[geo] RE: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Veli Albert Kallio
Hi John, Nitrous Oxide (N2O) is another Greenhouse gas melting permafrost releases besides methane and carbon dioxide which is often forgotten and there are substantial amounts of that as well. So, it should appear as a point 6. although it is not carbon, but its still biomass related.

Re: [geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Andrew Lockley
Using liquid air to seal methane vents may well work. Using it for general cooling of the sea or land surface will not. Oxides of nitrogen are critical in the formation of hydroxyl radicals. They therefore play a key role in the breakdown of methane. Although greenhouse gases in their own

Re: [geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Michael Hayes
On the issue of using Lair as a vent sealant, I may be wrong, but, I do believe the ice formed would most likely float away. And, a vent would be most likely more of a diffused field of bubble streams as opposed to a central vent. Also, capping such a vent with even cement will be eventually

Re: [geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Andrew Lockley
You should be able to detect methane release using gas samplers on buoys or the sea bed. Hydrophones may also detect bubbles. Autonomous ships could also be used, or data could be collected from any existing marine traffic. Aerial imaging could detect larger releases. Putting liquid air into the

Re: [geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Michael Hayes
Unfortunately, my personal belief is that we have already failed (time wise) and that the policy makers will not recognize the need for large scale efforts in time to avoid the first tipping point from developing. Look at the arctic data for April. There is an unusually high temperature formation

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Ken Caldeira
The inclusion of the word only renders Josh's statement false: In particular - only Biochar (and not all of CDR) provides rather than requires energy AND Biochar is the only CDR approach that provides out-year climate benefits. Biomass energy combined with carbon capture and geologic storage

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Joshua Horton
Please note that I did not make this statement, I leave it to Ron to address ... Josh On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Ken Caldeira kcalde...@carnegie.stanford.edu wrote: The inclusion of the word only renders Josh's statement false: In particular - only Biochar (and not all of CDR) provides

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Ron Larson
Josh, Ken, List I also am perplexed. By out year, I meant several things: increased soil productivity, reduced fertilizer requirements, reduced irrigation needs and likely less N2O release. Possibly for millennia, certainly centuries. Energy provision follows from the desirable use

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Ron Larson
Tim and list I should have mentioned both BECCS and enhanced weathering in my list of comparisons. But neither violate the twin claims re Biochar I am making: energy release (carbon neutral) and out-year (some carbon-neutral, some carbon-negative) benefits. I also am not saying these

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Rau, Greg
Unclear on the statement “only Biochar ...provides rather than requires energy...” Unless I’m missing something biochar requires massive solar energy input, meaning massive land (and/or ocean?) area management, and probably water and nutrient management as well (additional energy

[geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Mark Massmann
John and All- Andrew makes a great point. If methane release tends to be limited to vents or so-called hotspots, and the number of vents is a reasonable amount, the use of Lair or LN2 to freeze and seal these vents becomes MUCH more feasible than trying to cool/refreeze large permafrost regions.

[geo] Re: Arctic methane

2011-05-09 Thread Mark Massmann
John and All- Mr. Lockley makes a great point. If methane release tends to be limited to vents or so-called hotspots, and the number of vents is a reasonable amount, the use of Lair or LN2 to freeze and seal these vents becomes MUCH more feasible than trying to cool/refreeze large permafrost

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread rongretlarson
Prof. Rau: 1. It will take a while to get around the pay wall for the House article [ ^ House, K.Z., House, C.H, Schrag, D.P., Aziz, M.J. Electrochemical acceleration of chemical weathering as an energetically feasible approach to mitigating anthropogenic climate change. Environ. Sci.

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread rongretlarson
Greg, List, etal (Hoping that Dr. Hansen finds time to read little items like this - if from Dr. Rau) see inserts below - Original Message - From: Greg Rau r...@llnl.gov To: rongretlar...@comcast.net Cc: geoengineering geoengineering@googlegroups.com, joshuahorton...@gmail.com,

Re: [geo] Re: Vatican Report

2011-05-09 Thread Michael Hayes
I would like to offer two suggestion. There is growing use of Biochar in china at the consumer level through this type of product. http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/singfieldgas Close evaluation of that trend may prove insightful to the Biochar issue. Please note that this type of reactor

[geo] Lecture on Methane Hydrates by Dr. Mariam Kastner

2011-05-09 Thread Michael Hayes
Hi All, This is a 1hr. lecture that is highly informative as to the state of knowledge on the issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSTm6cZjO14feature=related In dealing with vents, one possible path came to mind as I watched the lecture. That is, accelerating methane aerobic oxidation