On 06/04/2014 11:11 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Greg Woodbury wrote:
>> To see this as only freedom for the developer is part of an attitude
>> shift over the years that only lessens the overall usefulness of Linux
>> and FOSS. It does, in fact, push quite a f
On Wednesday 04 Jun 2014 23:27:05 Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 05/06/14 01:14, »Q« wrote:
> > On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:06:07 +0200
> >
> > Alan McKinnon wrote:
> >> The good news is that the version of upower prior to this decision
> >> still works fine and likely will for ages to come. That code ha
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
> On 05/06/14 03:22, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
>> This effected stable tree of Gentoo as well, pulling undesired
>> different layout into stable is something that should have been
>> avoided. It is about time we split the profiles, systemd is not
On 05/06/14 03:22, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> This effected stable tree of Gentoo as well, pulling undesired
> different layout into stable is something that should have been
> avoided. It is about time we split the profiles, systemd is not option
> for people who runs openrc.
Indeed, I support the i
On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 07:16:33PM +, James wrote
> Anyway, I'd like to hear all of the ideas, including various
> disciplined (structured) approaches I can take to minimize uniqueness
> in my lab and what I'm currently doing (mostly). I also have usb
> sticks, but I've found booting various o
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
> On 05/06/14 02:25, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
>>> On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder
On 05/06/14 02:25, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
>> On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>>> On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote:
> Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen:
On 05/06/14 02:15, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>> On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
>>> On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote:
Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen:
> On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
>> No, "sys-
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:15:22 -0400, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> I suppose its now time for an uninstall. Kind of disappointing; we are
> told Gentoo is about choices, and in fact that's true. I made the
> choice to use a pure openRC system. The last 7 hours of free time,
> though, was spent trying,
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>>
>> On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
>>> On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote:
Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen:
> On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:59:18 +0200, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> I encrypt my home partition with LUKS and enter a passphrase
> during boot. But I always wanted to get decryption upon login running,
> especially because it would require me to enter one less password. But
> haven’t gotten around to t
On 04/06/2014 21:16, James wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I have a compliment of older x86 and amd64 boxes that I use for
> testing things; new or specialized gentoo offerings and such. Mostly amd64.
> Many of the older ide/ata drive systems have front loaded carriers
> that have quick hot swap fe
On 06/04/2014 03:17 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>
> On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
>> On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote:
>>> Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen:
On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> No, "sys-fs/udev" is not masked, but an update is indic
On 05/06/14 01:14, »Q« wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:06:07 +0200
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>> The good news is that the version of upower prior to this decision
>> still works fine and likely will for ages to come. That code has been
>> bundled into a new package upower-pm-utils.
>>
>> Anyone th
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:06:07 +0200
Alan McKinnon wrote:
> The good news is that the version of upower prior to this decision
> still works fine and likely will for ages to come. That code has been
> bundled into a new package upower-pm-utils.
>
> Anyone that feels like doing it can now step up t
On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:54:52AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:06:18 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
> > If you encrypt your home directory then you unlock it when you log in so
> > logging out of your DE safely locks things again.
I encrypt my home partition with LUKS and e
On 04/06/14 22:27, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 04/06/14 21:44, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> Hello list,
>>
>> The current debate over upower and upower-pm-utils has got me thinking (yes,
>> I
>> know): is it possible to install Gentoo on a desktop or a mini-server
>> without
>> any PM at all?
> Of
On 04/06/14 21:44, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> The current debate over upower and upower-pm-utils has got me thinking (yes,
> I
> know): is it possible to install Gentoo on a desktop or a mini-server without
> any PM at all?
Of course. It's USE="-upower" to make.conf and couple of
On 04/06/14 20:11, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote:
>> Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen:
>>> On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
No, "sys-fs/udev" is not masked, but an update is indicated in the
emerge above. That's a good catch, th
Hello everybody,
I have a compliment of older x86 and amd64 boxes that I use for
testing things; new or specialized gentoo offerings and such. Mostly amd64.
Many of the older ide/ata drive systems have front loaded carriers
that have quick hot swap feature that make it easy to shut down
a machine
On Wednesday 04 June 2014 20:28:22 Marc Joliet wrote:
> I'm grateful! In fact, since I have this opportunity: thank you and all the
> other devs for your hard work, and for withstanding insufferable users :) .
[AOL]
Me too.
[/AOL]
--
Regards
Peter
Hello list,
The current debate over upower and upower-pm-utils has got me thinking (yes, I
know): is it possible to install Gentoo on a desktop or a mini-server without
any PM at all? I've been browsing the Web but not found much, and I don't see
any clues in USE flags.
Maybe things like suspe
Am Wed, 04 Jun 2014 16:08:02 +0300
schrieb Samuli Suominen :
[...]
> So yeah, only working with what upstreams provide as a distribution
> maintainer/packager, and people shouldn't try to dump this somehow on
> me. Fact that
> they have some fallback, like upower-pm-utils at all, is something they
john jdm.myzen.co.uk> writes:
>
> On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 18:11:11 -0400
> covici ccs.covici.com wrote:
>
> > James tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > john jdm.myzen.co.uk> writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > lxqt is up and running in Gentoo. It's listed in packages.
> > > > The only problem I had was
On 06/04/2014 07:22 AM, Daniel Troeder wrote:
> Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen:
>>
>> On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
>>> No, "sys-fs/udev" is not masked, but an update is indicated in the
>>> emerge above. That's a good catch, the MATE stuff is from the overlay.
>>> Unfort
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 6/3/2014 1:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
[ ... ]
>> Who is "forcing" anything?
>
>
> I was specifically referring to your comment that:
>
>> The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more
>> infrastructure migrates toward
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Greg Woodbury wrote:
> On 06/03/2014 10:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Greg Woodbury wrote:
>
>>
>>> Sure, systemd is a more elegant solution than the patchworks that have
>>> been applied several times to the original SysV con
On 04/06/14 16:47, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 08:21:51 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>> And yes, as devs get lazier (decide to rely on systemd rather than
>> build it to work independently of the init system),
> Reusing existing, proven code is not laziness, it is efficiency. Yes,
> th
On Wed, 04 Jun 2014 08:21:51 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> And yes, as devs get lazier (decide to rely on systemd rather than
> build it to work independently of the init system),
Reusing existing, proven code is not laziness, it is efficiency. Yes,
they could code their own version, but all the time
On 04/06/14 15:58, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> And yes, as devs get lazier (decide to rely on systemd rather than build it
>> to work independently of the init system), this will in fact result in
>> *users* (read: those lacking the skills to code eve
On 04/06/14 15:21, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 6/3/2014 1:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Tanstaafl
>> wrote:
>>> On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more
infrastructure migr
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> And yes, as devs get lazier (decide to rely on systemd rather than build it
> to work independently of the init system), this will in fact result in
> *users* (read: those lacking the skills to code every program out there to
> work without system
On 04/06/14 15:15, Daniel Troeder wrote:
> Am 04.06.2014 13:22, schrieb Daniel Troeder:
>> Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen:
>>> On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
No, "sys-fs/udev" is not masked, but an update is indicated in the
emerge above. That's a good catch, the
On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:17:21 -0400
Dutch Ingraham wrote:
> That's a good catch, the MATE stuff is from the overlay.
MATE 1.6 is stable in the Portage tree, MATE 1.8 is testing in the
Portage tree; both had their upower dependencies fixed up days ago.
--
With kind regards,
Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
On 6/3/2014 1:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 6/3/2014 11:10 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Maybe. The thing is, this is going to keep happening, as more and more
infrastructure migrates towards systemd. Perhaps a news item everytime
it
Am 04.06.2014 13:22, schrieb Daniel Troeder:
> Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen:
>>
>> On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
>>> No, "sys-fs/udev" is not masked, but an update is indicated in the
>>> emerge above. That's a good catch, the MATE stuff is from the overlay.
>>> Unfortu
Am 04.06.2014 06:05, schrieb Samuli Suominen:
>
> On 04/06/14 05:17, Dutch Ingraham wrote:
>> No, "sys-fs/udev" is not masked, but an update is indicated in the
>> emerge above. That's a good catch, the MATE stuff is from the overlay.
>> Unfortunately, the xfce stuff is not, so even if the overl
On 06/03/2014 10:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Greg Woodbury wrote:
>
>> Sure, systemd is a more elegant solution than the patchworks that have
>> been applied several times to the original SysV concept.
>
> Glad to see you recognize that.
>
>> However, th
On Tuesday 03 June 2014 10:39:10 »Q« wrote:
> I figured out what I wanted to do (uninstall upower, install
> upower-pm-utils) by reading the changelogs, but I don't know what my
> other options were. Could I have stuck with upower, letting it pull in
> systemd, without messing up openrc?
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