24 May 2017 08:58:53 Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 23 May 2017 23:16:48 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > I, too, was affected by this. I did the libstdc++ rebuild after > > upgrading > > gcc (some 550 packages) a while back and now I was hit by the Qt > > problem, > > so another

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

On Tuesday 23 May 2017 23:16:48 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 09:49:01AM +0200, Jörg Schaible wrote: > > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > well, this does not seem to be the complete truth. When I switched to > > gcc > > 5.x I did a revdep-rebuild for anything

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 09:49:01AM +0200, Jörg Schaible wrote: > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > [snip] > > well, this does not seem to be the complete truth. When I switched to gcc > 5.x I did a revdep-rebuild for anything that was compiled against > libstdc++.so.6 just like the according news entry

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Monday 22 May 2017 09:49:01 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> Peter Humphrey wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> > Have you seen https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595618 ? It says >> > that "Qt plugins compiled with gcc-4 are incompatible with >> > > > be >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

On Monday 22 May 2017 09:49:01 Jörg Schaible wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > [snip] > > > Have you seen https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595618 ? It says > > that "Qt plugins compiled with gcc-4 are incompatible with > > > be > > expected to anticipate that. On the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Qt-4.8.7 bug

Hi Peter, Peter Humphrey wrote: [snip] > Have you seen https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=595618 ? It says > that "Qt plugins compiled with gcc-4 are incompatible with > expected to anticipate that. On the other hand, some kind of notice could > be issued, and bug 618922 is pursuing that.

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flashing hardware via WINE ?

tu...@posteo.de wrote: [snip] > Hi Kai (that's a rhyme! :) > > I have installed Virtualbox already and use the Linux Image I > installed there for banking purposes only. Feels more secure. > > I would prefer the WIndows-in-a-(virtual)box-solution) as you > do -- if I would own a Windows

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

Mick wrote: > On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 01:33:24 Dale wrote: >> Mick wrote: >>> On Friday 03 Feb 2017 22:00:11 Dale wrote: Jörg Schaible wrote: > Dale wrote: > > [snip] > >> Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol > Hehe. > >> I thought about it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 01:33:24 Dale wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On Friday 03 Feb 2017 22:00:11 Dale wrote: > >> Jörg Schaible wrote: > >>> Dale wrote: > >>> > >>> [snip] > >>> > Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol > >>> > >>> Hehe. > >>> > I thought about it after I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

Mick wrote: > On Friday 03 Feb 2017 22:00:11 Dale wrote: >> Jörg Schaible wrote: >>> Dale wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol >>> Hehe. >>> I thought about it after I hit send but figured you would get the thought, maybe you had one or

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

On Friday 03 Feb 2017 22:00:11 Dale wrote: > Jörg Schaible wrote: > > Dale wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > >> Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol > > > > Hehe. > > > >> I thought about it after I hit send but figured you would get the > >> thought, maybe you had one or the other

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

Jörg Schaible wrote: > Dale wrote: > > [snip] > >> Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol > Hehe. > >> I thought about it after I hit send but figured you would get the >> thought, maybe you had one or the other in a mask/unmask file or >> something that resulted in a conflict?

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

Dale wrote: [snip] > Portage lock? Sometimes, my brain does that too. lol Hehe. > I thought about it after I hit send but figured you would get the > thought, maybe you had one or the other in a mask/unmask file or > something that resulted in a conflict? I was sort of thinking it but >

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: boost-1.62.0-r1 blocked by nothing ??

Hi Neil, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 14:47:29 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> > now I have an emerge mystery myself: It claims boost is blocked >> > by ... nothing. >> >> Same here. I don't know why, but the way I solved it is by unmerging >> boost and then trying the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

Mick wrote: > On Thursday 15 Dec 2016 14:02:39 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Mick wrote: >> > On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> >> Mick wrote: >> >> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >> >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

On Thursday 15 Dec 2016 14:02:39 Jörg Schaible wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> Mick wrote: > >> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > >> >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all kwallet-4 based apps

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

On Thursday 15 Dec 2016 11:58:06 J. Roeleveld wrote: > On December 15, 2016 7:23:21 AM GMT+01:00, Mick wrote: > >On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> Mick wrote: > >> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > >>

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

Mick wrote: > On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Mick wrote: >> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> [snip] >> >> >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all kwallet-4 based apps will >> >> fail. At least until 5.7. I've not tested 5.8 yet. >> >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

On December 15, 2016 7:23:21 AM GMT+01:00, Mick wrote: >On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Mick wrote: >> > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> [snip] >> >> >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all kwallet-4 based apps

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

On Wednesday 14 Dec 2016 09:08:11 Jörg Schaible wrote: > Mick wrote: > > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: > [snip] > > >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all kwallet-4 based apps will > >> fail. At least until 5.7. I've not tested 5.8 yet. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Jörg

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

Mick wrote: > On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: [snip] >> No, that's the point: If you enable it, all kwallet-4 based apps will >> fail. At least until 5.7. I've not tested 5.8 yet. >> >> Cheers, >> Jörg > > This is what works here without any problems: [snip] Well, for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

On Tuesday 13 Dec 2016 11:35:33 Jörg Schaible wrote: > J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:10:31 AM Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> > Hello list, > >> > > >> > Until this morning I've had no real problems with KMail and co. for > >> > quite a while, but

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: KWallet doesn't recognise my password

J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:10:31 AM Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Peter Humphrey wrote: >> > Hello list, >> > >> > Until this morning I've had no real problems with KMail and co. for >> > quite a while, but something's upset the wallet system so that my >> > password is no

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: KDE 5: Broken file protocol for KDE 4 apps

Hi, P Levine wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Jörg Schaible > wrote: >> Anyone? After upgrading a second machine to KDE/Plasma 5, I have the same >> behavior there. All KDE-4-based apps fail to interact with the file >> system. Using KMail I can no longer add any

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: KDE 5: Broken file protocol for KDE 4 apps

Michael Mol wrote: > On Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:54:48 PM Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Anyone? After upgrading a second machine to KDE/Plasma 5, I have the same >> behavior there. All KDE-4-based apps fail to interact with the file >> system. Using KMail I can no longer add any attachment to an

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Partition of 3TB USB drive not detected

Hi Mick Mick wrote: > On Sunday 31 Jul 2016 22:38:22 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Hi Mick, >> >> Mick wrote: >> > On Sunday 31 Jul 2016 19:14:45 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> >> Hi Daniel, >> >> >> >> thanks for your response. >> >> >> >> Daniel Frey wrote: >> >> >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >> > I can only

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Partition of 3TB USB drive not detected

On Sunday 31 Jul 2016 22:38:22 Jörg Schaible wrote: > Hi Mick, > > Mick wrote: > > On Sunday 31 Jul 2016 19:14:45 Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> Hi Daniel, > >> > >> thanks for your response. > >> > >> Daniel Frey wrote: > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >> > I can only think of two reasons, the kernel on

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Partition of 3TB USB drive not detected

james wrote: > On 07/31/2016 12:56 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Jörg Schaible wrote: >> >>> Hi Daniel, >>> >>> thanks for your response. >>> >>> Daniel Frey wrote: >>> >>> [snip] >>> I can only think of two reasons, the kernel on the livecd doesn't support GPT (which is unlikely) >>> >>>

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Partition of 3TB USB drive not detected

Hi Mick, Mick wrote: > On Sunday 31 Jul 2016 19:14:45 Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Hi Daniel, >> >> thanks for your response. >> >> Daniel Frey wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> > I can only think of two reasons, the kernel on the livecd doesn't >> > support GPT (which is unlikely) >> >> That would be

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Update blocked by kdebase-startkde:4

Daniel Frey wrote: > On 07/09/2016 07:08 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> Thanks Dan. I tried your package.mask and thought I was getting >> somewhere. But I had to add these to package.use (I have USE=-qt5 in >> make.conf): >> >> sys-auth/polkit-qt qt5 >> dev-libs/libdbusmenu-qt

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:48:48 +0100, Jörg Schaible wrote: >> > Hmmm. And how can you then ever use > >> > >> emerge --resume --skip-fist > >> > >> if not even the first build is deterministic? I skip the first > >> package anyway only if the problematic package is the first one to > >> build

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:48:48 +0100, Jörg Schaible wrote: > >>> > Hmmm. And how can you then ever use >> >> >> >> emerge --resume --skip-fist >> >> >> >> if not even the first build is deterministic? I skip the first >> >> package anyway only if the problematic package

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:35:14 +0100, Jörg Schaible wrote: > > Then use emerge --keep-going and portage will take care of skipping > > failing merges for you. > > Ah, no, that's not an option. It breaks for a reason. Sometimes I can > ignore that and look for it later and in this case I skip it,

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 12/11/2015 10:29, Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> On 11/11/2015 21:35, Walter Dnes wrote: Ongoing installation. I looked at 2 instances of "emerge -pv x11-base/xorg-server" and the order was somewhat different. Here are a couple of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

On 12/11/2015 10:48, Jörg Schaible wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 12/11/2015 10:29, Jörg Schaible wrote: >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> On 11/11/2015 21:35, Walter Dnes wrote: > Ongoing installation. I looked at 2 instances of > "emerge -pv x11-base/xorg-server" and the order

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Emerge order not deterministic !?

Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 12/11/2015 10:48, Jörg Schaible wrote: >> Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> On 12/11/2015 10:29, Jörg Schaible wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: [snip] Hmmm. And how can you then ever use emerge --resume --skip-fist if not even the first build is

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: dev-qt/qtwebkit-5.4.0

Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: On 05.02.2015 17:59, Michael Palimaka wrote: On 04/02/15 08:07, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 03.02.2015 um 20:30 schrieb Jörg Schaible: Consider a memcheck. Arbitrary failures while the CPU is high is often because some component starts dying. Sometimes

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: automated code validation

In order to catch up a bit since I wasn't subscribed to the mailing list with this email at the time I found this thread. If anything sounds odd, read through to the end. I'm trying to top reply so I'm leaving my 'backstory' till the end. Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

On 07/26/2014 11:25 PM, Dale wrote: Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On 07/26/2014 03:31 PM, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or some other package? chrony - no competition, even

[gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or some other package? chrony - no competition, even for servers. ntpd is way overrated, unnecessarily hard to setup correctly, fragile and contrary to popular belief

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

On 07/26/2014 03:31 PM, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or some other package? chrony - no competition, even for servers. ntpd is way overrated, unnecessarily hard to setup

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

On 07/26/2014 03:31 PM, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or some other package? chrony - no competition, even for servers. ntpd is way overrated, unnecessarily hard to setup

[gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 21:14:04 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: Is this gentoo wiki article still relevant when it comes to configuring chrony on gentoo? http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Chrony Or should I stick to the instructions given here: /usr/share/doc/chrony-1.29.1/chrony.txt.bz2 The wiki

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

On Saturday 26 July 2014 12:31:55 Holger Hoffstätte wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or some other package? chrony - no competition, even for servers. ntpd is way overrated, unnecessarily

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

On 07/26/2014 09:38 PM, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 21:14:04 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: Is this gentoo wiki article still relevant when it comes to configuring chrony on gentoo? http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Chrony Or should I stick to the instructions given here:

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

Alexander Kapshuk wrote: On 07/26/2014 03:31 PM, Holger Hoffstätte wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 15:05:23 +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote: Which NTPd package would the list recommend using, ntp, openntpd, or some other package? chrony - no competition, even for servers. ntpd is way overrated,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: re: which NTPd package to use?

On Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:10:12 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Chrony is maintained by Red Hat in cooperation with the timekeeping code in the kernel. I didn't know Red Hat had taken over its maintenance - thanks for the info. So the stories about Red Hat trying to force everyone to use

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo-user] kernel bug?

I start to use genkernel-next from the upgrade to gnome 3.12 with systemd. I must repeat: with kernel 3.12.13 no problem, with 3.12.2x kernel system block during the ramdisk loading. I see many discussion about this problem (many without solution again), but nothing to solve. Gentoo

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo-user] kernel bug?

Yes, genkernel-next should be used. look at the install gentoo gnome with systemd from scratch ( Sorry for currently I can not access Internet so can not provide your link) I have test genkernel-next with systemd (needed by GNOME 3.12)， all seems OK, with kernel version 3.15。 But now I am

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: [gentoo-dev] About DELL ALPS touchpad

definitely was set to y CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2_ALPS=y The touchpad was, but just basicly. So I want to full featured such as multi-touch and scroll 2014-07-04 Thanks Best Regards. 陶治江 | TAO Zhijiang 研发处 | SOHO国际产品线 发件人： Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn 发送时间： 2014-07-03 17:19:31 收件人：

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 02:38:51PM +0200, Kai Krakow wrote: Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi schrieb: That is why the possibility for 0 and 1 (after modulo 62) is twice as large compared to all other values (2-61). Ah, now I get it. By definition random means that the probability for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

On Jun 29, 2014, at 0:28, Kai Krakow hurikha...@gmail.com wrote: Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi schrieb: On Jun 27, 2014, at 0:00, Kai Krakow hurikha...@gmail.com wrote: Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi schrieb: If you are looking a mathematically perfect solution there is a simple

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi schrieb: On Jun 29, 2014, at 0:28, Kai Krakow hurikha...@gmail.com wrote: Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi schrieb: On Jun 27, 2014, at 0:00, Kai Krakow hurikha...@gmail.com wrote: Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi schrieb: If you are looking a

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi schrieb: On Jun 27, 2014, at 0:00, Kai Krakow hurikha...@gmail.com wrote: Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi schrieb: If you are looking a mathematically perfect solution there is a simple one even if your list is not in the power of 2! Take 6 bits at a time

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Kai Krakow hurikha...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] I cannot follow your reasoning here - but I'd like to learn. Actually, I ran this multiple times and never saw long sets of the same character, even no short sets of the same character. The 0 or 1 is always rolled

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

On Sat, Jun 28 2014, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: That doesn't matter. Take a non-negative integer N; if you flip a coin an infinite number of times, then the probability of the coin landing on the same face N times in a row is 1. This is certainly true. This means that it is *guaranteed* to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 7:37 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sat, Jun 28 2014, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: That doesn't matter. Take a non-negative integer N; if you flip a coin an infinite number of times, then the probability of the coin landing on the same face N times in a row is 1. This

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

thegeezer thegee...@thegeezer.net schrieb: On 06/26/2014 11:07 PM, Kai Krakow wrote: It is worth noting that my approach has the tendency of generating random characters in sequence. sorry but had to share this http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2001-10-25/ :-) I'm no mathematician, but

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Mapping random numbers (PRNG)

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 19:50:15 +0200, Kai Krakow wrote: You can actually learn from Dilbert comics. ;-) Unless you're a PHB, they never learn. -- Neil Bothwick You know how dumb the average person is? Well, statistically, half of them are even dumber than that - Lewton, P.I. signature.asc

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org schrieb: On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Kai Krakow hurikha...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see where you could lose the volume management features. You just add device on top of the bcache device after you initialized the raw device with a bcache superblock and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Kai Krakow hurikha...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure if multiple partitions can share the same cache device partition but more or less that's it: Initialize bcache, then attach your backing devices, then add those bcache devices to your btrfs. Ah, if you are

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org schrieb: On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Kai Krakow hurikha...@gmail.com wrote: And while we are at it, I'd also like to mention bcache. Tho, conversion is not straight forward. However, I'm going to try that soon for my spinning rust btrfs. I contemplated

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Kai Krakow hurikha...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see where you could lose the volume management features. You just add device on top of the bcache device after you initialized the raw device with a bcache superblock and attached it. The rest works the same, just

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org schrieb: On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: I found that fstrim can't work on f2fs file systems. I don't know whether discard works yet. Fstrim is to be preferred over discard in general. However, I suspect neither

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk schrieb: On Friday 20 June 2014 19:48:14 Kai Krakow wrote: microcai micro...@fedoraproject.org schrieb: rsync is doing bunch of 4k ramdon IO when updateing portage tree, that will kill SSDs with much higher Write Amplification Factror. I have a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: [Gentoo-User] emerge --sync likely to kill SSD?

On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Kai Krakow hurikha...@gmail.com wrote: And while we are at it, I'd also like to mention bcache. Tho, conversion is not straight forward. However, I'm going to try that soon for my spinning rust btrfs. I contemplated that, but I'd really like to see btrfs

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 18:33, Dale wrote: that gnome is very hostile when it comes to KDE or choice is not news. And their dependency on systemd is just the usual madness. But they

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On 11/10/2013 09:54, Steven J. Long wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 18:33, Dale wrote: that gnome is very hostile when it comes to KDE or choice is not news. And their dependency on

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:37:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:05:39 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: If *something1* at boot time requires access to *something2* at boot time that isn't available then I would say that *something1* is broken by design not the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 06:35:58PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: wrong analogy and it goes down from here. Really. Ohh, but they are inspired on YOUR analogy, so guess how wrong yours was. your trolling is weak. And since I never saw anything worth reading posted by you, you are very

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:16:50 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: initramfs is the new /, for varying values of new since most distros have been doing it that way for well over a decade. Only it's not, since you're responsible for keeping it in sync with the main system. No I'm not, the kernel

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:50:05AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 11/10/2013 09:54, Steven J. Long wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:04:38AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 29/09/2013 23:41, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: From that one single action this entire mess of separate /usr

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 09:42:33AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:36:02 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, now it has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the increasing time needed

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:27:59 +0100, Steven J. Long wrote: I don't understand why people keep banging on about Poettering in this, previously finished, thread. You brought up the background, wrt Greg K-H. Regardless of how you feel, I'm not alone in considering Poettering's (and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Friday 11 Oct 2013 12:55:55 Neil Bothwick wrote: While I'm loathe to use words like underhanded, ... pedant Not loathe here but loath or even loth. /pedant (Just to help non-native speakers avoid confusion, you understand.) :-) -- Regards, Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:11:55 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: While I'm loathe to use words like underhanded, ... pedant Not loathe here but loath or even loth. /pedant Ouch! -- Neil Bothwick Mac screen message: Like, dude, something went wrong. signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Steven J. Long sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 11:37:53PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: initramfs is the new /, for varying values of new since most distros have been doing it that way for well over a decade. Only it's not, since

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Flexibility and robustness in the Linux organisim

Am 11.10.2013 10:28, schrieb Steven J. Long: On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 06:35:58PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: wrong analogy and it goes down from here. Really. Ohh, but they are inspired on YOUR analogy, so guess how wrong yours was. your trolling is weak. And since I never saw anything

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

Neil Bothwick wrote: Steven J. Long wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: You might as well ask why do you need or want any other form of IPC you already have, as that is what dbus is. It's a very small, light daemon, can run system-wide or per-session and has the potential to many of the IPC

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

Alan McKinnon wrote: you forgot that shared library nonsense. Every app should just bundle static copies of everything it needs and leave it up to the dev to deal with bugs and security issues And you forgot: -lc prob'y because it's not required. -lrt comes into play too. I'd recommend a book

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

On 24/07/2013 19:51, Steven J. Long wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: you forgot that shared library nonsense. Every app should just bundle static copies of everything it needs and leave it up to the dev to deal with bugs and security issues And you forgot: -lc prob'y because it's not required.

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script

Alan McKinnon wrote: Peace and hugz OK? Definitely :-) POSIX 4: Programming for the Real World (Gallmeister, 1995) UNIX Network Programming vol 2: Interprocess Communications (Stevens, 1999) iirc the first is on safari-online; you can download code from the second here:

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