Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On 06/04/2016 02:21 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Supposing the option was renamed to be more explicit about what it does, would it still bother you? Making color management "disappear" for users who prefer to not ever think about color management (very different from "disable color

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On 06/04/2016 12:12 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Probably 90% of commits are done by a single person who is already overworked. What re-evaluation are you talking about? Is this discussion for real? You mean Mitch. Mitch is the heart and soul of GIMP. Without Mitch, where would GIMP be?

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On 06/04/2016 05:37 PM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Elle Stone wrote: If GIMP is being developed for high end workflows as specified in the Vision statement, then it's important to get input from people who actually use high end

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Elle Stone wrote: > If GIMP is being developed for high end workflows as specified in the Vision > statement, then it's important to get input from people who actually use > high end workflows. Gez is exactly such a person. I think

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On Sat, 4 Jun 2016, Elle Stone wrote: On 06/04/2016 05:28 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: To be honest... We get a lot of feedback like "Where can I disable color management, it's too complicated, I don't want this, why should I want this, Paintool Sai doesn't have it, it makes my images weird in

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On 06/04/2016 05:36 PM, Elle Stone wrote: Tell them to choose sRGB as the monitor profile and the image profile. Problem solved. Oh, and set their monitor to sRGB emulation mode, if it's available. Elle ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On Sat, 4 Jun 2016, Elle Stone wrote: Keep in mind that many "don't know/don't want to know" users do manage to use high end software like PhotoShop, Krita, and Blender without the software being hampered by training wheels, belts and suspenders. To be honest... We get a lot of feedback like

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On 06/04/2016 12:12 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: What re-evaluation are you talking about? Is this discussion for real? I think there does need to be a real and on-going discussion. If GIMP is being developed for high end workflows as specified in the Vision statement, then it's

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

Gez wrote: > ...GIMP doesn't provide the tools for editing such maps... Maybe I'm simply not understanding. Typically these kinds of maps get edited with color curves, layer blending modes (straight-forward mathematical ones like multiply, add, and subtract are most

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

Elle Stone wrote: > On 05/20/2016 02:37 PM, Jason van Gumster wrote: > > > > Elle Stone wrote: > > > >> I can't think of a single use case for trying to edit a non-color-manged > >> image in an ICC profile color-managed editing

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On 06/04/2016 02:21 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Elle Stone wrote: On 06/04/2016 01:50 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Including softproofing? Of course not. Given the tensions, we are not in a situation where "of course I meant something entirely

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Elle Stone wrote: >> If you have a clear vision, how color management should work in GIMP, >> please share it. > > > 1. Get rid of the babl flip code and attendant linear vs "gamma" precision > code. Rip it completely out of babl, GEGL, and GIMP. I wrote a patch

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Elle Stone wrote: > On 06/04/2016 01:50 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: >> >> Including softproofing? > > > Of course not. Given the tensions, we are not in a situation where "of course I meant something entirely different" is a sensible approach to a conversation.

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On 06/04/2016 01:50 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Gez hasn't posted any false information. He has. What false information? Can you be specific? I don't see any false information. Elle ___ gimp-developer-list mailing list List address:

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On 06/04/2016 01:50 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Including softproofing? Of course not. Gez wasn't talking about the new soft proofing options, and neither am I. Gez was talking about the same options that have always been the subject of this particular thread, which is to say: 1.

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Elle Stone wrote: >> And you are asking me what knowingly false information you posted? How >> about this bit above? > > > Gez hasn't posted any false information. He has. > His choice of comparing attention > to themes with attention to the big picture regarding

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On 06/04/2016 12:12 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Gez wrote: El sáb, 04-06-2016 a las 18:26 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió: Why is it the goal of GIMP 2.10 to produce a GEGL-based version with feature parity with the current

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On 06/04/2016 11:53 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Gez wrote: That's what Elle has been fighting against for a long time, and that's still the problem. Fighting? Against? This is a community project. We don't fight here, we make stuff happen. Althought it

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Gez wrote: > El sáb, 04-06-2016 a las 18:26 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió: >> >> Personally, I'm fine with a rant that has helpful bits of information >> in it that could be extracted. All I can extract from your rant is >> that you are

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

El sáb, 04-06-2016 a las 18:26 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió: >  > Personally, I'm fine with a rant that has helpful bits of information > in it that could be extracted. All I can extract from your rant is > that you are annoyed so much that you post knowingly false > information. What

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Gez wrote: > Do you think that my e-mail didn't provide any useful insights? It had zero technical information, only a rant. Why don't _you_ re-read it? >> People who work on themes and icons are not the same people who work >> on e.g. color management. C'mon,

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

El vie, 20-05-2016 a las 14:37 -0400, Jason van Gumster escribió: > Elle Stone wrote: > > > I can't think of a single use case for trying to edit a non-color- > > manged  > > image in an ICC profile color-managed editing application such as > > GIMP. > > I think

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Gez wrote: > Of course not, but take a quick look at the GIMP mailing lists archives > and see how much attention got that minor subject and how much > attention other important subjects receive. > > That speaks volumes about the priorities of the project. That

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

El sáb, 04-06-2016 a las 14:22 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:25 AM, Gez wrote: > > > I'm one of the few guys around using GIMP professionally in the > > field > > of graphic design, and with each decision like this one, pointing > > to > > the wrong audience

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

El sáb, 04-06-2016 a las 11:04 +0200, Simon Budig escribió: > I don't understand your line of reasoning. Did you realize, that > Mitch > has literally spent months to make color management actually work in > Gimp - i.e. cut'n'paste between images with different color profiles > attached, color

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

El sáb, 04-06-2016 a las 10:07 +0200, Michael Schumacher escribió: > > On 06/04/2016 04:25 AM, Gez wrote: > > > The most pressing issues (like performance and quality) are > > constantly > > postponed. But hey, we have a new dark theme and new icons. > > We have these because there are people

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:25 AM, Gez wrote: > I'm one of the few guys around using GIMP professionally in the field > of graphic design, and with each decision like this one, pointing to > the wrong audience (not the audience defined in the "product vision") > I'm becoming less and less convinced

Re: [Gimp-developer] Delay with 'Lock brush size to zoom' feature enabled - 2.9.3 GIMP Git Master

On 06/03/2016 08:55 PM, Americo Gobbo wrote: > I am testing the feature 'Lock brush size to zoom' and I have noted when is > enabled is causing delays in the stroking processing... it is normal? Stroking as in stroking a path or selection, or painting? -- Regards, Michael GPG: 96A8 B38A

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

Hi Gez. Gez (lis...@ohweb.com.ar) wrote: > Although I share your shock, I think Michael is right. Almost nobody > using GIMP understands color management, because there is virtually > nobody using GIMP seriously, and probably nobody will because of this > kind of design decisions. [...] > Instead

Re: [Gimp-developer] New Image/Color Management option

On 06/04/2016 04:25 AM, Gez wrote: > The most pressing issues (like performance and quality) are constantly > postponed. But hey, we have a new dark theme and new icons. We have these because there are people interested in them and contributing to GIMP. I'm not going to tell them to stop