Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-22 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 03/22/2011 01:37 AM, Jacek Poplawski wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:30 PM, gespert...@gmail.com gespert...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the people ask for CMYK because: I need CMYK support for photo retouch, to create better colors. CMYK is no different than LAB, HSV or RGB. It is

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-22 Thread SorinN
Jacek - you don't need CMYK for photos [I need CMYK support for photo retouch, to create better colors]. CMYK eventually will kill some nuances - being dependent on the paper (or other support) color. RGB colors on screen make use of luminance of the screen pixels - you can have many nuances of

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-22 Thread Jacek Poplawski
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:19 AM, SorinN nemes.so...@gmail.com wrote: Jacek - you don't need CMYK for photos [I need CMYK support for photo retouch, to create better colors]. I am familiar with this opinion. I don't want to continue offtopic discussion in this thread, so I just give one example:

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-22 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 03/22/2011 08:25 AM, Jacek Poplawski wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 8:19 AM, SorinNnemes.so...@gmail.com wrote: Jacek - you don't need CMYK for photos [I need CMYK support for photo retouch, to create better colors]. I am familiar with this opinion. I don't want to continue offtopic

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-22 Thread Jacek Poplawski
My current workflow: 1) choose photos in Digikam, copy them to another folder 2) open photo in RawTherapee 3) try to get good colour and contrast in RT, fix highlights, etc, then export to Gimp (RT has no layers) 4) use RGB curves in Gimp, sometimes decompose to RGB and combine layers to create

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-22 Thread Martin Nordholts
On 03/22/2011 08:20 AM, Martin Nordholts wrote: LAB values makes colorimetric sense by themselves, without any additional information. Correction: For CIELAB values to make colorimetric sense, it is necessary to also know the reference white point. / Martin -- My GIMP Blog:

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-22 Thread Jon Senior
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:14:43 +0100 Jacek Poplawski jacekpoplaw...@gmail.com wrote: PS. CMYK is also best colorspace for skin color retouch by numbers, that's why I wanted to fix CMYK values in Gimp colorpicker, but there was big discussion on this mailing on this subject Martin: I don't know

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-22 Thread Martin Nordholts
2011/3/22 Jacek Poplawski jacekpoplaw...@gmail.com: CMYK is also best colorspace for skin color retouch by numbers, No it isn't, because unless you go through a lot of extra work to avoid it, colors in the image that the used CMYK color space is unable to represent will get lost. / Martin --

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-22 Thread SorinN
No it isn't, because unless you go through a lot of extra work to avoid it, colors in the image that the used CMYK color space is unable to represent will get lost. True. Lot of work in studio then offset hardware will trow out different things ..because : paper quality, paper type ( coated /

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-22 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/22/11, Jacek Poplawski wrote: I am familiar with this opinion. I don't want to continue offtopic discussion in this thread, so I just give one example: curves. You can get more interesting retouch when using curves in CMYK and in LAB and in RGB than using only RGB curves. LAB curves are

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-22 Thread Chris Mohler
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM, gespert...@gmail.com gespert...@gmail.com wrote: Those operations are: - Combining the alpha channel of the pure C, M, Y, K areas with the corresponding separated channel via screen blending mode. - Converting desired CMYK percentages to grayscale values and

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-21 Thread gespert...@gmail.com
Hi. Although it's a good idea to have the separate- plugin bundled in default GIMP installation, I'd like to discuss some enhancements that could be done in its bigger brother Separate+ to make it more functional for people who needs more advanced CMYK usage. The idea is quite simple and wouldn't

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-21 Thread Jacek Poplawski
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:30 PM, gespert...@gmail.com gespert...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the people ask for CMYK because: I need CMYK support for photo retouch, to create better colors. CMYK is no different than LAB, HSV or RGB. It is colorspace like others, but uses 4 channels instead 3.

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-21 Thread gespert...@gmail.com
2011/3/21 Jacek Poplawski jacekpoplaw...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:30 PM, gespert...@gmail.com gespert...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the people ask for CMYK because: I need CMYK support for photo retouch, to create better colors. CMYK is no different than LAB, HSV or RGB. Well,

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/22/11, Jacek Poplawski wrote: I need CMYK support for photo retouch, to create better colors. CMYK is no different than LAB, HSV or RGB. It is colorspace like others, but uses 4 channels instead 3. Right, all colorspaces are equal, but some are more equal than others :-) The willingness

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-21 Thread Jacek Poplawski
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:12 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/22/11, Jacek Poplawski wrote: I need CMYK support for photo retouch, to create better colors. CMYK is no different than LAB, HSV or RGB. It is colorspace like others, but uses 4 channels instead

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-21 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 3/22/11, Jacek Poplawski wrote: I need CMYK support for photo retouch, to create better colors. CMYK is no different than LAB, HSV or RGB. It is colorspace like others, but uses 4 channels instead 3. Right, all colorspaces are equal, but some are more equal than others :-) The

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-21 Thread Jacek Poplawski
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/22/11, Jacek Poplawski wrote: I need CMYK support for photo retouch, to create better colors. CMYK is no different than LAB, HSV or RGB. It is colorspace like others, but uses 4 channels instead

Re: [Gimp-developer] CMYK file export plug-in

2011-03-12 Thread Joao S. O. Bueno
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Yoshinori Yamakawa y...@yellowmagic.info wrote: Hi, According to the GIMP Roadmap, it seems to take time very much for the CMYK support to be added to the GIMP. Now we can use the separate+ plug-in, but I think that the separate+ plug-in is not proper for