Re: [Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
On Thursday 20 November 2008, David Gowers wrote:
Oops, I see you originally suggested modifier-clicking to create a new
layer. Sorry, I do not agree with that proposition, it seems too fiddly to
me -- esp. because there is no reliably free modifier key. (Alt is only
unused by paint, transform (and color?) tools; All selection tools use
Alt.)
The same holds for no modifier key at the moment (mouse without any keys is
used already... in certain ways), I don't know if that's intentional
behaviour though.
A little demo:
1) Copypaste a selection to create a floating selection ('F').
2a) Single-click outside the float F to anchor it.
- undo to go back one step -
2b) Drag outside the float: A new selection ('S') will be created to define
where the floating layer F shall be applicable.
Now, my proposal to handle the Alt key from this situation on:
3a) Alt+click creates a new real layer (single-click is equivalent to 2a).
3b) Alt+drag performs the selection tool's Alt behvaiour, as is currently
indicated in the status bar: Click-Drag to move the selection mask
(click-drag is equivalent to 2b).
Other key events (like scroll buttons, as you suggested) could be bound to
that as well, of course.
I am aware this would mean further overloading of tools, so more I welcome
more comments and discussion.
Daniel
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
On Thursday 20 November 2008, David Gowers wrote: This is usually effectively the same as pasting (ctrl+V for most people, Insert for me). Is creating a floating selection that does not match the clipboard contents a common use case, or do we just need to document this behaviour better? Sorry, I think there's a misunderstanding here: I proposed a mouse-driven way to create a new layer from an existing floating selection. (And not to paste the current (floating) selection into the respective layer.) And yes, that Ctrl-V anchors a copy of the current floating selection was new to me and probably should be better documented. Plus the Edit menu entry still says Paste Ctrl+V while Paste Into (which does the same) does not have a shortcut listed. Btw, http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-selection-float.html still seems to be from 2.4 times (or older), I'll crosspost this fact to the gimp-docs mailing list as well. Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
Hi, On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Daniel Hornung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 20 November 2008, David Gowers wrote: This is usually effectively the same as pasting (ctrl+V for most people, Insert for me). Is creating a floating selection that does not match the clipboard contents a common use case, or do we just need to document this behaviour better? Sorry, I think there's a misunderstanding here: I proposed a mouse-driven way to create a new layer from an existing floating selection. (And not to paste the current (floating) selection into the Okay then, 'New layer' button does this (unless you also want to keep the floating layer around -- that can be done too with a bit of scripting). There is also a 'new layer' action available that you can bind a key to, that does the same thing. Kind of hinted at here: http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-using-layers.html being more explicit is better though. (the above page may also be out of date -- GIMP now preserves the exact shape of the clipboard rather than autocropping to hold the content in a minimal rectangle) respective layer.) And yes, that Ctrl-V anchors a copy of the current floating selection was new to me and probably should be better documented. Plus the Edit menu entry To be exact, it anchors any current floating selection before creating a new floating selection. still says Paste Ctrl+V while Paste Into (which does the same) does not have a shortcut listed. Paste Into is markedly different from Paste. Try this: 1. Open an image. 2. Edit-Copy 3. Make a circular selection 4. Edit-Paste Into Essentially, 'Paste into' uses the selection mask to mask out parts of the selection, whereas 'Paste' clears the selection beforehand. http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-edit-paste-into.html With 'Paste into' it's possible to quickly paste one or more things into a limited area. (I personally favor layer masking for this; however for speed of use, Paste Into is superior.) Btw, http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-selection-float.html still seems to be from 2.4 times (or older), I'll crosspost this fact to the gimp-docs mailing list as well. Older for sure :) Just plain confusing. I think a crossreference to http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-using-selections.html#gimp-using-selections-moving is also a good thing to include in the floating-selections page. (I'm pretty sure we are trying to get rid of floating selections, but I suspect we will only be free to find an adequate alternative when the projection system is completely GEGLized. David ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:35 AM, David Gowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Daniel Hornung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 20 November 2008, David Gowers wrote: This is usually effectively the same as pasting (ctrl+V for most people, Insert for me). Is creating a floating selection that does not match the clipboard contents a common use case, or do we just need to document this behaviour better? Sorry, I think there's a misunderstanding here: I proposed a mouse-driven way to create a new layer from an existing floating selection. (And not to paste the current (floating) selection into the Okay then, 'New layer' button does this (unless you also want to keep the floating layer around -- that can be done too with a bit of scripting). There is also a 'new layer' action available that you can bind a key to, that does the same thing. Oops, I see you originally suggested modifier-clicking to create a new layer. Sorry, I do not agree with that proposition, it seems too fiddly to me -- esp. because there is no reliably free modifier key. (Alt is only unused by paint, transform (and color?) tools; All selection tools use Alt.) Now if we could bind actions to mouse gestures, this kind of thing would come up less often I think. However, are you aware you could bind Alt+scrollwheel-up to new-layer to achieve a very similar result? This works properly with all tools, too, since it is genuinely non-conflicting. David ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
Hi, in case it's not too late (meaning a brand-new floating selection replacement is to be implemented soon), I have a small proposal to make the current behaviour a bit more user-friendly: While working on a floating selection, clicking outside the floating selection with a modifier key pressed (Alt seems to be free for that at the moment), a new layer should be created in the same way as pressing the new layer button in the layers dialog. Current status: When the mouse is outside the floating selection, a single click will anchor the floating selection to its current parent layer. This behaviour is also announced in the status bar. Rationale: Creating a new layer from a floating selection is needed about as often as anchoring it (if not more often). Thus a handy way to do this without moving the mouse across the desktop should be provided. There seems to be a default shortcut for this already (Ctrl+Shit+N), but esp. for tablet users a single click would be faster. Alt+click doesn't seem to be used for anything special at the moment yet. What do you think? Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
Hi, On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Daniel Hornung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, in case it's not too late (meaning a brand-new floating selection replacement is to be implemented soon), I have a small proposal to make the current behaviour a bit more user-friendly: While working on a floating selection, clicking outside the floating selection with a modifier key pressed (Alt seems to be free for that at the moment), a new layer should be created in the same way as pressing the new layer button in the layers dialog. Current status: When the mouse is outside the floating selection, a single click will anchor the floating selection to its current parent layer. This behaviour is also announced in the status bar. Rationale: Creating a new layer from a floating selection is needed about as often as anchoring it (if not more often). Thus a handy way to do this without moving the mouse across the desktop should be provided. There seems to be a default shortcut for this already (Ctrl+Shit+N), but esp. for tablet users a single click would be faster. Alt+click doesn't seem to be used for anything special at the moment yet. What do you think? This is usually effectively the same as pasting (ctrl+V for most people, Insert for me). Is creating a floating selection that does not match the clipboard contents a common use case, or do we just need to document this behaviour better? David ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
