Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here's what a log window would look like: A log window would have a button that says "Clear" to clear the log and one that says "Close" to close the window, and maybe something that says what file to tee. Nothing should shutdown the GUI unless clearly marked and accompanied by a clear confirma

Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread Alif Wahid
Hi Tor, > The consensus so far seem to be that GLib should not open any > console windows by itself. OK, fine with me, such a change could > be done even in the stable branch (2.4.x) IMHO. But I certainly > hope that it doesn't mean that people then will start whining > that they want "log windows

Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread Jernej Simončič
On Monday, September 13, 2004, 23:26:52, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > The consensus so far seem to be that GLib should not open any > console windows by itself. OK, fine with me, such a change could > be done even in the stable branch (2.4.x) IMHO. But I certainly > hope that it doesn't mean that people

Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread Tor Lillqvist
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The messages would ideally be able to be shown in a real window > (not the console) And what's so unreal about a console window? Is is just that they are black and white and make (some) people think of MS-DOS? (Some call console windows "DOS boxes" and seem to think "

Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread Carol Spears
On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 05:39:00PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > Pedro Gimeno Fortea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 09/13/04 11:04:06, Sven Neumann wrote: > > > > > The messages aren't meant for user's eyes, I think I mentioned > > > that. The messages don't make any sense for the u

Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
] ]> Doesn't it make sense to prefix Glib errors ]with something like: "Glib ] ]> Error:" or "System Error:" or "Gimp Error:" ](localizing just that ]> string) and let the rest appear as-is within ] the error console? ] ]No. The user is not supposed to see them, never. Actually no such ]mess

Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread Tor Lillqvist
William Skaggs writes: > What about a user who wants to file a bug report? Surely > they are relevant in that case? They can then start the GUI app with explicit redirection of stdout and stderr to a file. --tml ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMA

Re: [Gimp-developer] fonts

2004-09-13 Thread William Skaggs
Sven, Tor, Michael, Nathan, thanks for all the information. I've tried to synthesize it into something both correct and helpful. The result should show up at http://docs.gimp.org/en/ within a couple of days, in section 2.4.11: maybe you can look it over to see if there's anything I've screwed up

Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread William Skaggs
> No. The user is not supposed to see them, never. Actually no such > messages should ever be emitted. If it does, there's a programming > error. It would not help to show these messages to the user. What about a user who wants to file a bug report? Surely they are relevant in that case? Best,

Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Pedro Gimeno Fortea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 09/13/04 11:04:06, Sven Neumann wrote: > > > The messages aren't meant for user's eyes, I think I mentioned > > that. The messages don't make any sense for the user and should only > > ever seen by developers or when we ask users to start

Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread Pedro Gimeno Fortea
On 09/13/04 11:04:06, Sven Neumann wrote: The messages aren't meant for user's eyes, I think I mentioned that. The messages don't make any sense for the user and should only ever seen by developers or when we ask users to start gimp from a console window and to tell us if there are messages to be s

Re: [Gimp-developer] Two questions

2004-09-13 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It definitely works if I set LANG, LC_MESSAGES or LC_ALL. The LANGUAGE > environment variable is a special GNU extension of gettext(). GIMP > looks at the locale only and I did not yet consider to add support for > this GNU extension. Oh well, perhap

[Gimp-developer] Re: New Image dialog usability bug

2004-09-13 Thread Danni Coy
Why not have the entries for size have drop down menus allowing the user to select the last 8 or so amounts entered. Danni -- Artificial intelligence has the same relation to intelligence as artificial flowers have to flowers. -- David Parnas ___

Re: [Gimp-developer] Two questions

2004-09-13 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Cai Qian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Works for me in the 2.1 version. Doesn't it work for you? Not at > all. It is still asking for > /usr/local/share/gimp/2.1/help/en/gimp-help.xml, I use GIMP 2.1.4 > and locale below, also test with `LANGUAGE=fr_FR gimp-2.1`, and > seems asking for En

Re: [Gimp-developer] Two questions

2004-09-13 Thread Cai Qian
> Works for me in the 2.1 version. Doesn't it work for you? Not at all. It is still asking for /usr/local/share/gimp/2.1/help/en/gimp-help.xml, I use GIMP 2.1.4 and locale below, also test with `LANGUAGE=fr_FR gimp-2.1`, and seems asking for En docs too. Is there I miss something? LANGUAGE=zh_CN

Re: [Gimp-developer] Two questions

2004-09-13 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Cai Qian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have 2 questions, > > 1. When will the 2.2 be released? I hope to complete translation > when 2.2 be available. We are targetting a 2.2 pre-release in a few weeks and 2.2 final by the end of next month. Translators will be informed (on the gnome-i18n

Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread Alif Wahid
Hi Tor, > Could we have a raise-of-hands here? Who thinks GLib shouldn't bother > doing that console window allocation stuff at all? I support this idea, that GLIB shouldn't bother opening a console window at all. Cheers. Alif. -- "Heaven is the peaceful place on earth...New Zealand." --

Re: [Gimp-developer] Console window on Win32

2004-09-13 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, Pedro Gimeno Fortea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Regardless on what's done in the glib side, why not using > g_set_print_handler and g_log_set_handler, as Alif Wahid suggests, to > redirect the messages to the Error Console? I, for one, as a user of > the Win32 version expected to find