Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread Tor Lillqvist
> [ It's all about attitude. Saying "Patches welcome" is an unhelpful attitude. OK, so what about "Feel free to ask for your money back"? Or "OK, I guess you have to use the competing products then"? --tml ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread Graeme Gill
Sparr wrote: > is broken, switch (temporarily)". Everyone waited for Microsoft to > fix the DX problem (which never happened, ATI and nVidia implemented > workarounds in their drivers instead). Expecting Blizzard's > developers to fix (or even acknowledge) bugs in Microsoft's code is > silly[1].

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread jcupitt
Hi Martin, 2009/10/22 Martin Nordholts : > It doesn't seem feasible from a performance perspective to construct > complex compositing graphs from scratch all the time. For example, can > caches be reused between VIPS pipeline setups? That's true, there is a cost there. I would argue: - VIPS does

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 10/22/2009 09:58 PM, jcup...@gmail.com wrote: > 2009/10/22 Martin Nordholts : >>> I have the impression that the least painful way to make GEGL fast >>> SOON may be to build its desired API on top of VIPS. >> >> We can't use VIPS in GIMP because we need a dynamic graph. >> In practice that also

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread jcupitt
2009/10/22 Martin Nordholts : >> I have the impression that the least painful way to make GEGL fast >> SOON may be to build its desired API on top of VIPS. > > We can't use VIPS in GIMP because we need a dynamic graph. > In practice that also rules out implementing GEGL with VIPS. You could use VI

Re: [Gimp-developer] The mailing list uptime; ask GNOME to host?

2009-10-22 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 10/22/2009 07:37 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote: > Martin Nordholts wrote: > >> It is exactly that that is our root problem, we don't have such an admin. One >> way to solve this is to move the list to a place that has sysadmins. > > A place like XCF at Berkeley? > > Contrary to popular belief,

Re: [Gimp-developer] The mailing list uptime; ask GNOME to host?

2009-10-22 Thread Michael Schumacher
Martin Nordholts wrote: > It is exactly that that is our root problem, we don't have such an admin. One > way to solve this is to move the list to a place that has sysadmins. A place like XCF at Berkeley? Contrary to popular belief, the mailing list server is not located in yosh's bedroom. I've

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread Sparr
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Ilya Zakharevich wrote: >> I can see how a John Do can blame GIMP for GTK+ issues, but I don't >> see why GIMP developers should bother about John Do's misconceptions >> about software development. > > These are not misconceptions.  Software does not modularize; at

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 10/22/2009 04:15 PM, Nicolas Robidoux wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:50 PM, peter sikking wrote: > >> another 'external' area where we really can use some help is gegl, >> to get that from its bumbling experimentation speed to production >> speeds that are same or even better that curren

Re: [Gimp-developer] Progressive escalation of help

2009-10-22 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > IMO the real solution is to shop documentation with GIMP. Ship, that is :) Alexandre ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mai

Re: [Gimp-developer] Progressive escalation of help

2009-10-22 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Sven Neumann wrote: >> This is a very sad situation.  Note that most of users won't be able >> to install GIMP documentation locally [*], and in today's state of >> mobility, people are very often without Internet access... >> >>   [*] Try to understand how to get

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread Nicolas Robidoux
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:50 PM, peter sikking wrote: > another 'external' area where we really can use some help is gegl, > to get that from its bumbling experimentation speed to production > speeds that are same or even better that current GIMP (I read between > the lines in irc that not everyt

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread Fredrik Alströmer
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 15:57, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: >> another 'external' area where we really can use some help is gegl, >> to get that from its bumbling experimentation speed to production >> speeds that are same or even better that current GIMP (I read between >> the lines in irc that no

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:50 PM, peter sikking wrote: > "GIMP is looking for an experienced windows XYZ developer who > can really make a difference to our user experience on windows." > > I do not want this to be a high-maintenance thing like the SoC. > The effort for the current contributors sho

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Ilya Zakharevich wrote: >> If a particular system service in Windows gets broken and some apps >> don't work as expected, would it be their developers fault? :) > > If they fix the defect - yes, of course. Yes, of course -- what? ;) >> I can see how a John Do can

[Gimp-developer] GIMP/GEGL panorama (360 degrees) group photos from LGM 2009

2009-10-22 Thread Nicolas Robidoux
Here's Yuval Levy's account of his experience using GIMP to produce the panoramas: http://panospace.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/making-the-gimp-work-for-me/ Nicolas Robidoux ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lis

[Gimp-developer] GIMP/GEGL panorama (360 degrees) group photos from LGM 2009

2009-10-22 Thread Nicolas Robidoux
Yuval Levy [0] has produced paroramic mug shots of the GIMP/GEGL developers present at Libre Graphics Meeting 2009 in Montreal. Everything was done with with FLOSS. This is a still picture: http://www.photopla.net/hugin/090509lgm03_gimp_240st.tif This is a rotating animation: http://www.photop

[Gimp-developer] open/save/export

2009-10-22 Thread Nicolas Robidoux
(Apologies if this repeats a previous suggestion.) I am wondering if making a distinction between saving an IMAGE (which would have an export format component) saving a PROJECT (basically, saving a GEGL tree: this should be the "quick save") saving a WORKSPACE (chosen

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread Alexia Death
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:50 PM, peter sikking wrote: > what we can do is be much more concrete on www.gimp.org and > say on the home page: "Help wanted". This is eerily close > to job openings at companies, but that is what we have. I actually like this idea. It would be awesome if we could li

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread peter sikking
OK guys, the tone of this discussion is distracting from the real problems we have and a possible solution. and we do have problems that are in gtk (mainly on windows) and with a load of window managers that do not even implement the window hint that we are apparently the bleeding-edge users of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Would single-window fix usability nightmares?

2009-10-22 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Alexia Death wrote: > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Ilya Zakharevich > wrote: >>> I can see how a John Do can blame GIMP for GTK+ issues, but I don't >>> see why GIMP developers should bother about John Do's misconceptions >>> about software development. >> >>