Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
Hi, While reading all the thread, I was thinking that some applications having two valid semantic for the same action use a dialog box on first use of that action. - Always use a particular valid semantic and stop asking - Use a particular semantic and continue to ask It can be a good idea to add a third option to a dialog box to configure some shortcuts or modifier for each semantic I don't know if it fits to the GIMP usability guideline, - Luid ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 21:06 -0500, Brendan wrote: [...] > It's very unintuitive. > I mean, how often do you want to drop a layer into an image vs. dropping a > bunch of images to be opened? More often I do want layers in that case. > And also, when the New Image window is the only one visible (when the other > windows are hidden, etc.)...how would I open two images by dragging and > dropping? > drop onto the wilbur graphic in the toolbox. Or onto the new image window when there is no image. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
On Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 21:07:19, Brendan wrote: > I think it's still confusing. Dropping images onto an image window should open > images...If dragging onto the layers dialog, it should add them as layers. I fully expect that dropping images to an image window would add them as layers... > It's simple, and honestly, nobody outside of this list really knows or cares > who "Wilbur" is or the fact that they have to drag onto eyes. ...while not caring about toolbox Wilber, and still thinking that it looks like "Hey, we forgot to put something here", but I know better than trying to argue with the UI team. -- < Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://eternallybored.org/ > No amount of genius can overcome a preoccupation with detail. -- Levy's Eighth Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Guillermo Espertino wrote: > I agree that it's quite confusing to have two different behaviors for > something that looks almost the same. > But I think it is good to have the other functionality available too, so > I guess it is worth to add a modificator key, as Peter suggested. > > Something like this, for instance: > - Drop multiple images on Wilber (both in image window or toolbox): > opens each image as separate documents- > - Drop multiple images pressing alt: opens them as layers in the same > document. > > The question is how to proceed when there is an image already opened in > the image window. I guess it should open images as layers in that case > (without pressing alt), and work in the same way that it does now, since > there wouldn't be a wilber in the image window. > > What do you think? I think it's still confusing. Dropping images onto an image window should open images...If dragging onto the layers dialog, it should add them as layers. It's simple, and honestly, nobody outside of this list really knows or cares who "Wilbur" is or the fact that they have to drag onto eyes. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, g mohler wrote: > i end up doing both. > maybe a keystroke for layer, > or new image? > with a preference for the default action... > dropping on the layer dialog is good > idea as well. Every person I have asked about it in the office has agreed that they would expect dropping on the image window to open both images. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
Hi, On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 21:06 -0500, Brendan wrote: > It's very unintuitive. > I mean, how often do you want to drop a layer into an image vs. dropping a > bunch of images to be opened? I do zero of the former and thousands of the > latter. Calm down, please, will you? I am counting five mails from you now about this topic. The issue was already settled after the first post. Hitting the nail again and again doesn't make it more fun to actually sit down and write a patch that implements this change. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
I agree that it's quite confusing to have two different behaviors for something that looks almost the same. But I think it is good to have the other functionality available too, so I guess it is worth to add a modificator key, as Peter suggested. Something like this, for instance: - Drop multiple images on Wilber (both in image window or toolbox): opens each image as separate documents- - Drop multiple images pressing alt: opens them as layers in the same document. The question is how to proceed when there is an image already opened in the image window. I guess it should open images as layers in that case (without pressing alt), and work in the same way that it does now, since there wouldn't be a wilber in the image window. What do you think? ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
i end up doing both. maybe a keystroke for layer, or new image? with a preference for the default action... dropping on the layer dialog is good idea as well. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Brendan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 04 November 2008, peter sikking wrote: > > Sven Neumann wrote: > > > On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 23:35 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote: > > >> Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as > > >> dropping on > > >> an already open image). > > >> > > >> To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead. > > > > > > I am not so sure if this was good decision to make. I don't quite > > > remember if Peter suggested that we do it this way. Peter, are you > > > listening...? > > > > yes I am and this is an area that was not fully chewed for 2.6. > > > > to keep the "see Wilber, drop files" mantra going strong, > > the best thing is to enforce one rule: > > > > "Dropping files on Wilber (==the GIMP app) will open these files > > in GIMP, as separate images" > > > > Wilber is in the toolbox and the no-image-window. > > > > Combine that with the rule: > > > > "drop files on an image window and you get those files within > > that image as layers" > > How about "If I want this specific action (Adding Layers), I'll drop files > on > the Layer dialog" > > ___ > Gimp-developer mailing list > Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer > ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, peter sikking wrote: > Sven Neumann wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 23:35 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote: > >> Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as > >> dropping on > >> an already open image). > >> > >> To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead. > > > > I am not so sure if this was good decision to make. I don't quite > > remember if Peter suggested that we do it this way. Peter, are you > > listening...? > > yes I am and this is an area that was not fully chewed for 2.6. > > to keep the "see Wilber, drop files" mantra going strong, > the best thing is to enforce one rule: > > "Dropping files on Wilber (==the GIMP app) will open these files > in GIMP, as separate images" > > Wilber is in the toolbox and the no-image-window. > > Combine that with the rule: > > "drop files on an image window and you get those files within > that image as layers" How about "If I want this specific action (Adding Layers), I'll drop files on the Layer dialog" ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
On Monday 03 November 2008, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Brendan wrote: > > When dropping two images from GQView to the Gimp "Empty Image Window"...I > > get two layers in one image...Huh? Is this on purpose? Wouldn't it be > > more rational to open two images, and not combine them into an image with > > two layers? > > Oh, it wouldn't. Both use cases (opening as separate images and > merging into one) are perfectly valid. Valid vs. prudent is the question. Do more people use it to combine layers or open a bunch of images? When the New Image window is the only one around (for the Utility window - reason given), how does one easily open two images? I have used the Gimp for a long time, and never have I thought "Hey, I want a layer from another image, let me drag it onto the window...". If I wanted to do that, perhaps dragging to the Layer box/window would be a more obvious choice? Dragging two images to the "Image Window" should treat them like two separate "Images". Just seems logical. I asked a bunch of people in my graphics dept, and they agreed. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
On Monday 03 November 2008, Alec Burgess wrote: > Alexandre Prokoudine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote (in part) > > (on 2008-11-03 at 17:39): > > > Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as > > > > dropping on > > > > > > an already open image). > > > > > > > > To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead. > > > > Doh! This should go to user manual for 2.6+ :-) Thanks for telling! > > As a Windows user had never heard of Gqview (though I see there is a > Windows port available) > > Original post appears to be equivalent to dragging multiple files from > Windows Explorer. If attempting this it is (IMO) important to set > Preferences-Window Management-Hint for toolbox to [Normal window]. If > its' hint is set to [Utility window] then nothing appears on the taskbar > and the Toolbox is likely to be hidden making it AFAICT impossible to > drag multiple files and have them open as separate images. Yes, that is what I was hinting at. Thank you. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
On Monday 03 November 2008, Martin Nordholts wrote: > Brendan wrote: > > When dropping two images from GQView to the Gimp "Empty Image Window"...I > > get two layers in one image...Huh? Is this on purpose? Wouldn't it be > > more rational to open two images, and not combine them into an image with > > two layers? Maybe I'm missing something, or this was unintended... > > Hi! > > Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as dropping on > an already open image). > > To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead. Yes, I guess I was asking a leading question, like..."Why?" ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
On Monday 03 November 2008, Sven Neumann wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 23:35 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote: > > Brendan wrote: > > > When dropping two images from GQView to the Gimp "Empty Image > > > Window"...I get two layers in one image...Huh? Is this on purpose? > > > Wouldn't it be more rational to open two images, and not combine them > > > into an image with two layers? Maybe I'm missing something, or this was > > > unintended... > > > > Hi! > > > > Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as dropping on > > an already open image). > > > > To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead. > > I am not so sure if this was good decision to make. I don't quite > remember if Peter suggested that we do it this way. Peter, are you > listening...? It's very unintuitive. I mean, how often do you want to drop a layer into an image vs. dropping a bunch of images to be opened? I do zero of the former and thousands of the latter. And also, when the New Image window is the only one visible (when the other windows are hidden, etc.)...how would I open two images by dragging and dropping? ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
Sven Neumann wrote: > On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 23:35 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote: >> Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as >> dropping on >> an already open image). >> >> To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead. > > I am not so sure if this was good decision to make. I don't quite > remember if Peter suggested that we do it this way. Peter, are you > listening...? yes I am and this is an area that was not fully chewed for 2.6. to keep the "see Wilber, drop files" mantra going strong, the best thing is to enforce one rule: "Dropping files on Wilber (==the GIMP app) will open these files in GIMP, as separate images" Wilber is in the toolbox and the no-image-window. Combine that with the rule: "drop files on an image window and you get those files within that image as layers" and we got two simple primary 'what you do is what you get' rules. If there is a need for more power (a big if, actually) then we need to investigate a modifier key for dropping on Wilber. --ps founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
Hi, On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 23:35 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote: > Brendan wrote: > > When dropping two images from GQView to the Gimp "Empty Image Window"...I > > get > > two layers in one image...Huh? Is this on purpose? Wouldn't it be more > > rational to open two images, and not combine them into an image with two > > layers? Maybe I'm missing something, or this was unintended... > > > > Hi! > > Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as dropping on > an already open image). > > To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead. I am not so sure if this was good decision to make. I don't quite remember if Peter suggested that we do it this way. Peter, are you listening...? Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
Alexandre Prokoudine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote (in part) (on 2008-11-03 at 17:39): > Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as dropping on > > an already open image). > > > > To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead. Doh! This should go to user manual for 2.6+ :-) Thanks for telling! As a Windows user had never heard of Gqview (though I see there is a Windows port available) Original post appears to be equivalent to dragging multiple files from Windows Explorer. If attempting this it is (IMO) important to set Preferences-Window Management-Hint for toolbox to [Normal window]. If its' hint is set to [Utility window] then nothing appears on the taskbar and the Toolbox is likely to be hidden making it AFAICT impossible to drag multiple files and have them open as separate images. -- Regards ... Alec ([EMAIL PROTECTED] & WinLiveMess - [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Martin Nordholts wrote: > Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as dropping on > an already open image). > > To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead. Doh! This should go to user manual for 2.6+ :-) Thanks for telling! Alexandre ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
Brendan wrote: > When dropping two images from GQView to the Gimp "Empty Image Window"...I get > two layers in one image...Huh? Is this on purpose? Wouldn't it be more > rational to open two images, and not combine them into an image with two > layers? Maybe I'm missing something, or this was unintended... > Hi! Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as dropping on an already open image). To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead. BR, Martin ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Brendan wrote: > When dropping two images from GQView to the Gimp "Empty Image Window"...I get > two layers in one image...Huh? Is this on purpose? Wouldn't it be more > rational to open two images, and not combine them into an image with two > layers? Oh, it wouldn't. Both use cases (opening as separate images and merging into one) are perfectly valid. In Qtpfsgui a similar case is solved by asking a user what he intends to do with several images that are dropped into the window - open each one separately or merge into one HDR image. Alexandre ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Dropping two images from Gqview --> Gimp
When dropping two images from GQView to the Gimp "Empty Image Window"...I get two layers in one image...Huh? Is this on purpose? Wouldn't it be more rational to open two images, and not combine them into an image with two layers? Maybe I'm missing something, or this was unintended... ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
