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Indi wrote:
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 08:07:24PM -0400, Indi wrote:
So, following several suggestions I emerge thunderbird for
testing, and the first thing I noticed is it does what people
insist it doesn't do: creates redundant Trash and Drafts
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 11:03:54PM +0100, Mick wrote:
Both consolekit and polkit are running. What could be the problem?
$ ps axf | grep polkit
8961 pts/1SN+0:00 \_ grep
--color=auto polkit
5678 ?Sl 0:00 /usr/libexec/polkitd
$ ps
Apparently, though unproven, at 02:27 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 08:07:24PM -0400, Indi wrote:
So, following several suggestions I emerge thunderbird for
testing, and the first thing I noticed is it does what people
insist it doesn't do: creates
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 05:55, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
I asked on the hardened list and haven't heard anything for a few days.
We might just have to wait until someone notices and fixes it.
Thanks. Pray tell us when there's nows and/or explanation :)
Rgds,
--
Pandu E
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Believe it or not you are supposed to make invisible all the junk the app
created.
Well, once you get some of the amazingly bone-headed defaults corrected
tbird is pretty nice -- for people with eagle eyes who don't need an
On 2011-06-06 6:34 AM, Indi wrote:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Believe it or not you are supposed to make invisible all the junk the app
created.
Dunno what that means... you have to tell it where to store Drafts,
Trash, Sent messages, etc - what is so
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:34 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Believe it or not you are supposed to make invisible all the junk the
app created.
Well, once you get some of the amazingly bone-headed
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 07:01:47AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2011-06-05 11:44 PM, Indi wrote:
I see what you mean about the default config, LOL.
Been trying to change the font sizes used for the message list and
folder pane, but no success yet. Makes it a bit hard to see things but
other
Yesterday I emerged Libreoffice-bin 3.4 and the installation worked fine.
However, when I try to run it, I receive this error message :
Failed to execute child process libreoffice3.4 (No such file or
directory).
Any clue ?
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:56 on Monday 06 June 2011, Tanstaafl did
opine thusly:
On 2011-06-06 6:34 AM, Indi wrote:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Believe it or not you are supposed to make invisible all the junk the
app created.
Dunno what
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:56:25AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2011-06-06 6:34 AM, Indi wrote:
After much googling the conclusion is many many people are desperately
unhappy about the fonts in tbrd and incredibly, it ain't fixable!
Hard-coded font sizes -- isn't that, like, retardn00b
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 01:16:27PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:34 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Believe it or not you are supposed to make invisible all the junk the
app
On Sunday 05 June 2011 22:15:18 Ignas Anikevicius wrote:
On 05/06/11 21:34, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
Thanks, I have found that, but I failed to find any documentation on
what is the syntax of the file as this file on my laptop is very sparse.
I.
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:56:25AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
Easily fixable... Tools Options Display Formatting
Oh wait a minute, *NOW* I see!
You're not using what I tested at all -- either you're in windows or
you're using something other than thunderbird 3.
Sorry, we don't do windows
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:48 PM, dhk...@optonline.net wrote:
Correct, not in world.
Sent from my LG phone
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 03 Jun 2011 19:36:19 dhk wrote:
libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib64/libcurl.la' or
unhandled
Only to add that I haven't
On 2011-06-06 7:19 AM, Indi wrote:
Anyone can point to a google search, smartass. :)
I've been called worse... ;)
Of course, the search turns up nothing that works for tbird3.
It doesn't state specifically, but the very first hit works fine for
3.1.10 for me...
Do you *really* imagine I'd
On 2011-06-06 7:22 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
It's a minor gripe, to be sure, but a well-rounded release could have
shown a dialog to the user and asking them to select the various
folders to use. Or even if it finds Trash and expected to find
Junk or Deleted Items it could use what is there.
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:24 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
BTW, those of us with vision issues need the options for fonts to be
obvious, otherwise testing and configuration is very painful. But I
believe enough hours were spent testing that if I didn't find it
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:32 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
tbird is a Moz product. Rendering stuff on screen is almost everything
that they do ... everything else supporting just that one thing
Yes, well isn't their cluelessness regarding defaults kind of
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 01:22:34PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:56 on Monday 06 June 2011, Tanstaafl did
opine thusly:
On 2011-06-06 6:34 AM, Indi wrote:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:27:48AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Believe it or not you are supposed
On 2011-06-06 8:26 AM, Indi wrote:
It forces one to log into the IMAP server manually and restore order,
as the configuration dialog gives no way of doing that. Then, making
sure tbird is not running, one must go into ~/.thunderbird/, find the
files that specify IMAp and local folders,
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 08:13:31AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
As to your last - yes, I'm on Windows (as I stated before) - but nothing
says this hack only works on Windows...
It doesn't work in linux.
It was the first thing I tried.
***[Snip all the rest of the advice that doesn't work in
Hi,
Am 06.06.2011 12:34, schrieb Indi:
Another giant, glaring flaw: Doesn't appear to be any addressbook
integration whatsoever that I can find, so it's necessary to pretend
it's the 80s and remember the ancient practice of clunkily, manually
C P from the *separate* addressbook. Jzus,
You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of
thunderbird. IOW you can stop now!
Thank you.
:)
--
klaatu virada nicto
Am 06.06.2011 13:21, schrieb Fernando Antunes:
Yesterday I emerged Libreoffice-bin 3.4 and the installation worked fine.
However, when I try to run it, I receive this error message :
Failed to execute child process libreoffice3.4 (No such file or
directory).
Any clue ?
Same here. I
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 02:38:17PM +0200, enno+gen...@groeper-berlin.de wrote:
As I'm not affected I don't know about any issues for the visually impaired.
Sadly, a lot of people (including developers) seem to think that people
either see or are blind and that's it. I see plenty well enough
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 02:23:06PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:32 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
tbird is a Moz product. Rendering stuff on screen is almost everything
that they do ... everything else supporting just that one thing
On 2011-06-06 8:44 AM, Indi wrote:
You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of
thunderbird. IOW you can stop now!
As I said, there is nothing indicating that userChrome.css hacks are not
cross-platform. I really did think they were. Also, I *did* state in my
initial
Am 06.06.2011 14:44, schrieb Indi:
You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of
thunderbird. IOW you can stop now!
I use Thunderbird here runnung on my beloved gentoo and all that
Tanstaafl wrote just works here too.
So if it does not work for you it most likely is
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 03:47:33PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
Am 06.06.2011 14:44, schrieb Indi:
You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of
thunderbird. IOW you can stop now!
I use Thunderbird here runnung on my beloved gentoo and all that
Tanstaafl wrote
Am 06.06.2011 16:24, schrieb Indi:
If you (or if anyone using it *on* *linux*) manage(s) to double the
size of the default fonts in the folder list and message list I'll
listen,
You mean something like this?
http://twitpic.com/57u6s9
It works just like Tanstaafl said with userChrome.css
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 09:37:26AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2011-06-06 8:44 AM, Indi wrote:
You need to realize you're giving advice about the windows version of
thunderbird. IOW you can stop now!
As I said, there is nothing indicating that userChrome.css hacks are not
cross-platform. I
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 04:33:20PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
Am 06.06.2011 16:24, schrieb Indi:
If you (or if anyone using it *on* *linux*) manage(s) to double the
size of the default fonts in the folder list and message list I'll
listen,
You mean something like this?
Am 06.06.2011 16:48, schrieb Indi:
Very first thing I tried after realizing they stupidly didn't allow
it in the config options was
/* Global UI font */
* { font-size: 32px !important;
font-family: DejaVu Sans Mono !important;
}
Zero results.
That looks right.
Where in your
On 2011-06-06 10:48 AM, Indi wrote:
At one point it was far more specific with a number of individual
fonts listed, not one of them worked.
Did you make the change while Thunderbird was running?
As I said, changes to userChromes.css MUST be done while it is NOT
running, otherwise they WILL
As an extension of my previous mail there is although the addon stylish
that can be used to set all that without the need to restart thunderbird
for every change.
https://addons.mozilla.org/de/thunderbird/addon/stylish/
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On Monday 06 June 2011 08:36:47 Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2011-06-06 8:26 AM, Indi wrote:
It forces one to log into the IMAP server manually and restore order,
as the configuration dialog gives no way of doing that. Then, making
sure tbird is not running, one must go into ~/.thunderbird/, find
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:58:55 +0200
Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote:
Am 06.06.2011 16:48, schrieb Indi:
Very first thing I tried after realizing they stupidly didn't allow
it in the config options was
/* Global UI font */
* { font-size: 32px !important;
Am 06.06.2011 17:18, schrieb Indi:
Maybe we should also both remember that I *am* running ~x86?
:)
That should make now difference, my girlfriend uses ~x86 on her laptop
and there thunderbird reads and applies the userChrome.css just like
here with my ~amd64 thunderbird.
The programmcode for
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:13:39 +0200
Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote:
As an extension of my previous mail there is although the addon
stylish that can be used to set all that without the need to restart
thunderbird for every change.
On 2011-06-06 11:16 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
All you have to do is first tell Thunderbird which folders you want to use:
Tools Accounts Settings Copies Folders
For Trash:
Tools Accounts Settings Server Settings When I delete a message:
2 different locations to configure the
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 11:07:28 -0400
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2011-06-06 10:48 AM, Indi wrote:
At one point it was far more specific with a number of individual
fonts listed, not one of them worked.
Did you make the change while Thunderbird was running?
No.
Also
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:28:14 +0200
Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote:
Am 06.06.2011 17:18, schrieb Indi:
Maybe we should also both remember that I *am* running ~x86?
:)
That should make now difference, my girlfriend uses ~x86 on her laptop
and there thunderbird reads and
Am 06.06.2011 17:55, schrieb Indi:
Uh, no. I will decide what's too big to be usable, not the software,
thank you.
It is not really the software that decides that. Thunderbird is a gui
application and all guis have limitations that they have to cope with.
Thunderbird with its mostly fixed
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 05:28:14PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
Am 06.06.2011 17:18, schrieb Indi:
Maybe we should also both remember that I *am* running ~x86?
:)
That should make now difference, my girlfriend uses ~x86 on her laptop
and there thunderbird reads and applies the
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:34:34PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
Am 06.06.2011 17:55, schrieb Indi:
Uh, no. I will decide what's too big to be usable, not the software,
thank you.
It is not really the software that decides that. Thunderbird is a gui
application and all guis have
On 6/6/2011 5:36 AM, Indi wrote:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 08:13:31AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
As to your last - yes, I'm on Windows (as I stated before) - but nothing
says this hack only works on Windows...
It doesn't work in linux.
It was the first thing I tried.
***[Snip all the rest of
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 12:38:08PM -0400, Indi wrote:
xulrunner is 2.0.1-r1i
Should say 2.0.1-r1, sorry.
--
klaatu virada nicto
Am 06.06.2011 18:38, schrieb Indi:
BTW, the testing I did was with version 3.1.10, and with portage
building it, rather than using thunderbird-bin. The version of
xulrunner is 2.0.1-r1i, which seems to be working just fine with
both firefox and conkeror (no, I don't mean konqueror).
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 09:42:01AM -0700, kashani wrote:
I'd like to point out that the PEBCAK was on your end.
Sorry, no.
And you just used your one shot at trolling me.
Do it again and it's the bozo bin for you.
--
klaatu virada nicto
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:50:34PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
Thunderbird doesn't use system xulrunner.
I use mail-client/thunderbird-3.1.10 and xulrunner-5.0_beta2 for firefox.
Thanks for the info.
What matters though is that it is very hard to configure properly
for people who
On 06/06/2011 09:52 AM, Indi wrote:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 09:42:01AM -0700, kashani wrote:
I'd like to point out that the PEBCAK was on your end.
Sorry, no.
And you just used your one shot at trolling me.
Do it again and it's the bozo bin for you.
Well, Indi, you are now right
Am 06.06.2011 19:04, schrieb Indi:
Thanks for the info.
What matters though is that it is very hard to configure properly
for people who need larger fonts so I'm not going to bother
with it further.
Not every tool is for every user or every need.
If there a better tool to use then why
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:16:12AM -0700, Bill Longman wrote:
On 06/06/2011 09:52 AM, Indi wrote:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 09:42:01AM -0700, kashani wrote:
I'd like to point out that the PEBCAK was on your end.
Sorry, no.
And you just used your one shot at trolling me.
Do it
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 07:19:40PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
Not every tool is for every user or every need.
If there a better tool to use then why bother with something less.
I'm not a thunderbird fanboy so i can accept that t-bird has its
limitations and its problems and that it is
Indi thebeelzebubtrigger at gmail.com writes:
Sadly, a lot of people (including developers) seem to think that people
either see or are blind and that's it. I see plenty well enough for most
things that need doing (the state of GA even says I can drive, but then
if you've ever been here
There was an answer to this question from Alan McKinnon some day ago
regarding this topic:
alan's quote
The few times I've seen this discussed in public it's usually been
something
mundane like package X in system won't build for hardened so we omitted
that
stage till it's fixed or we ran out of
Indi thebeelzebubtrigger at gmail.com writes:
The font thing is one of the main reasons I prefer so many CLI programs.
I can configure my terminals and emulators *once* and most everything I
need is usable. A lot of the gtk, qt, fltk, etc interfaces are
absolutely horrible for people who
On 06/06/2011 11:07 AM, James wrote:
Using seamonkey as the browser, you can just set your middle mouse
button or wheel to roll up and down the size of the font for anything
you see. Very convenient for folks that constantly need to adjust fonts sizes.
I never tried to set this up for
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:01:35 + (UTC)
James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Indi thebeelzebubtrigger at gmail.com writes:
Sadly, a lot of people (including developers) seem to think that
people either see or are blind and that's it. I see plenty well
enough for most things that need
Hi, Gentoo.
Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days,
unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs
developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than
I can handle comfortably.
I've counted 28 questions I've asked since late
On 6 June 2011 09:23, YoYo Siska y...@gl.ksp.sk wrote:
On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 11:03:54PM +0100, Mick wrote:
Both consolekit and polkit are running. What could be the problem?
$ ps axf | grep polkit
8961 pts/1 SN+ 0:00 \_ grep
--color=auto polkit
Am 06.06.2011 20:32, schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
Hi, Gentoo.
Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days,
unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs
developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than
I can handle comfortably.
Apparently, though unproven, at 20:32 on Monday 06 June 2011, Alan Mackenzie
did opine thusly:
Hi, Gentoo.
Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days,
unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs
developer; the number of emails on both lists
Alan Mackenzie acm at muc.de writes:
Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days,
Well, you can withdraw from the volume of mail
but using gmane to interface to the list:
gmane.org
Just use an interface like gmane.org
or follow the postings (when time permits) via
your
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
Hi, Gentoo.
Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days,
unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs
developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than
I can
Apparently, though unproven, at 20:24 on Monday 06 June 2011, Indi did opine
thusly:
We have folks every week that park their car inside of their
neighbor's living room. Mix that traffic pattern with Tourists
of vacation and you can see just how fun our roads are here.
Florida leads
On Monday 06 Jun 2011 19:32:11 Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hi, Gentoo.
Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days,
unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs
developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than
I can handle
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:32:11PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hi, Gentoo.
Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days,
unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs
developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than
I can
On 6/6/2011 11:32 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hi, Gentoo.
Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days,
unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs
developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than
I can handle comfortably.
I've
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 20:59:46 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
You all ain't seen nothing yet, try Johannesburg.
We don't have lions and tigers in the streets but we got at least one
of anything else that's crazy
Especially BOFH sysadmins...
--
Neil Bothwick
ISDN: It Still Does Nothing
On 06/06/2011 05:26 AM, Indi wrote:
The fact they carried so many of their mistakes to v3 as if they
were treasure not to be left behind has perhaps said the most
about why I can't recommend or support thunderbird.
I can't disagree, but I've become accustomed to its bugs :)
This thread is
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 08:21:21AM -0300, Fernando Antunes wrote
Yesterday I emerged Libreoffice-bin 3.4 and the installation worked fine.
However, when I try to run it, I receive this error message :
Failed to execute child process libreoffice3.4 (No such file or
directory).
I'm not sure I understand why this happens:
Left monitor is 1280x1024 native resolution, right monitor is larger.
The virtualbox control panel opens on the left monitor and stays there. If I
launch a guest (Windows7) it pops up in the left monitor too. That's how it
should be, but the vbox
On 06/06/2011 11:32 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hi, Gentoo.
Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days,
unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs
developer...
BTW, you've never told us your opinion of vi...
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:08 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mick did opine
thusly:
I'm not sure I understand why this happens:
Left monitor is 1280x1024 native resolution, right monitor is larger.
The virtualbox control panel opens on the left monitor and stays there. If
I launch a
Indi thebeelzebubtrigger at gmail.com writes:
Do people down there spend an inordinate amount of time setting off
explosives and shooting guns, like they do here in GA? Originally
I'm from NE PA, which is a pretty redneck place. But GA is a whole
nother thang, as they say. :) Most people
On 06/06/2011 11:32 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hi, Gentoo.
Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days,
unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs
developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than
I can handle comfortably.
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, James did opine
thusly:
Indi thebeelzebubtrigger at gmail.com writes:
Do people down there spend an inordinate amount of time setting off
explosives and shooting guns, like they do here in GA? Originally
I'm from NE PA, which
Long live emacs !
emacs is an essential part of my personal toolkit. I've been using it
since 1996. For 11 yrs before that I used epsilon - an editor
with much the same keymappings.
I started using epsilon (
On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:32:11 +
Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hi, Gentoo.
Just to
On 6/6/2011 4:31 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, James did opine
thusly:
Ju want closet commando action? Check out some of my old
college buddies from Alaska:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tza2L6kfl8Efeature=youtu.be
PEACE (through
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:03 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Walter Dnes did
opine thusly:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 08:21:21AM -0300, Fernando Antunes wrote
Yesterday I emerged Libreoffice-bin 3.4 and the installation worked fine.
However, when I try to run it, I receive this error
Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, James did opine
thusly:
Indithebeelzebubtriggerat gmail.com writes:
Do people down there spend an inordinate amount of time setting off
explosives and shooting guns, like they do here in GA?
El 03/06/11 15:28, Pandu Poluan escribió:
Anyone knows why current-stage3/ no longer has the hardened stage3 tarballs?
Rgds,
There have been some issues generating them last week. AFAIK the
Hardened team is working with the autobuilds team to fix them.
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On 06/06/2011 11:32 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
Hi, Gentoo.
Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days,
unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs
developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than
I can
On Monday 06 Jun 2011 23:44:12 Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:08 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mick did
opine
thusly:
I'm not sure I understand why this happens:
Left monitor is 1280x1024 native resolution, right monitor is larger.
The virtualbox control panel
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