Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
Raphael, can I ask you a thing? You could maybe just add (or ask someone to add) a zero-out transparent pixels on the layers menu. This will make you possibly happy, and will NOT arbitrarily throw away data that is relevant to more than one group of users as this thread had shown. Maybe, if

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Joao S. O. Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You could maybe just add (or ask someone to add) a zero-out transparent pixels on the layers menu. There's a perl script in gimp-perl which does just that: Image-Alpha-Clear Alpha Sven ___

PNG zeroing transparent pixels. Was.. Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
Ok, I managed to change my png plugin to handle cleaning out all transparent pixels. What do you say? Is it interesting to go in right now? If it is a PNG recomendation, then it might be a nice add on, and it is small enough to go in even now, before the first pre-2.0. a 640x480 pix image

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread pcg
On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 10:45:56PM +, Adam D. Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's quite equivalent to letting the user take the saturation knob down to zero and then coming back later, turning up the saturation again and wondering where the original colours To just throw in another personal

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread Adam D. Moss
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: However, the layer effects people want is (in my eyes) exactly that: apply some saturation effect to a layer that you can later change without loss of fidelity. And that'd be pretty groovy, and it'd work BECAUSE the layer effect is conceptually (and

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
Hi, On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 17:59, Raphaël Quinet wrote: Basically, the model that we should promote is: - layer mask= hiding mechanism, reversible - alpha channel = pixels that are cleared have undefined RGB data, not reversible (except for undo) Breaking this model

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
Actually, this will be quite possible with the custom layer mode I was cooking a couple months ago, and which I plan do revive to Gimp 2.2 .. As an effect that applyes to the layer itself,like the dissolve layer mode, instead of on combinations, it is doable there. One will just have to write

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread Stephen J Baker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: To just throw in another personal opinion: The behaviour you describe wrt. saturation would be hilarious. It's even implemented that way in current gimp _until_ you say OK. After which you have to (comparatively) clumsily have to re-adjust it. If

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread Stephen J Baker
Stephen J Baker wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: To just throw in another personal opinion: The behaviour you describe wrt. saturation would be hilarious. It's even implemented that way in current gimp _until_ you say OK. After which you have to (comparatively) clumsily

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread pcg
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 07:51:13PM +, Adam D. Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) wrote: While I sometimes find the erase tool conceptually difficult to use (maybe because it's so unusual), the question is wether this is just a weird added feature (as

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread Roel Schroeven
Raphaël Quinet wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:31:29 -0200, Joao S. O. Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could maybe just add (or ask someone to add) a zero-out transparent pixels on the layers menu. [...] I do not care (yet) about clearing the transparent pixels, destroying color data, using

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread pcg
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 05:55:06PM -0200, Joao S. O. Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, this will be quite possible with the custom layer mode I was cooking a couple months ago, and which I plan do revive to Gimp Right, still I disagree in practise, and here is why: While it can be

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread Adam D. Moss
Stephen J Baker wrote: I would rather hide that widget from Joe Public to avoid confusing him than to unnecessarily destroy valuable data. Let me say this one more time: If GIMP produces truly undefined data where Alpha is zero - then GIMP will become utterly useless for painting texture maps for

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread usr352
Raphaël Quinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You consider that in certain circumstances this behaviour could be considered a bug. Yes, because presenting undefined data to the user should be avoided. I mostly agree with you, but there are reasons for me wanting the feature implemented as the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Handling of transparent pixels

2003-12-16 Thread Patrick McFarland
On 17-Dec-2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conceptually, I agree that alpha = 0 means that the RGB value of the pixel is undefined. Alpha = coverage; coverage = 0 means no pixel is there. Gone. Inexistent. On the other hand, mask = 0 does NOT mean that the corresponding pixel is inexistent, as

Re: [Gimp-developer] Updating Script-Fu scripts for GIMP 1.3+

2003-12-16 Thread pcg
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 04:09:45AM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Script-Fu scripts? In the days of GIMP 1.1.x there used to be a script which aided in the updating of Script-Fu scripts from the 1.0 API to the 1.1/1.2 API but I don't see one in the 1.3 CVS copy of GIMP.