Re: [Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
On Thursday 20 November 2008, David Gowers wrote:
> Oops, I see you originally suggested modifier-clicking to create a new
> layer. Sorry, I do not agree with that proposition, it seems too fiddly to
> me -- esp. because there is no reliably free modifier key. (Alt is only
> unused by paint, transform (and color?) tools; All selection tools use
> Alt.)
The same holds for no modifier key at the moment (mouse without any keys is
used already... in certain ways), I don't know if that's intentional
behaviour though.
A little demo:
1) Copy&paste a selection to create a floating selection ('F').
2a) Single-click outside the float F to anchor it.
- undo to go back one step -
2b) Drag outside the float: A new selection ('S') will be created to define
where the floating layer F shall be applicable.
Now, my proposal to handle the Alt key from this situation on:
3a) Alt+click creates a new "real" layer (single-click is equivalent to 2a).
3b) Alt+drag performs the selection tool's "Alt" behvaiour, as is currently
indicated in the status bar: "Click-Drag to move the selection mask"
(click-drag is equivalent to 2b).
Other key events (like scroll buttons, as you suggested) could be bound to
that as well, of course.
I am aware this would mean further overloading of tools, so more I welcome
more comments and discussion.
Daniel
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:35 AM, David Gowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Daniel Hornung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thursday 20 November 2008, David Gowers wrote: >>> >>> This is usually effectively the same as pasting (ctrl+V for most >>> people, Insert for me). Is creating a floating selection that does not >>> match the clipboard contents a common use case, or do we just need to >>> document this behaviour better? >> >> Sorry, I think there's a misunderstanding here: >> >> I proposed a mouse-driven way to create a new layer from an existing floating >> selection. (And not to paste the current (floating) selection into the > Okay then, 'New layer' button does this (unless you also want to keep > the floating layer around -- that can be done too with a bit of > scripting). There is also a 'new layer' action available that you can > bind a key to, that does the same thing. Oops, I see you originally suggested modifier-clicking to create a new layer. Sorry, I do not agree with that proposition, it seems too fiddly to me -- esp. because there is no reliably free modifier key. (Alt is only unused by paint, transform (and color?) tools; All selection tools use Alt.) Now if we could bind actions to mouse gestures, this kind of thing would come up less often I think. However, are you aware you could bind Alt+scrollwheel-up to new-layer to achieve a very similar result? This works properly with all tools, too, since it is genuinely non-conflicting. David ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
Hi, On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Daniel Hornung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 20 November 2008, David Gowers wrote: >> >> This is usually effectively the same as pasting (ctrl+V for most >> people, Insert for me). Is creating a floating selection that does not >> match the clipboard contents a common use case, or do we just need to >> document this behaviour better? > > Sorry, I think there's a misunderstanding here: > > I proposed a mouse-driven way to create a new layer from an existing floating > selection. (And not to paste the current (floating) selection into the Okay then, 'New layer' button does this (unless you also want to keep the floating layer around -- that can be done too with a bit of scripting). There is also a 'new layer' action available that you can bind a key to, that does the same thing. Kind of hinted at here: http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-using-layers.html being more explicit is better though. (the above page may also be out of date -- GIMP now preserves the exact shape of the clipboard rather than autocropping to hold the content in a minimal rectangle) > respective layer.) > > > And yes, that Ctrl-V anchors a copy of the current floating selection was new > to me and probably should be better documented. Plus the "Edit" menu entry To be exact, it anchors any current floating selection before creating a new floating selection. > still says "Paste Ctrl+V" while "Paste Into" (which does the same) does not > have a shortcut listed. Paste Into is markedly different from Paste. Try this: 1. Open an image. 2. Edit->Copy 3. Make a circular selection 4. Edit->Paste Into Essentially, 'Paste into' uses the selection mask to mask out parts of the selection, whereas 'Paste' clears the selection beforehand. http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-edit-paste-into.html With 'Paste into' it's possible to quickly paste one or more things into a limited area. (I personally favor layer masking for this; however for speed of use, Paste Into is superior.) > > Btw, http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-selection-float.html still seems to be from > 2.4 times (or older), I'll crosspost this fact to the gimp-docs mailing list > as well. Older for sure :) Just plain confusing. I think a crossreference to http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-using-selections.html#gimp-using-selections-moving is also a good thing to include in the floating-selections page. (I'm pretty sure we are trying to get rid of floating selections, but I suspect we will only be free to find an adequate alternative when the projection system is completely GEGLized. David ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
On Thursday 20 November 2008, David Gowers wrote: > > This is usually effectively the same as pasting (ctrl+V for most > people, Insert for me). Is creating a floating selection that does not > match the clipboard contents a common use case, or do we just need to > document this behaviour better? Sorry, I think there's a misunderstanding here: I proposed a mouse-driven way to create a new layer from an existing floating selection. (And not to paste the current (floating) selection into the respective layer.) And yes, that Ctrl-V anchors a copy of the current floating selection was new to me and probably should be better documented. Plus the "Edit" menu entry still says "Paste Ctrl+V" while "Paste Into" (which does the same) does not have a shortcut listed. Btw, http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-selection-float.html still seems to be from 2.4 times (or older), I'll crosspost this fact to the gimp-docs mailing list as well. Daniel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:41 AM, Daniel Hornung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> in case it's not too late (meaning "a brand-new floating selection replacement
> is to be implemented soon"), I have a small proposal to make the current
> behaviour a bit more user-friendly:
>
> While working on a floating selection, clicking outside the floating selection
> with a modifier key pressed ("Alt" seems to be free for that at the moment), a
> new layer should be created in the same way as pressing the "new layer" button
> in the layers dialog.
>
> Current status:
> When the mouse is outside the floating selection, a single click will anchor
> the floating selection to its current "parent" layer. This behaviour is also
> announced in the status bar.
>
> Rationale:
> Creating a new layer from a floating selection is needed about as often as
> anchoring it (if not more often). Thus a handy way to do this without moving
> the mouse across the desktop should be provided. There seems to be a default
> shortcut for this already (Ctrl+Shit+N), but esp. for tablet users a single
> click would be faster. Alt+click doesn't seem to be used for anything special
> at the moment yet.
>
> What do you think?
This is usually effectively the same as pasting (ctrl+V for most
people, Insert for me). Is creating a floating selection that does not
match the clipboard contents a common use case, or do we just need to
document this behaviour better?
David
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[Gimp-developer] Modifier key to create new layer from floating selection
Hi,
in case it's not too late (meaning "a brand-new floating selection replacement
is to be implemented soon"), I have a small proposal to make the current
behaviour a bit more user-friendly:
While working on a floating selection, clicking outside the floating selection
with a modifier key pressed ("Alt" seems to be free for that at the moment), a
new layer should be created in the same way as pressing the "new layer" button
in the layers dialog.
Current status:
When the mouse is outside the floating selection, a single click will anchor
the floating selection to its current "parent" layer. This behaviour is also
announced in the status bar.
Rationale:
Creating a new layer from a floating selection is needed about as often as
anchoring it (if not more often). Thus a handy way to do this without moving
the mouse across the desktop should be provided. There seems to be a default
shortcut for this already (Ctrl+Shit+N), but esp. for tablet users a single
click would be faster. Alt+click doesn't seem to be used for anything special
at the moment yet.
What do you think?
Daniel
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