- Original Message
From: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk
Okay - that's not entirely KDE's problem; though it would have helped a
long way with the KDE4 transition if they kept a few people working on
those issues.
How would you feel if you were a KDE dev told we're all
On 2011-05-13 4:16 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
KDE3 was fine as it was.
I think that pretty much sums it up...
No one forced anyone to upgrade to 4.0 when it was released. Anyone
(you) could have continued using 3.x until *you* were satisfied with 4.x...
On Fri, 13 May 2011 07:19:35 -0700 (PDT), BRM wrote:
KDE did seem to drop the ball a bit with their management of the
transition from KDE3 to KDE4.
There's no doubt it could have been a lot better. The problem was that it
was based on their prediction that 4.0 would be a dev release while 4.1
On 13/5/2011, at 8:27pm, Mick wrote:
...
Here's mine if you want to compare with my previously sent output:
$ cat /etc/env.d/02locale
LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=C
LC_MONETARY=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.UTF-8
On 13/5/2011, at 8:32pm, Mick wrote:
...
$ date +%l:%M%P
8:39
That's the wall-clock time (p.m.) in my local time-zone. What Americans
call daylight savings time, though how they imagine any time is saved I
don't know.
From `man date`:
%l hour ( 1..12)
...
%M
On Thu, 12 May 2011 09:38:15 -0500, Dale wrote:
Which supports my point. Maintain KDE3 until KDE4 is stable and
usable. If it is still working, which I think it is tho some fixes
have had to be made, then why couldn't KDE support KDE3 just a little
while longer.
Because it would be more
On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:44:21 -0500, Dale wrote:
Your questions don't disprove what me and others have posted. As I
have said on the KDE mailing list, KDE made a serious mistake dropping
KDE3 before KDE4 was ready.
How exactly did they drop it? It's still available from
On Thu, 12 May 2011 10:51:32 -0400, Indi wrote:
If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Did
the KDE guys come knocking on your door to remove it, or do it
remotely (Android anyone?), or did it just keep working?
That argument is probably valid when limiting the
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:50:03AM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2011 10:51:32 -0400, Indi wrote:
If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Did
the KDE guys come knocking on your door to remove it, or do it
remotely (Android anyone?), or did it just
Indi wrote:
I was just sharing my opinion, which was informed by my
experience. I'm surprised by the vehemence and persistence
of (apparently) political rhetoric in response to that.
Obviously the solutions look really simple and matter-of-fact
a year and a half later. The options were rather
On 12/5/2011, at 11:57pm, Dale wrote:
Stroller wrote:
On 12/5/2011, at 6:20pm, Dale wrote:
Stroller wrote:
`date +%l:%M%P`
Here's mine:
root@fireball / # date +%l:%M%P
12:19pm
root@fireball / #
And what are your locale settings?
Stroller.
Stroller wrote:
On 12/5/2011, at 11:57pm, Dale wrote:
root@fireball / # locale
LANG=en_US.UTF8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF8
LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF8
LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF8
LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF8
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF8
LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF8
LC_NAME=en_US.UTF8
LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF8
- Original Message
From: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk
On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:44:21 -0500, Dale wrote:
Your questions don't disprove what me and others have posted. As I
have said on the KDE mailing list, KDE made a serious mistake dropping
KDE3 before KDE4 was ready.
How
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:56:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the
curve.
Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the
guts to admit that it
On Friday 13 May 2011 14:26:27 Dale wrote:
Stroller wrote:
On 12/5/2011, at 11:57pm, Dale wrote:
root@fireball / # locale
LANG=en_US.UTF8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF8
LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF8
LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF8
LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF8
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF8
On Thursday 12 May 2011 22:48:04 Stroller wrote:
On 12/5/2011, at 8:41pm, Peter Humphrey wrote:
On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:06:27 Stroller wrote:
Could you possibly post the output of `date +%l:%M%P`?
In doing so you'd be doing me a favour.
$ date +%l:%M%P
8:39
That's the
On Friday 13 May 2011 18:57:47 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:56:27PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the
curve.
Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to
Am 13.05.2011 21:50, schrieb Mick:
a selection of
apps, rather that a heavy duty integrated DE with semantic searches and what
not.
I have written my thesis about semantic searches but I am absolut unable
to use that feature in KDE.
But that and the graphic distortions I have aside is KDE4
Hi Mick,
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 08:27:16PM +0100, Mick wrote:
Here's mine if you want to compare with my previously sent output:
$ cat /etc/env.d/02locale
LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
*snip*
This is all you need.
LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8
Or, If you are running a multi user system and do not want to
On Fri, 13 May 2011 13:57:47 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
But if your new and allegedly improved
product can't stand on its own 2 feet and compete against older
generation products, and you have to shut down or drop support for the
older products for the new one to survive, then it's obvious
On 11 May 2011 15:43, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:45 on Wednesday 11 May 2011, Dale did opine
thusly:
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 02:50 AM, Dale wrote:
[...]
What do you know, I upgraded and it worked. Now if I can just get
Mike Edenfield wrote:
On 5/11/2011 6:51 PM, Dale wrote:
Does this look more better?
root@fireball / # locale
LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF8
LC_NAME=en_US.UTF8
LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF8
LC_PAPER, is that like paper in my
James Wall wrote:
On May 11, 2011 4:38 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com
mailto:w41...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/11/2011 03:10 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:55:46 -0500, Dale wrote:
I'll leave it like it is I guess. I like all the little green OK's
that scroll up anyway.
Apparently, though unproven, at 02:40 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Walter Dnes did
opine thusly:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 05:45:07PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the curve.
Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they
On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the
curve.
Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the
guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it.
IBM walked away from their
On 5/12/2011 5:21 AM, Dale wrote:
Mike Edenfield wrote:
On 5/11/2011 6:51 PM, Dale wrote:
Does this look more better?
root@fireball / # locale
LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF8
LC_NAME=en_US.UTF8
LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF8
The
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:00:01PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the
curve.
Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the
guts to admit that
Neil Bothwick wrote:
The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and
implying they are the norm.
Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from
floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict
where the market should go so they can
Mike Edenfield wrote:
They're already set, as your locale output showed :) The definitions
of those various formats are built into the locale definitions, so
they should have the same value as all your other LC_* variables.
You can see your locale's idea of what those things mean in the
Apparently, though unproven, at 14:54 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine
thusly:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and
implying they are the norm.
Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from
floppy
Alan McKinnon wrote:
They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe
support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say
nothing.
It's not a question of should, it's only a question of Dale would prefer it
if
So, you think most of the KDE
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 03:50:02PM +0200, Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe
support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say
nothing.
It's not a question of should, it's only a question
will over new fans. Its
oodles better than any of its contemicropories.
JDM
-Original Message-
From: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going
On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote:
So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3
being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable?
For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye
candy but not functional
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009.
Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching
everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot, finally
putting them on xfce. If xfce gets a wild
Indi wrote:
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 03:50:02PM +0200, Dale wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe
support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say
nothing.
It's not a question of should, it's
On Thu, 12 May 2011 07:54:13 -0500, Dale wrote:
I just hope they also learned from their mistakes. Dropping KDE3
support long before KDE4 was ready was a big one. That shouldn't be
repeated.
If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Did the
KDE guys come knocking on
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote:
So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3
being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable?
For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye
candy
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:30:02PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2011 07:54:13 -0500, Dale wrote:
I just hope they also learned from their mistakes. Dropping KDE3
support long before KDE4 was ready was a big one. That shouldn't be
repeated.
If it's as good as everyone
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009.
Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching
everyone to gnome, finding that
Indi wrote:
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009.
Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching
everyone to
On 5/12/2011 9:25 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 14:54 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine
thusly:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and
implying they are the norm.
Why not add other improvements that were
On 12/5/2011, at 12:31am, Peter Humphrey wrote:
On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:14:55 Mike Edenfield wrote:
The only problem with LC_ALL is that it overrides all of the other LC_*
variables.
- which is precisely what most ordinary desktop users want.
No, I think they want all locale
Stroller wrote:
`date +%l:%M%P`
Here's mine:
root@fireball / # date +%l:%M%P
12:19pm
root@fireball / #
Dale
:-) :-)
On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:06:27 Stroller wrote:
Could you possibly post the output of `date +%l:%M%P`?
In doing so you'd be doing me a favour.
$ date +%l:%M%P
8:39
That's the wall-clock time (p.m.) in my local time-zone. What Americans call
daylight savings time, though how they imagine
Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org writes:
On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:14:55 Mike Edenfield wrote:
The only problem with LC_ALL is that it overrides all of the other LC_*
variables.
- which is precisely what most ordinary desktop users want.
Most perhaps, but certainly not all. For me
On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:20:15 Dale wrote:
Stroller wrote:
`date +%l:%M%P`
Here's mine:
root@fireball / # date +%l:%M%P
12:19pm
root@fireball / #
Dale
$ date +%l:%M%P
9:23
$ locale
LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:06 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did
opine
thusly:
I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine
thusly:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote:
So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3
being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:10:03PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:06 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:19 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
You might be correct, but I very much doubt it.
I will say though that it's almost a certainty
the type of user who uses kde4 is probably
different from those who used kde3.
There you go again,
On 12/5/2011, at 6:20pm, Dale wrote:
Stroller wrote:
`date +%l:%M%P`
Here's mine:
root@fireball / # date +%l:%M%P
12:19pm
root@fireball / #
And what are your locale settings?
Stroller.
Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine
thusly:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote:
So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3
being dropped, especially
On 12/5/2011, at 8:41pm, Peter Humphrey wrote:
On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:06:27 Stroller wrote:
Could you possibly post the output of `date +%l:%M%P`?
In doing so you'd be doing me a favour.
$ date +%l:%M%P
8:39
That's the wall-clock time (p.m.) in my local time-zone. What
On 05/12/2011 07:00 AM, Indi wrote:
...It was a harrowing time, switching
everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot...
Just curious: what sort of complaints did you get about gnome?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:30:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine
thusly:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote:
So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:50:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:19 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
You might be correct, but I very much doubt it.
I will say though that it's almost a certainty
the type of user who uses kde4 is probably
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:30:01AM +0200, walt wrote:
On 05/12/2011 07:00 AM, Indi wrote:
...It was a harrowing time, switching
everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot...
Just curious: what sort of complaints did you get about gnome?
Oh to be honest I think most of the complaints
Stroller wrote:
On 12/5/2011, at 6:20pm, Dale wrote:
Stroller wrote:
`date +%l:%M%P`
Here's mine:
root@fireball / # date +%l:%M%P
12:19pm
root@fireball / #
And what are your locale settings?
Stroller.
root@fireball / # locale
LANG=en_US.UTF8
On 2011-05-12 23:44, Dale wrote:
Your questions don't disprove what me and others have posted. As I have
I think Alans point is that while the KDE developers (volunteers, or
paid for) have certain goals which may or may not be tangential to yours
(clearly, in the case of KDE3 vs KDE4 they are
On 05/11/2011 02:50 AM, Dale wrote:
[...]
What do you know, I upgraded and it worked. Now if I can just get rid of
this Nepomuk thingy that pops up a bit after I login to KDE.
You disable that in System Settings. There's an icon for it there. Or,
you build KDE with -semantic-desktop in your
Hi,
Maybe, a little OT.
Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be
completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify?
Thank You!
--
mv
Marius Vaitiekunas wrote:
Hi,
Maybe, a little OT.
Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be
completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify?
Thank You!
This is how I did mine.
root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep utf
LC_ALL=en_US.utf8
On 05/11/2011 03:16 PM, Marius Vaitiekunas wrote:
Hi,
Maybe, a little OT.
Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be
completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify?
Thank You!
/etc/env.d/02locale. Here, it looks like this:
LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Marius Vaitiekunas wrote:
Hi,
Maybe, a little OT.
Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be
completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify?
Thank You!
This is how I did mine.
110511 Marius Vaitiekunas wrote:
Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system
to be completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify?
In ~/.bashrc/root/.bashrc I have
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
Amend for your local language, if you wish.
--
On 05/11/2011 03:33 PM, Dale wrote:
Marius Vaitiekunas wrote:
Hi,
Maybe, a little OT.
Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be
completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify?
Thank You!
This is how I did mine.
root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf |
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 03:33 PM, Dale wrote:
Marius Vaitiekunas wrote:
Hi,
Maybe, a little OT.
Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be
completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify?
Thank You!
This is how I did mine.
root@fireball
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 02:50 AM, Dale wrote:
[...]
What do you know, I upgraded and it worked. Now if I can just get rid of
this Nepomuk thingy that pops up a bit after I login to KDE.
You disable that in System Settings. There's an icon for it there.
Or, you build KDE with
On Wed, 11 May 2011 15:33:02 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
The second file is /etc/locale.gen. On my system:
en_US ISO-8859-1
en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
I don't know why I have the first line there. I guess it's a fallback.
The second line must be the same as what you used in
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:45 on Wednesday 11 May 2011, Dale did opine
thusly:
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 02:50 AM, Dale wrote:
[...]
What do you know, I upgraded and it worked. Now if I can just get rid of
this Nepomuk thingy that pops up a bit after I login to KDE.
On 05/11/2011 04:40 PM, Dale wrote:
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 03:33 PM, Dale wrote:
Marius Vaitiekunas wrote:
Could anybody tell me, how to make gentoo baselayout-2 system to be
completely unicode utf-8? Which config files I should modify?
Thank You!
This is how I did mine.
On 5/11/2011 9:40 AM, Dale wrote:
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 03:33 PM, Dale wrote:
root@fireball / # cat /etc/make.conf | grep utf
LC_ALL=en_US.utf8
root@fireball / #
Putting your LC_* values in make.conf means they're only going to apply
when you are building things, and not in
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:50:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
It uses hardly any cpu at all, regardless of what the naysayers say.
Well, add me to the naysayers list then, because my experience directly
contradicts that statement. Much happier with fluxbox, completely finished
fooling
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 04:40 PM, Dale wrote:
Funny that it seems to work. I don't have that file:
root@fireball / # cat /etc/env.d/02locale
cat: /etc/env.d/02locale: No such file or directory
root@fireball / #
Maybe the 02 prefix is random. Try:
grep LC_ALL /etc/env.d/*
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:06 on Wednesday 11 May 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 04:50:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
It uses hardly any cpu at all, regardless of what the naysayers say.
Well, add me to the naysayers list then, because my experience directly
On 05/11/2011 06:42 PM, Dale wrote:
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 04:40 PM, Dale wrote:
Funny that it seems to work. I don't have that file:
root@fireball / # cat /etc/env.d/02locale
cat: /etc/env.d/02locale: No such file or directory
root@fireball / #
Maybe the 02 prefix is
On 05/11/2011 06:53 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 06:42 PM, Dale wrote:
That was quick:
root@fireball / # grep LC_ALL /etc/env.d/*
root@fireball / #
Guess that is not in env.d anywhere. :/
Then I guess you can create it on your own. See:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 06:00:05PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:06 on Wednesday 11 May 2011, Indi did
opine
thusly:
I still don't understand why the kde folks went from something that
worked extremely well to their current state. Baffling.
Why did
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 03:33:02PM +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 03:16 PM, Marius Vaitiekunas wrote:
/etc/env.d/02locale. Here, it looks like this:
LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
It is not recommended that you set LC_ALL in startup files at all, just
lang.
- Original Message
From: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
I still don't understand why the kde folks went from something that
worked extremely well to their current state. Baffling.
KDE3 and KDE4 are not the same thing.
KDE4 is not the next version of KDE3.
You must
Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 06:53 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 06:42 PM, Dale wrote:
That was quick:
root@fireball / # grep LC_ALL /etc/env.d/*
root@fireball / #
Guess that is not in env.d anywhere. :/
Then I guess you can create it on your own. See:
On 5/11/2011 12:54 PM, Dale wrote:
root@fireball / # locale -a
C
POSIX
en_US
en_US.iso88591
en_US.utf8
So you have three locales installed (C and POSIX are internal and always
present) that are the same language and region with different character
sets. You probably don't need to do this
On 5/11/2011 12:02 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 06:53 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
On 05/11/2011 06:42 PM, Dale wrote:
That was quick:
root@fireball / # grep LC_ALL /etc/env.d/*
root@fireball / #
Guess that is not in env.d anywhere. :/
Then I guess you can create it on your
On 05/11/2011 03:10 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:55:46 -0500, Dale wrote:
I'll leave it like it is I guess. I like all the little green OK's
that scroll up anyway.
Reassuring, aren't they?
I'd like a similar system for checking my marriage.
Mike Edenfield wrote:
This means that your UTF-8 setup is clearly *not* working :) Your locale
is not being set anywhere, it's using the glibc default of POSIX. POSIX
is approximately equal to en_US as far as date/time, sorting, etc. but
lacks most of the numeric formatting (no currency symbol,
On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:14:55 Mike Edenfield wrote:
The only problem with LC_ALL is that it overrides all of the other LC_*
variables.
- which is precisely what most ordinary desktop users want. In such a case it's
a useful shorthand. Personally, I have no intention of ever allowing US
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 05:45:07PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the curve.
Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the
guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it.
IBM walked away from their market
On 5/11/2011 6:51 PM, Dale wrote:
Does this look more better?
root@fireball / # locale
LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF8
LC_NAME=en_US.UTF8
LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF8
LC_PAPER, is that like paper in my printer? What the heck
does
On 5/11/2011 7:31 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote:
On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:14:55 Mike Edenfield wrote:
The only problem with LC_ALL is that it overrides all of the other LC_*
variables.
- which is precisely what most ordinary desktop users want. In such a case it's
a useful shorthand.
On May 11, 2011 4:38 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/11/2011 03:10 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:55:46 -0500, Dale wrote:
I'll leave it like it is I guess. I like all the little green OK's
that scroll up anyway.
Reassuring, aren't they?
I'd like a similar
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