Re: [geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering

2009-12-29 Thread Stephen Salter
Dan and Andrew I share Andrew's worry about oxygen depletion if there are too many nutrients but I hope that because the sinks are moving oxygen-rich surface water downwards and then letting it come part of the way up we should be providing more. I share Dan's concern about a network of

Re: [geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering

2009-12-29 Thread Ken Caldeira
Steve, Raw ocean nutrient data is available at: http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/WOD09/pr_wod09.html Gridded data is available at: http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/WOA05/pr_woa05.html Graphical representations of nutrient and oxygen fields are available at:

Re: [geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering (back to original thread)

2009-12-29 Thread John Nissen
Thanks Ron. That paper you mention from Intellectual Ventures Lab [1] has some excellent arguments for geoengineering in general and for the Lab's geoengineering design work in particular. For example: --- 8. What is the greatest potential benefit you see from geoengineering? What about

Re: [geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering

2009-12-28 Thread Mike MacCracken
Just a note that while pumping heat down into the ocean can lead to local cooling, storing heat in the ocean is adding and retaining energy, so will eventually emerge as warming. And, of course, it will contribute to sea level rise. Thus, while a local effort of this type to help limit hurricane

Re: [geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering

2009-12-28 Thread Stephen Salter
Hi All The oceans are a big thermal store so the scheme would give us time for a quiet think. However we can bring nutrients up to the photic layers and grow more phytoplankton giving more dimethyl sulphide for cloud nuclei and converting lots of CO2 to non acidic biomass, some of which we

Re: [geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering

2009-12-28 Thread Dan Whaley
Steve, In talking to Dave Karl a few years ago who was testing Phil Kithil's tube, it seemed like a core problem was trying to select for a depth where you had more nutrients (P, N) than CO2, so there was a net gain... since carbon is also greater at depth. Also-- Phil seemed to think he would

Re: [geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering

2009-12-28 Thread Dan Whaley
You're conflating two things Andrew, the limitation on growth and the consequences (usually on heterotrophs) of its decomposition / remineralization. Free oxygen is never limiting on photosynthesis, since it is not consumed in the process, but rather produced. Anoxia or hypoxia as a result of

Re: [geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering

2009-12-27 Thread Ron Larson
John and list: I agree that this was an important interview for advancing geoengineering (Fareed Zakaria is one of my favorite writers/analysts/interviewers). My main objection was that Fareed or his show producers seemed to not be aware of the limitations of SRM. By this I mean that

[geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering: two schemes better than one?

2009-12-27 Thread John Latham
* Hello John et al, Thank you, John, for drawing attention to the fascinating Nathan Myhrvold interview. In my view the stratospheric seeding SRM scheme developed by Nathan, Lowell Wood (both colossally brilliant and creative scientists) and others is very likely to work effectively if

Re: [geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering

2009-12-27 Thread Arcologic
Hello, I'm new here and I expect to make a few blunders until I am better acquainted with previous discussions. I am a retired physicist and have some leadership role in the Sierra Club. The Salter Sink is an excellent concept for raising cold water to the surface. the area that needs

Re: [geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering: two schemes better than one?

2009-12-27 Thread John Gorman
Cc: Geoengineering ; Oliver Tickell Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:33 AM Subject: [geo] Nathan Myhrvold argues for geoengineering: two schemes better than one? Hello John et al, Thank you, John, for drawing attention to the fascinating Nathan Myhrvold interview. In my view