Re: [gentoo-user] How to cross compile Perl for ARM?

2011-10-16 Thread Raffaele BELARDI
On 10/14/2011 05:15 PM, czernitko wrote: > AFAIK the biggest disadvantage of crossdev-created toolchain, compared > to other cross compilation tools, is that without usage of emulator > (like qemu-user) it is not possible to compile things that use in their > configure scipts checks that need to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 17.10.2011 00:46, schrieb Alex Schuster: > Florian Philipp is not up to date yet: > >> I agree that the problem should be solved but just in case Colleen wants >> to continue with his installation (I know, he is installing Gentoo for >~~~ ~~

Re: [gentoo-user] libpng15: fltk & graphicsmagick failed to build

2011-10-16 Thread Bill Kenworthy
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384257 Search an ye shall find ... On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 04:42 +0200, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Hi, > > after updating to lipng15 and rebuilding all needed stuff, fltk > and graphicsmagick exhibit build failures: > > === FLTK ===

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Andrey Moshbear
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 22:06, Adam Carter wrote: >>> The * is actually included in the output and I was too chicken to try >>> this.  I don't understand why ati or radeon isn't listed 'cause I >>> followed the Gentoo ATI Guide and X Configuration Guide. > > Do you have the opengl USE flag set? >

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Dale
CJoeB wrote: On 10/16/11 16:19, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:14:45 -0500 Dale wrote: CJoeB wrote: On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote: Thanks for the input. This issue is somewhat resolved. On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeB wrote: (...) If this is your first install,

[gentoo-user] libpng15: fltk & graphicsmagick failed to build

2011-10-16 Thread meino . cramer
Hi, after updating to lipng15 and rebuilding all needed stuff, fltk and graphicsmagick exhibit build failures: === FLTK === Compiling FileIcon2.cxx... Compiling Fl_Guess_Image.cxx... Compiling fl_jpeg.cxx... Compiling fl_png.cxx... fl_png.cxx: In member function ‘virtual bool fltk::pngImage::fet

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Adam Carter
>> The * is actually included in the output and I was too chicken to try >> this.  I don't understand why ati or radeon isn't listed 'cause I >> followed the Gentoo ATI Guide and X Configuration Guide. Do you have the opengl USE flag set? , fglrx is too much effort. fglrx is no trouble at all, b

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Andrey Moshbear
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 21:46, CJoeB wrote: > On 10/16/11 20:38, Adam Carter wrote: >>> BTW, I had forgotten to run 'eselect opengl set ati' which I've always >>> done when configuring X.  However, when I do this, it returns >>> 'Unrecognized option:  ati' >>> >>> You all are probably thinking I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 20:38, Adam Carter wrote: >> BTW, I had forgotten to run 'eselect opengl set ati' which I've always >> done when configuring X. However, when I do this, it returns >> 'Unrecognized option: ati' >> >> You all are probably thinking I'm nuts now, but I thought this my solve >> the issue

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Adam Carter
> BTW, I had forgotten to run 'eselect opengl set ati' which I've always > done when configuring X.  However, when I do this, it returns > 'Unrecognized option:  ati' > > You all are probably thinking I'm nuts now, but I thought this my solve > the issue as stated about.  I've checked an rechecked

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 18:23, Mick wrote: > On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 23:04:00 CJoeB wrote: >> On 10/16/11 17:24, Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:02:08 +0100, Mick wrote: As I said above the kernel ought to manage the order in which the modules and dependencies are loaded. >>> Would buil

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 16:19, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:14:45 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> CJoeB wrote: >>> On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the input. This issue is somewhat resolved. On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeB wrote: > (...) >>> Not my first insta

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Alex Schuster
Florian Philipp is not up to date yet: > I agree that the problem should be solved but just in case Colleen wants > to continue with his installation (I know, he is installing Gentoo for ~~~ ~~~ > the first time so I doubt he values

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 16.10.2011 12:18, schrieb Mick: > On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 11:05:55 Florian Philipp wrote: >> Am 16.10.2011 01:05, schrieb CJoeB: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo >>> installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt. >>> >>> How

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 23:04:00 CJoeB wrote: > On 10/16/11 17:24, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:02:08 +0100, Mick wrote: > >> As I said above the kernel ought to manage the order in which the > >> modules and dependencies are loaded. > > > > Would building one modules into the ker

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 22:56:36 CJoeB wrote: > On 10/16/11 17:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:19:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> Colleen's been here longer than I have :-) > > > > You shouldn't make such statements about a lady :P > > That gave me a huge laugh! Good consid

Re: [gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/10/16 Alan Mackenzie : > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 03:41:32PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: >> 2011/10/16 Alan Mackenzie : Your doubts come to an end. radeonhd is dead, completely, unless some necromancy has happened secretly in the last months. You should by all means be using radeon

Re: [gentoo-user] Dennis Ritchie

2011-10-16 Thread luis jure
on 2011-10-16 at 23:54 Alex Schuster wrote: >luis jure writes: >> sorry, colleen, i hadn't noticed you before. are you new on the list? > >You'd be surprised :-) oops, i see! sorry again!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/10/16 Nikos Chantziaras : > On 10/16/2011 04:41 PM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: >> >> 2011/10/16 Alan Mackenzie: >>> >>> Hi, Jesús. >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 01:41:21PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella >>> wrote: Does this happen on other WMs as well? >>> >>> Yes, it happe

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 22:24:17 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:02:08 +0100, Mick wrote: > > As I said above the kernel ought to manage the order in which the > > modules and dependencies are loaded. > > Would building one modules into the kernel and the other as a module > solve (wel

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 17:24, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:02:08 +0100, Mick wrote: > >> As I said above the kernel ought to manage the order in which the >> modules and dependencies are loaded. > Would building one modules into the kernel and the other as a module > solve (well, kludge) the

Re: [gentoo-user] Dennis Ritchie

2011-10-16 Thread Alex Schuster
luis jure writes: > on 2011-10-16 at 22:03 Alex Schuster wrote: > >>> [1] sorry if there are any girls out there, but i think i have never >>> seen any female names on this list... >> >> I see one :) > > yes, so do i, now, after sending my last message... > > sorry, colleen, i hadn't noticed y

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 17:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:19:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> Colleen's been here longer than I have :-) > You shouldn't make such statements about a lady :P > > That gave me a huge laugh! Good considering the trials and tribulations I've gone through with

Re: [gentoo-user] Dennis Ritchie

2011-10-16 Thread luis jure
on 2011-10-16 at 22:03 Alex Schuster wrote: >> [1] sorry if there are any girls out there, but i think i have never >> seen any female names on this list... > >I see one :) > yes, so do i, now, after sending my last message... sorry, colleen, i hadn't noticed you before. are you new on the lis

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:22:30 +0100 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:19:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Colleen's been here longer than I have :-) > > You shouldn't make such statements about a lady :P > > True, but I'm a geek :-) Social subtleties (and even manners as a

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 17:02:08 +0100, Mick wrote: > As I said above the kernel ought to manage the order in which the > modules and dependencies are loaded. Would building one modules into the kernel and the other as a module solve (well, kludge) the loading order problem? -- Neil Bothwick Ever

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 10:52:51 -0400, CJoeB wrote: > I couldn't do lshw because I had to install it and there was an error > during the build. Something about a "gui" and I don't have x installed > yet. USE="-gtk" emerge -1 lshw -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 32: Living dead signature

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:19:27 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Colleen's been here longer than I have :-) You shouldn't make such statements about a lady :P -- Neil Bothwick Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-user] Re: How to cross compile Perl for ARM?

2011-10-16 Thread James
czernitko gmail.com> writes: > Hello!I started playing a little bit with cross compilation > for ARM architecture. Using crossdev I created a toolchain > for arm-none-linux-gnueabi tuple.Now I'd like to emerge > some more packages, but perl constantly refuses to emerge > and it is needed by

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 16:19, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:14:45 -0500 > Dale wrote: > >> CJoeB wrote: >>> On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the input. This issue is somewhat resolved. On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeB wrote: > (...) If this is your f

Re: [gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 03:41:32PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: > 2011/10/16 Alan Mackenzie : > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 01:41:21PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: > That probably confirms it's not a gnome issue. The cursor is an X > thing, in any case. > >> Also, did you upd

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 16.10.2011 21:19, schrieb CJoeB: > On 10/16/11 13:37, Mick wrote: >> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 17:08:45 CJoeB wrote: >>> On 10/16/11 11:29, Matthew Finkel wrote: On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, CJoeB >>> > wrote: > Also: Are the modules actually

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:14:45 -0500 Dale wrote: > CJoeB wrote: > > On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote: > > > > Thanks for the input. This issue is somewhat resolved. > >> On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeB wrote: > >>> (...) > >> If this is your first install, is FrameBuffer (pretty consoles)

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Dale
CJoeB wrote: On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote: Thanks for the input. This issue is somewhat resolved. On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeB wrote: (...) If this is your first install, is FrameBuffer (pretty consoles) really a vital component of getting your machine up and running? Not my

Re: [gentoo-user] Dennis Ritchie

2011-10-16 Thread Alex Schuster
luis jure writes: > hello boys [1], [...] > [1] sorry if there are any girls out there, but i think i have never seen > any female names on this list... I see one :) Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 13:37, Mick wrote: > On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 17:08:45 CJoeB wrote: >> On 10/16/11 11:29, Matthew Finkel wrote: >>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, CJoeB >> >>> > wrote: >>> > Also: Are the modules actually loaded before you unload them? Use >>> >

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 17:08:45 CJoeB wrote: > On 10/16/11 11:29, Matthew Finkel wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, CJoeB > > > > wrote: > > > Also: Are the modules actually loaded before you unload them? Use > > > `modprobe -vr broadcom tg3`. If

[gentoo-user] Allowable characters for routing table name?

2011-10-16 Thread Pandu Poluan
I'm curious: what are the allowable characters for routing tables aliases in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables ? Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] How to cross compile Perl for ARM?

2011-10-16 Thread czernitko
Hi Leho! Thanks for many links, Jude Pereira's work totally missed my search results. In fact I focused on playing with Qemu. First approach was to emulate whole board (using qemu-system-arm) which works so far best of all, but is painfully slow (but not more than other options). As for chrooted e

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2011-10-16 Thread Dennis Preus
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Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 11:29, Matthew Finkel wrote: > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, CJoeB > wrote: > > > Also: Are the modules actually loaded before you unload them? Use > > `modprobe -vr broadcom tg3`. If there is no output, the module > was not > > load

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 15:52:51 CJoeB wrote: > On 10/16/11 06:43, Mick wrote: > > On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 00:05:01 CJoeB wrote: > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> > >> However, now I have a networking issue. > >> > >> In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethernet connection was > >> not active,

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Matthew Finkel
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:05 AM, CJoeB wrote: > > Also: Are the modules actually loaded before you unload them? Use > > `modprobe -vr broadcom tg3`. If there is no output, the module was not > > loaded. > Prior to unloading the modules, output from 'modprobe -vr broadcom tg3' is > > rmmod /lib/m

[gentoo-user] Re: My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 10/16/2011 04:41 PM, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: 2011/10/16 Alan Mackenzie: Hi, Jesús. On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 01:41:21PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: Does this happen on other WMs as well? Yes, it happens on xfce, too. That probably confirms it's not a gnome issue. The

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 08:59, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 16.10.2011 12:43, schrieb Mick: >> On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 00:05:01 CJoeB wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo >>> installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt. >>> >>> However

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 08:06, James Broadhead wrote: Thanks for the input. This issue is somewhat resolved. > On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeB wrote: >> (...) > If this is your first install, is FrameBuffer (pretty consoles) really > a vital component of getting your machine up and running? Not my first ins

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 06:43, Mick wrote: > On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 00:05:01 CJoeB wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> >> However, now I have a networking issue. >> >> In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethernet connection was >> not active, I typed net-setup eth0 and was able to set it up. This >> time,

Re: [gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
2011/10/16 Alan Mackenzie : > Hi, Jesús. > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 01:41:21PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: >> Does this happen on other WMs as well? > > Yes, it happens on xfce, too. That probably confirms it's not a gnome issue. The cursor is an X thing, in any case. >> Also, did yo

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread CJoeB
On 10/16/11 05:59, Stroller wrote: > On 16 October 2011, at 00:05, CJoeB wrote: >> ... >> However, when I boot, eth0 does not start. I can start it manually by >> doing 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then 'modprobe >> broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3' >> >> However, I would like to ha

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 16.10.2011 12:43, schrieb Mick: > On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 00:05:01 CJoeB wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo >> installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt. >> >> However, now I have a networking issue. >> >> In past, whe

Re: [gentoo-user] pam-1.1.4 emerge error on x86

2011-10-16 Thread Jonas de Buhr
Am Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:50:23 +0100 schrieb Mick : >[snip snip] > [snip...] > > > > Thank you! :-) > > > > you're welcome ;) > > its really easy to help you because you provide the right > > information =) > > To save me asking next time ... how did you know that pax-utils was > to blame? i sa

Re: [gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Jesús. On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 01:41:21PM +0200, Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote: > Does this happen on other WMs as well? Yes, it happens on xfce, too. > To me, this sounds like a driver issue. Some drivers (the binary > nvidia one, namely) do have some options to control the aspect of the

[gentoo-user] Re: My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread walt
On 10/16/2011 03:15 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Gentoo! > > I'm using Gnome 2.32.1 in X11. > > My mouse pointers have all acquired unwanted borders. That is to say, > where there used just to be a solid black arrow, it is now surrounded by > a black outline enclosing a white outline aroun

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread James Broadhead
On 15 October 2011 23:44, CJoeB wrote: > (...) If this is your first install, is FrameBuffer (pretty consoles) really a vital component of getting your machine up and running? If not, then you should not have any fb driver in your grub.conf (and perhaps add 'nofb' to your kernel options line. I

Re: [gentoo-user] How to cross compile Perl for ARM?

2011-10-16 Thread Leho Kraav
i have managed to cross-compile a pretty complete stage3 for arm i believe with perl-5.10.1 from http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/embedded-cross.git;a=tree;f=dev-lang/perl overall the cross-compile experience was a nightmare, esp. re perl and python. many packages obscurely fail, b

Re: [gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
Does this happen on other WMs as well? To me, this sounds like a driver issue. Some drivers (the binary nvidia one, namely) do have some options to control the aspect of the pointer. I never played with them so I don't know if this is one of the available options. If you are using effects, try to

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 00:05:01 CJoeB wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo > installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt. > > However, now I have a networking issue. > > In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethern

[gentoo-user] My X11 mouse icons have acquired unwanted borders. Help!

2011-10-16 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Gentoo! I'm using Gnome 2.32.1 in X11. My mouse pointers have all acquired unwanted borders. That is to say, where there used just to be a solid black arrow, it is now surrounded by a black outline enclosing a white outline around the arrow. I don't like this! I didn't ask for it! I fi

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 16 Oct 2011 11:05:55 Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 16.10.2011 01:05, schrieb CJoeB: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo > > installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt. > > > > However, now I have a networking issue.

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 16.10.2011 01:05, schrieb CJoeB: > Hi everyone, > > Well, thanks to the help I got from the list, I finally have Gentoo > installed on my new desktop and booting to a command prompt. > > However, now I have a networking issue. > > In past, when I booted to the install CD and my ethernet conne

Re: [gentoo-user] Another Install Issue

2011-10-16 Thread Stroller
On 16 October 2011, at 00:05, CJoeB wrote: > ... > However, when I boot, eth0 does not start. I can start it manually by > doing 'modprobe -r broadcom' and 'modprobe -r tg3' and then 'modprobe > broadcom' and 'modprobe tg3' > > However, I would like to have my network started automatically. Lis

[gentoo-user] Subdirs with mutt

2011-10-16 Thread Andrey Moshbear
For mutt, I'm using a maildir. How do I get subdirs created by maildirmake -f ~/.mail to show up in mutt's sidebar and how do I switch between the top-level folder and subfolders without qmutt.. ? -- 001100 Andrey "m05hbear" Vul 010010 00 andrey at moshbear dot net 11 andrey dot vul at gm