Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
43 , met with solaris on Dec. 1997, and started with mandrake and redhat around 1999, then added openbsd in 2000 and from 2003 I use gentoo (only)... and a bit of centos maybe :-) ) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
Selon Peter Ruskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 13 April 2007, kashani wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the average age of the gentoo user here? Looks like I'm coming in at the older end at 33. No danger of that - I'll be 70 this Christmas ;-) I'm 62. My first Unix box was an Amiga 3000UX running Sys V r4 (and still booted once in a while). I went to Linux in 1992 : RedHat, then Suse, then Debian. Gentoo for the last 5 years. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
On Friday 13 April 2007 14:07:35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the average age of the gentoo user here? Sent via BlackBerry® from Vodafone I'll be 22 next month, and I've been a happy Gentoo user since 2005.1. -- Dorin Scutarasu, www.info.UAIC.ro - The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think.(Horace Walpole) - Message was OpenPGP/MIME signed with key 0x34459C35. pgpXEhSMBM19w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Something changed with nice?
On Saturday 14 April 2007 03:09, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 15:59 +0100, Mick wrote: On Friday 13 April 2007 15:30, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 14:07 +0100, Mick wrote: I am getting these errors in /root/dead.letter: === /etc/cron.weekly/makewhatis: line 5: /bin/nice: No such file or directory /etc/cron.weekly/makewhatis: line 5: exec: /bin/nice: cannot execute: No such file or directory === I don't have a /etc/cron.weekly/makewhatis, but my /etc/cron.daily/makewhatis says exec nice makewhatis -u Hold on, I do not have a /etc/cron.weekly/makewhatis either! My daily is just like yours. Perhaps this is something to do with vixie-cron updated yesterday. Do I need to do anything about it? Your email says /etc/cron.weekly so it must have existed at the time it was generated. I've never seen a makewhatis in /etc/cron.weekly I've three different machines and all show the same error in dead.letter. Like yours none of them has a makewhatis under /etc/cron.weekly. It doesn't make sense to me. -- Regards, Mick pgpsrlv8QEfUH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] How can I know which package needs to upgrade without using emerge --sync?
On Friday 13 April 2007 20:35, Neil Walker wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard of that using emerge --sync frequently may hert my hard-disk My network server has been doing a daily emerge --sync for 4 years now. Hasn't died yet. FWIW, simply running Windows puts far more strain on the HD than doing a daily sync in Gentoo ever will. Just watch the HD LED on a Windows system that isn't even doing anything sometime. It usually is doing something: scanning the drives for viruses using some abominable bloatware virus scanner application; indexing files (like updatedb in Linux); defraging the drives when the screen saver kicks in. -- Regards, Mick pgpAdCC8B1kk3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Something changed with nice?
on Saturday 04/14/2007 Mick([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote On Saturday 14 April 2007 03:09, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 15:59 +0100, Mick wrote: On Friday 13 April 2007 15:30, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 14:07 +0100, Mick wrote: I am getting these errors in /root/dead.letter: === /etc/cron.weekly/makewhatis: line 5: /bin/nice: No such file or directory /etc/cron.weekly/makewhatis: line 5: exec: /bin/nice: cannot execute: No such file or directory === I don't have a /etc/cron.weekly/makewhatis, but my /etc/cron.daily/makewhatis says exec nice makewhatis -u Hold on, I do not have a /etc/cron.weekly/makewhatis either! My daily is just like yours. Perhaps this is something to do with vixie-cron updated yesterday. Do I need to do anything about it? Your email says /etc/cron.weekly so it must have existed at the time it was generated. I've never seen a makewhatis in /etc/cron.weekly I've three different machines and all show the same error in dead.letter. Like yours none of them has a makewhatis under /etc/cron.weekly. It doesn't make sense to me. I have it as weekly and I just fixed the path -- don't know why nice was moved or what else went wrong. Seems to me it should be weekly, anyway. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
b.n. ha scritto: I'm 26. (By the way, it seems that Gentoo is a really young distro! I thought the average was in the 30's, but I find myself to be on the average) Oh,yes,forgot my Linux history :) I started recently, in 2003, with Mandrake 9.1 and then 10.1. I was converted by a university friend of mine, and since when I did first install Linux, I never came back. I wiped out Windows from my home desktop box immediately. Then in December 2005 I renewed my box, installed Gentoo on it, and still running it. In the meanwhile I have run Slackware and then Kubuntu at my parents home (never managed to convert them, sigh) and Debian Sarge and then Kubuntu at work. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] WLAN daemon?
On Saturday 14 April 2007 01:35, Daniel Pielmeier wrote: Sven Köhler schrieb: Hi, is there any WLAN daemon that scans for wireless LANs and loggs into them, if he finds one, that i prefer? You will find some useful informaton and links here: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html As I understand it a good WLAN device driver will associate and re-associate with the next available device when it comes into range. Some drivers are not that good at re-associating. In that case you may have to modprobe -r and then reload the driver, or unplug/replug the WiFi device if it is a USB/cardbus. If you engage in the noble sport of aheam wardriving then you will need to use a good device that has well developed drivers in Linux. I am not aware of a daemon that performs this function in parallel to the WiFi device driver, sort of a ifplugd for wireless, but others may know better. -- Regards, Mick pgpQLLB7SYHNk.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: create an installable custom distro with gentoo?
b.n. schrieb: Hi, I have looked a bit for this but I've found nothing. I'd like to create an installable disk ready-to-install on another old, low specs machine that cannot bear a Gentoo install by itself. The logic would be: - create a chroot environment - install a subgentoo in it - emerge the needed sw in the subgentoo, tweak etc. Then create a tarball from it. You could call this tarball a stage4 tarball, because it is a complete system (compared to a stage3 tarball). To create the tarball, leave the chroot an run something like this: tar -cjvpf /stage4.tar.bz2 /path/to/your/chroot Boot your old machine with a gentoo live cd and create partitions (follow the gentoo handbook to chapter 4) and copy your tarball to it. After unpacking the tarball, your system is nearly finished. All you need to do is to install grub (or your personal choice of bootloader) and that's it. For this method you do not need a special install medium. But you have to find a way to copy the tarball to your system. Possible options are scp or on cd (in this case you need a second drive or boot your cd with the option to load the whole image to memory (I d'ont remember the name for it), but since you said you have an old machine, the memory will be small...). Regards Marc -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
On Saturday 14 April 2007 00:37, Dan Farrell wrote: I'm 23, and only have been running gentoo since 2002. I didn't have a computer back when the internet was cool and stuff. It's funny, on the forums I feel like more of a gentoo veteran but on the mailing list I feel like a newbie. Im beginning to see why. I'm 25, started with an Apple II then a C64, x86 around 94 started my GNU/Linux trek with slackware I got off a half dead BBS user group... went on to try Red Hat and Debian, tried every distro I could afford to download via Modem, once I got ISDN, Cable and then DSL I went on to find Gentoo some time in 2003 or 2004, Loved it and it has been close to me ever since, I still test other distros but nothing comes close to Gentoo. -- Guillermo A. Amaral, CSE # Free Open Source Advocate nick: guillermoamaral @ blog: http://blog.guillermoamaral.com/ @ site: http://www.guillermoamaral.com/ $ irc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] % gpg: http://downloads.guillermoamaral.com/public.asc pgpBkXtsqlBGL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: create an installable custom distro with gentoo?
in this case you need a second drive or boot your cd with the option to load the whole image to memory (I d'ont remember the name for it in boot prompt of livecd type: # gentoo docache greets :) -- purple..
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
Bo Ørsted Andresen wonders: On Friday 13 April 2007 23:36:29 Anthony E. Caudel wrote: Gentoo since 1999. Really? I was under the impression the first release went out in 2002. Of course it could be installed before that but '99? In part 3 of his Making the distribution text Daniel Robbins, the founder of Gentoo Linux, told that Gentoo 1.0 would be released around Jan 2001. Before that, it was called Enoch. BTW, I find these articles quite interesting. http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-dist1.html Alex (34) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Emerge --sync doesn't work anymore
Hi, I added some ebuilds in /usr/local/portage and ran the ebuild foo.ebuild digest command for every ebuild I added. Now, emerge --sync gives me an error : calypso ~ # emerge --sync Starting rsync with rsync://134.68.220.74/gentoo-portage... Checking server timestamp ... rsync: --filter=H_**/files/digest-*: unknown option rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1013) !!! Rsync has reported that there is a syntax error. Please ensure !!! that your SYNC statement is proper. !!! SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage I can update my portage tree with emerge-webrsync. Can someone help me ? thanks ! Ben -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge --sync doesn't work anymore
On Saturday 14 April 2007 11:54:42 Benjamin Graf wrote: I added some ebuilds in /usr/local/portage and ran the ebuild foo.ebuild digest command for every ebuild I added. Now, emerge --sync gives me an error : calypso ~ # emerge --sync Starting rsync with rsync://134.68.220.74/gentoo-portage... Checking server timestamp ... rsync: --filter=H_**/files/digest-*: unknown option rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1013) !!! Rsync has reported that there is a syntax error. Please ensure !!! that your SYNC statement is proper. !!! SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage I can update my portage tree with emerge-webrsync. You can remove the --filter option from PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS in /etc/make.globals to make it work now. Note that it'll be added again the next time you emerge portage. Before then you should upgrade rsync. -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge --sync doesn't work anymore
Thanks a lot ! it works. 2007/4/14, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Saturday 14 April 2007 11:54:42 Benjamin Graf wrote: I added some ebuilds in /usr/local/portage and ran the ebuild foo.ebuild digest command for every ebuild I added. Now, emerge --sync gives me an error : calypso ~ # emerge --sync Starting rsync with rsync://134.68.220.74/gentoo-portage... Checking server timestamp ... rsync: --filter=H_**/files/digest-*: unknown option rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1013) !!! Rsync has reported that there is a syntax error. Please ensure !!! that your SYNC statement is proper. !!! SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage I can update my portage tree with emerge-webrsync. You can remove the --filter option from PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS in /etc/make.globals to make it work now. Note that it'll be added again the next time you emerge portage. Before then you should upgrade rsync. -- Bo Andresen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
i'm 19 and i use gentoo for about a year... i used ubuntu for half a year,and then i found gentoo :D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
I`m 30. Use redhat start 2002 and with gentoo since one year ago . but i lost my laptop yestoday -- == I'm sorry for my poor english!!!
[gentoo-user] Seems SOLVED: Intel High Definition Audio and its problems and experiences
Hi All, First, thank you all for your help! Now, I am able to use microphone with skype and arecord also recorded my beautiful voice :) The question is, how, right? :) I modified my /etc/modules.d/alsa based on Elias Probst's and Mauro Faccenda's settings. Thank you guys! alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-slot-1 snd-card-1 alias /dev/mixer snd-mixer-oss alias /dev/dsp snd-pcm-oss alias /dev/midisnd-seq-oss alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel alias sound-slot-0 snd-hda-intel options snd-hda-intel model=6stack-digout position_fix=1 index=0 This settings seems separate modem and the sound card and the last option determine the correct type and fixes something :) I found that, my laptop has two jacks: one is line-in/microphone, the other one is headphone/spdif output. My laptop manual says, it has a spdif output: 7.1. (Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Pi 1505) From alsa-project, there is a nice document: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intelcard=ICH+southbridge+HD-audio+and+modem.chip=ICH6%2C+ICH6M%2C+ICH7%2C+ESB2module=hda-intel In the local kernel directory everybody must have this document: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt It has a part about snd-hda-intel and its options. And finaly this one also could give some information: localhost ~ # modinfo snd-hda-intel filename: /lib/modules/2.6.20-gentoo-r5pongi/alsa-driver/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko description:Intel HDA driver license:GPL .. parm: index:Index value for Intel HD audio interface. (int) parm: id:ID string for Intel HD audio interface. (charp) parm: model:Use the given board model. (charp) parm: position_fix:Fix DMA pointer (0 = auto, 1 = none, 2 = POSBUF, 3 = FIFO size). (int) parm: probe_mask:Bitmask to probe codecs (default = -1). (int) parm: single_cmd:Use single command to communicate with codecs (for debugging only). (bool) parm: enable_msi:Enable Message Signaled Interrupt (MSI) (int) parm: enable:bool Now I have only Front, IEC958 (???), Caller ID, Off-hook switches in the Alsa device. Only Front turned on. Input source is Mic, Capture enabled and setup around 20%, on playback the Microphone muted. I did not use the modem itself, but I plan to try it out in the future. I think, I will start a new thread about Si3054 kind of modem and how to use it :) I installed slmodem package, seems working (I mean, slamr module loaded without problem) : Thank you again :) Regards and have a nice weekend! IStván -- IT szolgáltatások, alkalmazásszolgáltatás http://www.osbusiness.hu -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT im more just curious
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grant Edwards said the following on 2007-04-13 23:57: ... That brings back memories. A SOL-20 was the first microcomputer computer I used. I believe it was 1980. 48K of RAM and two 8 Pertec floppy drives. Before you could boot CP/M from a floppy, you had to load a bootloader from cassette tape. hehe, there are some experienced guys ( gals?) on the list. I'm 44. I remember Imsai 8080, Apple II/III and others. In Sweden we had those little boxes known as ABC80 (and later ABC800 with 16 colors and somewhat better graphical resolution). Other boxes are PDP11/70, various PET/Commodore, Ataris et al. I'm felling a huge wave of nostalghia here :) Of course, there were the Mcaintoshes, IBM PC/XT etc. //T -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQFGILmAJDzv6DN+QUkRArVWAJ9WGVf/W5nkSwoxfk0CPTW/vbhQqACg0Wo7 o+Jvm9z9oPFYTxoXhupXcAo= =m6BQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] How do I enable package specific FEATURES and CFLAGS?
Hi, I always want to build evolution and evolution-data-server with: CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O1 -ggdb -pipe FEATURES=splitdebug as opposed to other all packages which I want to build with: CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O2 -pipe How can I arrange for this to happen without manually changing /etc/make.conf whenever I build those packages? Thanks, jules -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: problem :eht0 not getting detected
Hi, BTW, learn about why top-posting is bad if you can spare some time... On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:54:56 -0700 agam gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ya there were 4 driviers but none worked tried all optons only rtl-8150 lods but is not shown in the ifconfig or ifconfig -a does it output something to the kernel log buffer (run dmesg!)? What is the exact output of lspci? Are you talking about a wireless card? Ethernet? You didn't provide anything near enough information... -hwh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] lib w/o a package?
Dan Farrell wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:19:38 -0500 Albert Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A slightly educated guess would be the gdbm package, though you'd think it would be named libgdbm.so as opposed to gdbm.so. -- Albert W. Hopkins Yes, but I don't have it installed: emerge -pv gdbm --snip-- [ebuild N] sys-libs/gdbm-1.8.3-r3 USE=-berkdb 224 kB I don't have the USE flag of the same name switched on either: euse -i gdbm global use flags (searching: gdbm) [- D ] gdbm - Adds support for sys-libs/gdbm (GNU database libraries) local use flags (searching: gdbm) no matching entries found equery takes the guesswork out of package manangement: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ equery belongs gdbm.so | [ Searching for file(s) gdbm.so in *... ] | dev-lang/python-2.4.3-r4 (/usr/lib64/python2.4/lib-dynload/gdbm.so) Yes, I already have posted that equery b returns no results here. I suppose you have gdbm and/or berkdb USE flags switched on for python. It's not the case here: emerge -pv python [binary R ] dev-lang/python-2.4.3-r4 USE=ncurses readline ssl -berkdb -bootstrap -build -doc -gdbm -ipv6 -nocxx -tk -ucs2 -- Best regards, Daniel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] lib w/o a package?
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: Indeed there exists no authoritative source that can be used to show that if no package on your system claims to own a given file... http://www.rommel.stw.uni-erlangen.de/~fejf/cgi-bin/pfs-web.pl is the closest you can get currently.. Thanks! According to this online tool it appears that python the only package installing the file in question. I have none of the others installed. I moved gdbm.so from its original location into a directory outside the $PATH. Now revdep-rebuild has no complains. I'll keep it this way for some time and if there are no problems I'll get rid of gdbm.so. -- Best regards, Daniel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I enable package specific FEATURES and CFLAGS?
On Saturday 14 April 2007 13:28:26 Jules Colding wrote: Hi, I always want to build evolution and evolution-data-server with: CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O1 -ggdb -pipe FEATURES=splitdebug http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-472386-highlight-bashrcng.html Using portage-bashrc-ng you can do this. Pay attention on how to define CFLAGS in package.cflags: They're not added to existing ones like it's done by package.use, you have to specify the complete CFLAGS definition per package/category: e.g. kde-base/* -ggdb -O2 -march=nocona -msse3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fvar-tracking Regards, Elias P. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
I'll be 56 next month. I first used Caldera in 1997, then Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, LFS (Linux From Scratch). I discovered Gentoo in 2004. Sergio -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I enable package specific FEATURES and CFLAGS?
On Saturday 14 April 2007 13:28:26 Jules Colding wrote: Hi, I always want to build evolution and evolution-data-server with: CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O1 -ggdb -pipe FEATURES=splitdebug as opposed to other all packages which I want to build with: CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O2 -pipe How can I arrange for this to happen without manually changing /etc/make.conf whenever I build those packages? # mkdir -p /etc/portage/env/mail-client # CAT END /etc/portage/env/mail-client/evolution CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O1 -ggdb -pipe FEATURES=$FEATURES splitdebug END Likewise for gnome-extra/evolution-data-server. -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I enable package specific FEATURES and CFLAGS?
On Saturday 14 April 2007 14:08:58 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: # CAT END /etc/portage/env/mail-client/evolution Heh, that obviously went out a bit too fast. cat not CAT. :) -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I enable package specific FEATURES and CFLAGS?
On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 14:13 +0200, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Saturday 14 April 2007 14:08:58 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: # CAT END /etc/portage/env/mail-client/evolution Heh, that obviously went out a bit too fast. cat not CAT. :) I got the idea ;-) Thanks a lot, jules -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Seems SOLVED: Intel High Definition Audio and its problems and experiences
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:19:30 Pongracz Istvan wrote: I did not use the modem itself, but I plan to try it out in the future. I think, I will start a new thread about Si3054 kind of modem and how to use it :) I installed slmodem package, seems working (I mean, slamr module loaded without problem) : In order to get my intel-hda modem working I had to buy the drivers from linuxant. If slmodem doesn't work for you emerge hsfmodem. If that one works then you have to shell out US$20 for the full version. Kind of grates, but worth it to be able to get email while on the road. - Noven -- -- Novensiles divi Flamen -- Miles Militis Fons -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT im more just curious
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:52:40 Tony Stohne wrote: hehe, there are some experienced guys ( gals?) on the list. I'm 44. I remember Imsai 8080, Apple II/III and others. In Sweden we had those little boxes known as ABC80 (and later ABC800 with 16 colors and somewhat better graphical resolution). Other boxes are PDP11/70, various PET/Commodore, Ataris et al. I'm felling a huge wave of nostalghia here :) We learned about some of them in history class. An archaelogical dig in a clients warehouse turned up ancient Apple II's - one of which we turned into a sharehouse phone message notepad. I'm 25. - Noven -- -- Novensiles divi Flamen -- Miles Militis Fons -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] create an installable custom distro with gentoo?
Hello On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 11:16:58PM +, b.n. wrote: Hi, I have looked a bit for this but I've found nothing. I'd like to create an installable disk ready-to-install on another old, low specs machine that cannot bear a Gentoo install by itself. The logic would be: - create a chroot environment - install a subgentoo in it - emerge the needed sw in the subgentoo, tweak etc. - create an installable medium --??? - install on the old box The installable needs not to be complete... I can install Grub by myself on the box, for example, and just copy the files of the subgentoo on the partitions. However I'd like to see some tutorial/advice/whatever about it. This is not exactly what you have asked for, but I did install this way on an old machine (1.5GB disc, 48MB ram) and it worked. You need to: • Get some space for swap and create partitions • Unpack the stage tarball (preferably stage3) • Install nfs (that time, I had to compile kernel for it, but I hope the today livecd has one nfs-capable). • Install distcc Now you can mount /var remotely (portage compiles there and needs lots of space) - this way you need only the space for installed programs, not compiling and compile on other machine using distcc. It is more or less install the usual way, but with a great help of other computer by network. The advantage is, you can keep updating the system the same way. Have a nice day -- This is a terroristic email. It will explode in 10 minutes, if you do not close it in the meantime. Michal vorner Vaner pgpsxjXgWJYAI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
Hi, On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:32:34 -0300 Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: Aargh! This seems to be the new excuse for writing ridiculously short mails w/o much information and background now. IMHO, a stupid excuse. BUT you provided a great, and funny but yet insightful answer. :P Thanks :-) And now, here I stand corrected: The thread has actually become a cultural excercise and social mailing list event! Maybe we even make it into the GWN: Big outing party on gentoo-user or similar ;-) OK, I hope I adhere to the auto-adjusted standard for writing one's Gentoo/Linux/Computing history ;-) : I'm at the end of 26, using Linux since about 1996 (there was this Corel Linux distribution on some magazine's cover CD...), quickly chosing SuSE for the start. It didn't take long and I wanted to do more configuring without borking YaST all the time, so I went for Debian. That's where I compiled my first (vanilla) kernel, which was a pain on SuSE. I stayed with debian until 2003 (I think), when I switched to Gentoo for all but a few machines. My start at computing was 1986, at the age of 6. My parents bought an Olivetti 8086 (with already 8MHz and a HD of 20MB). I was fascinated. I started programming (good ol' MS QuickBasic) at the age of 10, I think. I learned assembler and pascal, later Java, C, C++. At that time, I could already resolve IRQ conflicts with some wire and a soldering iron :-) At the age of 15, I felt in love with the FIDO-Net (I was 2:240/6010.29, later 2:240/9301.29), only to dump my first registered shareware, CrossPoint, a few months later when the internet was starting to make its first steps in the private sector in germany. Now, I earn my little money with programming (just boring web stuff) and administration, while studying law (funny choice given the background, eh?). -hwh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT im more just curious
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Novensiles divi Flamen said the following on 2007-04-14 14:43: On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:52:40 Tony Stohne wrote: ... Other boxes are PDP11/70, various PET/Commodore, Ataris et al. I'm felling a huge wave of nostalghia here :) We learned about some of them in history class. An archaelogical dig in a clients warehouse turned up ancient Apple II's - one of which we turned into a sharehouse phone message notepad. At KTH (The Royal Institue of Technologym Stockholm) there's an interest group known as Stacken ie The stack where they have a bunch of old stuff running, including a fully functional PDP11/70 :) Now, that's real nostalghia. //Regards T -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQFGINDVJDzv6DN+QUkRAmXRAJ9B7LlpSUrqVu+Kk7AlwDjo5doP1wCg6Vg4 Zk6aPLEq0kdz6FuYuq+ZagQ= =dHi1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: Thanks :-) And now, here I stand corrected: The thread has actually become a cultural excercise and social mailing list event! Maybe we even make it into the GWN: Big outing party on gentoo-user or similar ;-) OH YES :) OK, I hope I adhere to the auto-adjusted standard for writing one's Gentoo/Linux/Computing history ;-) : Damn, so far your story is the msot similar to mine. Please, fellow gentooers, allow me to extend my bio, while quoting Hans: I'm at the end of 26, using Linux since about 1996 (there was this Corel Linux distribution on some magazine's cover CD...), quickly I'm in the middle of 25, using linux since about 1994 (there was this minilinux.zip 11MB file on some BBS...), quickly chosing Slackware (from the famous Infomagic's Linux Developer Resource CD sets, I got like 4 of them), then SuSE. I never liked Debian. I used SuSE without YaST. I was worn 8/2/82 (yes, at 23:32, lots of mathematical bizarreness here, most numbers in my life have to do with 2 and 8 :P) I started programming at the age of 8, in a Commmodore 64 my biological father had. Then he left, and until 10/11 years old I couldn't get my own computer. I still remember saving every penny I could. In the end I got a 80286, 20/25Mhz, no HD, and 5 1/4 floppy for AR$ 6.200.000 (like USD 620 at that time) in 1990, 1991... I continued programming (although I did at primary school, and the teachers insisted on my mom to get me a computer): more quickbasic, then turbo pascal. I wrote my first BBS for MS-DOS in Turbo Pascal 7.0. I remember using the TurboPower COMM libraries for it (incidentally, my best friend in USA was one of the top programmers at TurboPower...). A couple of years later, I got the minilinux, then full Slackware. That's when I decided to get my own telephone line (Mom, PLEASE, PLEASE, let me have my BBS! I won't dial other BBSes!), and started writing a new, from scratch, BBS system: multiuser, it had instant messaging, tree-based forums, file attachments, private email and multiuser conference, anybody wants the source?). It was my first stake at C. Learning C AND Linux at the same time, at that time, provided LOTS of OS knowledge. I still fix most things by [spl]tracing to find out bugs, or by writing interposers, etc. I was starting secondary school and decided to study electronics. That's where assembler started. I was bad with soldering, but good at microcontrollers :P. Although I already knew about secure coding, learning how to write an exploit helped a lot. As I was interested in Security I never dropped other OSes 100%. Of course, all my servers run Linux, but at home I had Microsofts' OSes and other stuff, mainly for research purposes. I work and play and everything under Linux. At the age of 15, I felt in love with the FIDO-Net (I was 2:240/6010.29, later 2:240/9301.29), only to dump my first registered shareware, CrossPoint, a few months later when the internet was starting to make its first steps in the private sector in germany. I was a fido point! 4:900/748.3. I was a node for 3 other networks too (Music Sound, Desertic and another I can recall the name). Now, I earn my little money with programming (just boring web stuff) and administration, while studying law (funny choice given the background, eh?). Now, I earn my little money with consulting, programming (just boring systems stuff :P) and administration, while playing punk-pop with my band (PLUG! PLUG www.purevolume.com/futurabandapunkpop everything released in creative commons license) and I never went to university. In .ar I wrote many articles in different magazines, given talks on security, programming and FLOSS, I was 6 months in one of Cable tv's most famous technology programms [yeah, talking and everything], and had the chance of meeting Vinton Cerf (I had a nice talk with him, told me I was just a living example of why he created internet. I still have wet dreams about that.), Richard stallman, Jon maddog Hall, Roger Dingledine from the TOR project, and many other hackers while giving a speech about covert channels in the Bolivian hacker conference. That's as far as I got from Buenos Aires. Basicly, this story is a big thank you for the GNU project, Linus Torvalds and BIG TEAM, and everyone else that contributed to what I've been using since the beginning to become what I'm now. A big geek with a potential rfc in his hands. :P Somebody kick me. - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica Foros GNU/Buanzo: Respeto, Soluciones y Buena Onda: http://foros.buanzo.com.ar Consulting and Secure Mail Hosting: http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGINWDAlpOsGhXcE0RCrGpAJ4td3rFej4aUJz7c2FRSKrVGvglIgCeOBmf Lyr89NgEJK9QLNaRJteDDQQ= =FjnM -END PGP
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I enable package specific FEATURES and CFLAGS?
# mkdir -p /etc/portage/env/mail-client # CAT END /etc/portage/env/mail-client/evolution CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O1 -ggdb -pipe FEATURES=$FEATURES splitdebug END Likewise for gnome-extra/evolution-data-server. I think here is some clarification needed, at least for me! Is this functionality now implemented in portage or do need the third-party-tools like portage-bashrc http://www.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vaeth/gentoo/ portage-bashrc-ng http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-472386-start-0-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-bashrcng.html And if it is implemented in portage do i need a /etc/portage/bashrc file or just the env folder with my paket specific settings in the category/app structure? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] updatedb error
updatedb: fatal error: The temp file '/var/lib/rlocate/rlocate.db.stf' already exists and does not appear to be a valid slocate database. Please remove before creating the database. I get this error when I manually run updatedb, or when it is ran by cron. If I remove /var/lib/rlocate/rlocate.db.stf updatedb works, but only untill I (or cron) run it again. Any ideas what's wrong? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
On 4/14/07, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: Thanks :-) And now, here I stand corrected: The thread has actually become a cultural excercise and social mailing list event! Maybe we even make it into the GWN: Big outing party on gentoo-user or similar ;-) OH YES :) OK, I hope I adhere to the auto-adjusted standard for writing one's Gentoo/Linux/Computing history ;-) : Damn, so far your story is the msot similar to mine. Please, fellow gentooers, allow me to extend my bio, while quoting Hans: I'm at the end of 26, using Linux since about 1996 (there was this Corel Linux distribution on some magazine's cover CD...), quickly I'm in the middle of 25, using linux since about 1994 (there was this minilinux.zip 11MB file on some BBS...), quickly chosing Slackware (from the famous Infomagic's Linux Developer Resource CD sets, I got like 4 of them), then SuSE. I never liked Debian. I used SuSE without YaST. I was worn 8/2/82 (yes, at 23:32, lots of mathematical bizarreness here, most numbers in my life have to do with 2 and 8 :P) I started programming at the age of 8, in a Commmodore 64 my biological father had. Then he left, and until 10/11 years old I couldn't get my own computer. I still remember saving every penny I could. In the end I got a 80286, 20/25Mhz, no HD, and 5 1/4 floppy for AR$ 6.200.000 (like USD 620 at that time) in 1990, 1991... I continued programming (although I did at primary school, and the teachers insisted on my mom to get me a computer): more quickbasic, then turbo pascal. I wrote my first BBS for MS-DOS in Turbo Pascal 7.0. I remember using the TurboPower COMM libraries for it (incidentally, my best friend in USA was one of the top programmers at TurboPower...). A couple of years later, I got the minilinux, then full Slackware. That's when I decided to get my own telephone line (Mom, PLEASE, PLEASE, let me have my BBS! I won't dial other BBSes!), and started writing a new, from scratch, BBS system: multiuser, it had instant messaging, tree-based forums, file attachments, private email and multiuser conference, anybody wants the source?). It was my first stake at C. Learning C AND Linux at the same time, at that time, provided LOTS of OS knowledge. I still fix most things by [spl]tracing to find out bugs, or by writing interposers, etc. I was starting secondary school and decided to study electronics. That's where assembler started. I was bad with soldering, but good at microcontrollers :P. Although I already knew about secure coding, learning how to write an exploit helped a lot. As I was interested in Security I never dropped other OSes 100%. Of course, all my servers run Linux, but at home I had Microsofts' OSes and other stuff, mainly for research purposes. I work and play and everything under Linux. At the age of 15, I felt in love with the FIDO-Net (I was 2:240/6010.29, later 2:240/9301.29), only to dump my first registered shareware, CrossPoint, a few months later when the internet was starting to make its first steps in the private sector in germany. I was a fido point! 4:900/748.3. I was a node for 3 other networks too (Music Sound, Desertic and another I can recall the name). Now, I earn my little money with programming (just boring web stuff) and administration, while studying law (funny choice given the background, eh?). Now, I earn my little money with consulting, programming (just boring systems stuff :P) and administration, while playing punk-pop with my band (PLUG! PLUG www.purevolume.com/futurabandapunkpop everything released in creative commons license) and I never went to university. In .ar I wrote many articles in different magazines, given talks on security, programming and FLOSS, I was 6 months in one of Cable tv's most famous technology programms [yeah, talking and everything], and had the chance of meeting Vinton Cerf (I had a nice talk with him, told me I was just a living example of why he created internet. I still have wet dreams about that.), Richard stallman, Jon maddog Hall, Roger Dingledine from the TOR project, and many other hackers while giving a speech about covert channels in the Bolivian hacker conference. That's as far as I got from Buenos Aires. Basicly, this story is a big thank you for the GNU project, Linus Torvalds and BIG TEAM, and everyone else that contributed to what I've been using since the beginning to become what I'm now. A big geek with a potential rfc in his hands. :P Somebody kick me. - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica Foros GNU/Buanzo: Respeto, Soluciones y Buena Onda: http://foros.buanzo.com.ar Consulting and Secure Mail Hosting: http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGINWDAlpOsGhXcE0RCrGpAJ4td3rFej4aUJz7c2FRSKrVGvglIgCeOBmf
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: What is the average age of the gentoo user here? I become 27 in May and use Linux since 2004. I would have started earlier but the linux is difficult to use bias prevented me from trying it earlier. I began with Ubuntu which a friend of mine suggested to me. After a short period i switched to Gentoo which now satisfies all my needs. This includes more control over the system and a greater learning effect. At work i use Suse and Red Hat for CFD purposes. I have never done any kind of programming ecxept for school, but recently i started to write perl scripts which i need at work. So lets see how this is going on. It is good to see some experienced users here, which gives me a feeling of being at the right place when asking questions. Regards Daniel -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How do I enable package specific FEATURES and CFLAGS?
On Saturday 14 April 2007 15:34:59 Daniel Pielmeier wrote:
# mkdir -p /etc/portage/env/mail-client
# CAT END /etc/portage/env/mail-client/evolution
CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O1 -ggdb -pipe
FEATURES=$FEATURES splitdebug
END
Likewise for gnome-extra/evolution-data-server.
I think here is some clarification needed, at least for me!
Is this functionality now implemented in portage or do need the
third-party-tools like [...]
Sort of no to both actually..
And if it is implemented in portage do i need a /etc/portage/bashrc file
or just the env folder with my paket specific settings in the
category/app structure?
It works because of [1] which means that as long as you are using a profile
that inherit from the base profile (all supported profiles do) you don't need
to add anything to /etc/portage/bashrc.
Functionality wise it is in no way different from putting a case construct like:
case ${CATEGORY}/${PN} in
mail-client/evolution | gnome-extra/evolution-data-server )
CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O1 -ggdb -pipe
FEATURES=$FEATURES splitdebug
;;
esac
in /etc/portage/bashrc.
This also means that not all FEATURES set there are going to be respected.
Only the ones that are read in bash code by portage. That does, however,
include splitdebug.
[1]
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/profile.bashrc?rev=1.1view=markup
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Re: [gentoo-user] How do I enable package specific FEATURES and CFLAGS?
Bo Ørsted Andresen schrieb:
On Saturday 14 April 2007 15:34:59 Daniel Pielmeier wrote:
# mkdir -p /etc/portage/env/mail-client
# CAT END /etc/portage/env/mail-client/evolution
CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O1 -ggdb -pipe
FEATURES=$FEATURES splitdebug
END
Likewise for gnome-extra/evolution-data-server.
I think here is some clarification needed, at least for me!
Is this functionality now implemented in portage or do need the
third-party-tools like [...]
Sort of no to both actually..
And if it is implemented in portage do i need a /etc/portage/bashrc file
or just the env folder with my paket specific settings in the
category/app structure?
It works because of [1] which means that as long as you are using a profile
that inherit from the base profile (all supported profiles do) you don't need
to add anything to /etc/portage/bashrc.
Functionality wise it is in no way different from putting a case construct
like:
case ${CATEGORY}/${PN} in
mail-client/evolution | gnome-extra/evolution-data-server )
CFLAGS=-march=k8 -O1 -ggdb -pipe
FEATURES=$FEATURES splitdebug
;;
esac
in /etc/portage/bashrc.
This also means that not all FEATURES set there are going to be respected.
Only the ones that are read in bash code by portage. That does, however,
include splitdebug.
[1]
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/profiles/base/profile.bashrc?rev=1.1view=markup
Okay thanks, i think i got that now.
Is there a list of environment variables which are read in bash code and
therefore could be changed this way?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Packet Shaping
Hello, I have packet shaping set up on my Gentoo router with iptables, shorewall, and The Wonder Shaper which is a /etc/shorewall/tcstart file. It seems to be working since internet radio is now full of hiccups. :) I never quite understood ingress shaping. Dropping packets always sounded wrong to me... Is anyone else using The Wonder Shaper? Would anyone recommend I ditch it and write a tcstart file from scratch? No, just edit it (more than those variables on the top). wshaper is really not that big, well structured and at least somewhat documented. It makes a good template. After a lot of testing, these numbers seem to give me the best performance as far as bittorrent download speed. How can that be? Is DOWNLINK my upload and UPLINK my download? DOWNLINK=425 UPLINK=3450 DEV=ath0 I tried to define the bittorrent ports as a low priority like this: NOPRIOPORTSRC=6881:6999 NOPRIOPORTDST=6881:6999 but I get this when restarting shorewall: Illegal match Are you using port ranges in those variable? - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT im more just curious
You wrote I'm 44. I remember Imsai 8080, Apple II/III and others. In Sweden we had those little boxes known as ABC80 (and later ABC800 with 16 colors and somewhat better graphical resolution). Other boxes are PDP11/70, various PET/Commodore, Ataris et al. I'm felling a huge wave of nostalghia here :) Yes, those Ataris with 16K on-chip OS and 48-64K memory. (400XL) I bought one then at around '82 for 1000? Marks (=$500), the same price I had to shell for a 3,5 Floppy drive for it, the size of a thick book. My first computer, and I'm 44 too! My first Linux was a tarball with Kernel, shell, and some tools including gcc-1.x with a size of around 1-2 MB (memory fails me). It was 1992, not a year after Linus started the thing. After that, there came Slackware for a few years, SuSE for quite some time, LinuxPPC on iMac, Ubuntu, and now Gentoo for some 1,2 years. Regards, ralf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] SQLITE tcl useflag - what for?
Hi everybody, I was emerging sqlite when I found this: mash jpc # emerge -pv sqlite These are the packages that would be merged, in order: [ebuild N] dev-lang/tcl-8.4.9 USE=-threads 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-db/sqlite-3.3.5-r1 USE=doc -debug -nothreadsafe -tcl 0 kB Total: 2 packages (2 new), Size of downloads: 0 kB but, ey! the tcl useflag is not set... so I try it with the useflag set I found this: mash jpc # USE=tcl emerge -pv sqlite These are the packages that would be merged, in order: [ebuild N] dev-lang/tcl-8.4.9 USE=-threads 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-db/sqlite-3.3.5-r1 USE=doc tcl -debug -nothreadsafe 0 kB Total: 2 packages (2 new), Size of downloads: 0 kB No matter if I set the flag or not... I always get the tcl dependency... Any idea? Thanks -- Rodrigo Lazo (rlazo) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: WLAN daemon?
As I understand it a good WLAN device driver will associate and re-associate with the next available device when it comes into range. Some drivers are not that good at re-associating. Right, but just imagine you close the laptop in the university and open it at home again. There is no such thing as re-associating. The interface is still configured for the university net which simply isn't there anymore. Some application needs to scan for available nets and it should then realize, that it should reconfigure the interface for my home net. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] SQLITE tcl useflag - what for?
On Saturday 14 April 2007 18:20:36 Rodrigo Lazo wrote: No matter if I set the flag or not... I always get the tcl dependency... If doc is enabled tcl is mandatory (the dep). If doc is not set tcl is optional depending on the tcl use flag. You can see this yourself if you look in the ebuild. -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Packet Shaping
Hi, On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:37:19 -0700 Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After a lot of testing, these numbers seem to give me the best performance as far as bittorrent download speed. How can that be? Is DOWNLINK my upload and UPLINK my download? Hm, usually not. Are you by chance shaping the internal (i.e. LAN) interface on a router? Then, of course, it would make sense (except from the fact that shaping your actual bottle neck, i.e. Internet connection, would make more sense). I tried to define the bittorrent ports as a low priority like this: NOPRIOPORTSRC=6881:6999 NOPRIOPORTDST=6881:6999 but I get this when restarting shorewall: Illegal match In the wshaper source, the action happens here (and the same for *DST): ---snip for a in $NOPRIOPORTSRC do tc filter add dev $DEV parent 1: protocol ip prio 15 u32 \ match ip sport $a 0x flowid 1:30 done ---snip In this configuration, it expects a shell-separatable list of ports, i.e. separated by whitespace. It will create a rule for each one. The dirty, easy way: | NOPRIOPORTSRC=$(seq 6881 6999) | NOPRIOPORTDST=$NOPRIOPORTSRC But I would rather extend wshaper by another (custom) line and dump your NOPRIOPORT*-settings. The syntax is match ip sport PATTERN MASK. The port of an incoming packet is AND'ed w/ the MASK and compared to the PATTERN. e.g. match ip sport 6880 0xffe0 would match 6880-6911, a further match ip sport 6912 0xffc0 would match 6912-6975. The advantage of this is simply speed/CPU cycles. Alternatively, you could just use iptables to mark your packets (which probably means even more precious CPU cycles). The wshaper script, however, doesn't use iptables. -hwh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [solved] SQLITE tcl useflag - what for?
Hi Bo, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Saturday 14 April 2007 18:20:36 Rodrigo Lazo wrote: No matter if I set the flag or not... I always get the tcl dependency... If doc is enabled tcl is mandatory (the dep). If doc is not set tcl is optional depending on the tcl use flag. You can see this yourself if you look in the ebuild. Thanks a lot! next time I'll see the ebuild first and ask later :) Regards -- Rodrigo Lazo (rlazo) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:03:03 + Guillermo A. Amaral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still test other distros but nothing comes close to Gentoo. They have their merits I guess, but they're just so ... i don't know, clunky I guess. Clunky and unoriginal. I bet almost everybody that runs gentoo has a singular system. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:06:50 +0800 sain yan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I`m 30. Use redhat start 2002 and with gentoo since one year ago . but i lost my laptop yestoday Oh, damn! That's tragic. I hope you've recovered it by now, or will soon. If somebody walks off with it, at least (if it was running gentoo/redhat) they probably won't know what the hell to do with it ; ) -- not that it's much consolation -- but best of luck finding it. I sure hope it wasn't brand new. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
There's one poll in the forums about how old is everyone :) Sergio Polini wrote: I'll be 56 next month. I'm 36 (almost.) My birthday is 09/11... Yup, that same day :( I first used Caldera in 1997, then Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, LFS (Linux From Scratch). I discovered Gentoo in 2004. Debian 1999 Redhat 1999-2001 LFS 2001-2002 Gentoo 2002-present Oh! My firewall's 8GB HD died three days ago and I replaced it with Debian Etch 'cause I needed the box up soon, but I'll reinstall Gentoo for it too ASAP (Debian pulls-in just too much crap.) Sergio Norberto -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
Norberto Bensa wrote: Oh! My firewall's 8GB HD died three days ago and I replaced it with Debian Etch 'cause I needed the box up soon, but I'll reinstall Gentoo for it too ASAP (Debian pulls-in just too much crap. Actually, you might want to have a look at Redwall which is a Gentoo-based firewall distro that can run from CD.;) Be lucky, Neil -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo and WindowMaker
xOn Sat, 07 Apr 2007, Brad Camroux wrote: Greetings, I've been trying to get WindowMaker working on my Gentoo box, so far without success. It's very difficult to find anything on Google et. al., too about getting things working. Today I managed to find the wmaker.inst program to install WindowMaker for the current user, but when I try to login and load WindowMaker, it just goes back to my kdm screen. I've been using Fluxbox in the meantime, and really don't want to just give up and go back to KDE. I want to use a nice, lightweight window manager. Does anyone have any ideas about configuring WindowMaker to work on Gentoo? I know lots of people have done it, but nobody seems to write a detailed account of how. Thanks, Brad Brad I just edited the .xinitrc file in my home directory, and use xdm. cat .xinitrc #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/xbindkeys #/usr/bin/xterm /usr/bin/wmaker It seems that your wmaker is crashing when you start it (goes back to the login screen). Do you use wmaker from portage? There are two important patches incuded which dont come with wmaker from the original source. Urs -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] create an installable custom distro with gentoo?
Hello Michal 'vorner' Vaner, Now you can mount /var remotely (portage compiles there and needs lots of space) - this way you need only the space for installed programs, not compiling and compile on other machine using distcc. portage can use any directory you like for its workspace, you don't have to remote mount /var to achieve this. You could mount /var/tmp over NFS, but setting PORTAGE_TMPDIR is less kludgy. -- Neil Bothwick Data to Picard: 'No, Captain, I do NOT run WINDOWS!' signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT im more just curious
Tony Stohne wrote: hehe, there are some experienced guys ( gals?) on the list. I'm 44. I remember Imsai 8080, Apple II/III and others. In Sweden we had those little boxes known as ABC80 (and later ABC800 with 16 colors and somewhat better graphical resolution). Other boxes are PDP11/70, various PET/Commodore, Ataris et al. I'm felling a huge wave of nostalghia here :) Of course, there were the Mcaintoshes, IBM PC/XT etc. //T Is a Vic-20 considered a computer? That was my first one if it was. God that thing was slow. Could you imagine compiling Open Office on that? Mine had like 8K of ram I think. That was to long ago to remember. Gosh, I need to stop thinking about this stuff. I feel old now. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/-remove-me-dalek1967 Copy n paste then remove the -remove-me- part. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
Forgive me for being naive and maybe asking a question asked before; I have been away from active participation on this list for quite some time. I have done a lot of google searching and can not find any answer to the question of why is Gentoo 2006.1 the latest release? What happened to the quarterly releases? The mailing list is still active, but the lack of a current release seems to indicate that the Gentoo project is no longer truly active. Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
If you want a new release, just emerge --sync. :) On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 20:44 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: Forgive me for being naive and maybe asking a question asked before; I have been away from active participation on this list for quite some time. I have done a lot of google searching and can not find any answer to the question of why is Gentoo 2006.1 the latest release? What happened to the quarterly releases? The mailing list is still active, but the lack of a current release seems to indicate that the Gentoo project is no longer truly active. Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse
RE: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
-Original Message- If you want a new release, just emerge --sync. :) About a month ago I --sync my systems and the available profile was still 2006.1. Maybe 2007.0 will arrive soon if not there already. On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 20:44 -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: Forgive me for being naive and maybe asking a question asked before; I have been away from active participation on this list for quite some time. I have done a lot of google searching and can not find any answer to the question of why is Gentoo 2006.1 the latest release? What happened to the quarterly releases? The mailing list is still active, but the lack of a current release seems to indicate that the Gentoo project is no longer truly active. Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
On Sonntag, 15. April 2007, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: The mailing list is still active, but the lack of a current release seems to indicate that the Gentoo project is no longer truly active. Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse a) gentoo is not about releases. b) the 1.4 release took ages. c) the real indicator of activity is the amount of changes in the portage tree. And surprise! There is the usual high amount of updated, removed or new ebuilds. d) if you want more releases, become a dev and join rel-eng. e) if you look here you'll see that the gentoo-dev ml is as active as always in the last couple of years. http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-devr=1w=2 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Why is the latest release 2006.1?
Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why is Gentoo 2006.1 the latest release? The 2007.0 media should be ready RSN. It hasn't been ready sooner due mainly to security fixes for several major packages. What happened to the quarterly releases? The time frame was too short to get proper testing done on releases, so they switched to bi-annual. -- »Q« -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
El Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:44:56 -0500 Thomas T. Veldhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Forgive me for being naive and maybe asking a question asked before; I have been away from active participation on this list for quite some time. I have done a lot of google searching and can not find any answer to the question of why is Gentoo 2006.1 the latest release? Yes, this has been discussed in a number of places before here. Try in the forums. What happened to the quarterly releases? The mailing list is still active, but the lack of a current release seems to indicate that the Gentoo project is no longer truly active. You are confused about how gentoo works, it is not based on releases. Just sync and you have all the latest stuff at your disponsal, to use it as you wish. Profiles are nothing important in which regards having an updated distro. They are useful for other purposes, though. For example, different architectures and special functionalities like SELinux. If you sync everyday you will see that there is a lot of activity in portage, and the forums and lists are active as always, bugzilla is alive, the community is alive, and, being this a community project, I think that your claim is totally unfounded, and plain wrong. -- Jesús Guerrero -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: OT im more just curious
On 2007-04-13, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-04-13, Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the average age of the gentoo user here? Sent via BlackBerry? from Vodafone ??z? ??(??j)b? bst== I'm 64. Gentoo since 1999. I started with CP/M on a processor Technology SOL-20 in 1979 or 1980. That brings back memories. A SOL-20 was the first microcomputer computer I used. I believe it was 1980. 48K of RAM and two 8 Pertec floppy drives. Before you could boot CP/M from a floppy, you had to load a bootloader from cassette tape. And after all that yammering, I never did actually answer the OP's question. I'll be 47 in a couple weeks... -- Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Sonntag, 15. April 2007, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: The mailing list is still active, but the lack of a current release seems to indicate that the Gentoo project is no longer truly active. Thanks in advance, Tom Veldhouse a) gentoo is not about releases. I understand that. BUT ... it was announced long ago that there was a quarterly release plan starting in 2005. It was followed for only one year? b) the 1.4 release took ages. Indeed ... and then came the apparently aborted plan to do quarterly releases. c) the real indicator of activity is the amount of changes in the portage tree. And surprise! There is the usual high amount of updated, removed or new ebuilds. Yes, not an indicator of quality or progress, just commits. d) if you want more releases, become a dev and join rel-eng. I don't necessarily want more releases. I DO want to know what happened to the release schedule. e) if you look here you'll see that the gentoo-dev ml is as active as always in the last couple of years. http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-devr=1w=2 Good to hear. Tom Veldhouse
[gentoo-user] 2007.0's profile?
Hello, Today after I run emerge --sync, I find that the 2007.0's profile is added, so what should I do with it? is that ln -s 2007.0's profile to /etc/make.profile then emerge -avuDN world just OK? If not, what should I need to do? Thanks very much! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2007.0's profile?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Today after I run emerge --sync, I find that the 2007.0's profile is added, so what should I do with it? is that ln -s 2007.0's profile to /etc/make.profile then emerge -avuDN world just OK? If not, what should I need to do? Thanks very much! I admit, I like to keep my system up to date as much as I can but you may want to wait and make sure it is stable first. Let it sit for a month or so and if there is not any problems, or at least not any serious ones, then change it. Unless you really need to have the new profile, why the hurry? It's not a huge deal anyway. From the little knowledge I have regarding this, it may not really change much of anything that you will notice. It's sort of like going up one version of a kernel, it may be different but you may not be able to tell it either. Your mileage may vary though. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/-remove-me-dalek1967 Copy n paste then remove the -remove-me- part. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2007.0's profile?
On Sonntag, 15. April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Today after I run emerge --sync, I find that the 2007.0's profile is added, so what should I do with it? nothing is that ln -s 2007.0's profile to /etc/make.profile then emerge -avuDN world just OK? If not, what should I need to do? yes, it should be ok. If 2007 is stable. Just wait some time - at least until 2007.0 is officially released. You don't need to switch at the moment or in the next couple of month. Just wait and watch the others suffer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
deface wrote: If you want a new release, just emerge --sync. :) Not true. 2006.1 doesn't boot on my hardware. I needed to bootstrap on an old box, then swap hard drives. Not very friendly. We (I) need 2007.0 ASAP. Regards, Norberto -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why is the latest release 2006.1?
On 4/15/07, Norberto Bensa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deface wrote: If you want a new release, just emerge --sync. :) Not true. 2006.1 doesn't boot on my hardware. I needed to bootstrap on an old box, then swap hard drives. Not very friendly. We (I) need 2007.0 ASAP. Just get any old version (that works), install, and when its all done, upgrade. Simple as that. I used an old 2005 install disc for an emergency installation at a friend the other day. The only thing that bothered me was the GCC upgrade, the rest went smoothly, as all you need is a sync to be able to install the latest software, upgrade all packages, use the latest profile, etc. There's no urgency for a new release, it's really not needed because of the way Gentoo works. -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT im more just curious
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the average age of the gentoo user here? Sent via BlackBerry® from Vodafone �éí¢‹¬z¸ žÚ(¢¸j)bž bst== I'm 44, started using UNIX in 1990 (Dynix and SunOS). Discovered Linux in 1997 or 1998 (Redhat 5.1). Moved to using FreeBSD as well as Linux in 2001 or so. Only started with Gentoo in 2006 (moved from Redhat/Fedora after getting fed up with 'rpm hell'). Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
