Re: [geo] Comparing MCB v. Aerosol SRM

2015-06-02 Thread John Latham
PS to last Hello Eric, Many apologies for my post-midnight slips. Although I think the the difference in costs between the 2 systems is not as important as the fact that both systems are extremely inexpensive , my long-standing collaborator Stephen Salter has conducted careful comprehensive cost

[geo] Modeling and optimal operation of carbon capture from the air driven by intermittent and volatile wind power — ScienceDirect

2015-06-02 Thread Andrew Lockley
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0360544215005654 Energy Available online 28 May 2015, doi:10.1016/j.energy.2015.04.098 In Press Modeling and optimal operation of carbon capture from the air driven by intermittent and volatile wind power Canbing Li Haiqing Shi Liang Sun

Re: [geo] On why we'll very likely need climate engineering

2015-06-02 Thread Hawkins, Dave
Jon, I think you are underestimating the human propensity to assume the best about alternatives to paths that worry them. We are not mitigating enough because there are too many people who think mitigation will have all sorts of negative impacts on them. Those same people are unlikely to

Re: [geo] On why we'll very likely need climate engineering

2015-06-02 Thread Mike MacCracken
Dear Jon‹While I think you overstate the situation with climate engineering in terms of both uncertainties and costs (i.e., keeping the climate roughly as it is likely has fewer uncertainties that heading to a 2 to 4 C climate with its uncertainties; and the costs of climate engineering may well

Re: [geo] On why we'll very likely need climate engineering

2015-06-02 Thread Hawkins, Dave
It may be more effective to point out that even those who assert that Geoengineering at some level can be safe and effective, assert with equal strength that it should not be seen as an alternative to emissions avoidance. Typed on tiny keyboard. Caveat lector. On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:12 PM, Jon

Re: [geo] World Bank report highlights necessity of (BE)CCS

2015-06-02 Thread John Nissen
IPCC and the World bank ignore that we need ramp up removal technologies until we are removing more CO2 than we are putting into the atmosphere. This ramp up needs to start straight away, if we are to have a reasonable chance of avoiding both dangerous global warming and dangerous ocean

Re: [geo] On why we'll very likely need climate engineering

2015-06-02 Thread Jon Lawhead
As a philosopher working on this issue, it seems to me that this provides a really strong argument in favor of focused attention on mitigation. There's at least some degree of popular perception that geoengineering provides a fail safe for fixing the climate if/when we fail to successfully

Re: [geo] World Bank report highlights necessity of (BE)CCS

2015-06-02 Thread John Harte
Recall that the natural sink strength today is about 4 or 5 Gt(C)/y … there is no reason to think that this sink strength, which is effectively driven by the difference between the current atmospheric concentration and the concentration in an atmosphere in equilibrium with the current ocean

Re: [geo] On why we'll very likely need climate engineering

2015-06-02 Thread Mike MacCracken
So far I've been unable to download the files at the BLM site and look at their very lengthy materials, but it was possible to do a search on the draft, and (no guarantees I did it right) I did not find a single mention of climate or carbon dioxide. That, I think, gives a hint at how much they

Re: [geo] On why we'll very likely need climate engineering

2015-06-02 Thread Hawkins, Dave
Thanks for sending this chapter. One indicator of its sloppiness is that it stops its description of proposed legislation IN THE U.S. Congress in 2009, ignoring what happened in the six years since then. Sent from my iPad On May 31, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Mike MacCracken

Re: [geo] On why we'll very likely need climate engineering

2015-06-02 Thread Alan Robock
Dear Mike and Jon, I agree with Jon. And Mike, I think you are ignoring all the unsolvable problems with geoengineering (considering only stratospheric aerosols - the most likely option). First, it looks like the aerosols will grow as more SO2 is injected. As Niemeier and Timmreck (2015)

Re: [geo] On why we'll very likely need climate engineering

2015-06-02 Thread Mike MacCracken
I'm all for mitigation and push hard for it, writing legal declarations seeking to get leaders to pay attention to the issue and the law, pushing for going after short-lived species in the near term as well and personally investing in and encouraging development of green technologies--but then we

[geo] The uncertain climate footprint of wetlands under human pressure

2015-06-02 Thread Andrew Lockley
Poster's note : relevant to CDR by land use management http://m.pnas.org/content/112/15/4594 PNAS Homepage Current Issue vol. 112 no. 15 Ana Maria Roxana Petrescu, 4594–4599 The uncertain climate footprint of wetlands under human pressure Significance Wetlands are unique ecosystems

[geo] No-till agriculture and climate change mitigation : Nature Climate Change

2015-06-02 Thread Andrew Lockley
Poster's note : response below. Relevant to land use CDR http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v5/n6/full/nclimate2653.html?WT.ec_id=NCLIMATE-201506 No-till agriculture and climate change mitigation Henry Neufeldt, Gabrielle Kissinger Joseph Alcamo Nature Climate Change 5, 488–489 (2015)