Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5
Hi, On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 10:36 -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 08:42 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > > > http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.5.html mentions quite explicitly > > that this is not going to work. /usr/local is not a separate > > installation prefix. > > I use a shell script wrapper to start GIMP that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH > and PATH, and it has always worked fine for me in /usr/local. Sure, I also do have gimp-2.5 installed in /usr/local and gimp-2.4 in /usr. Depending on how your system is set up, this may work, or not. But since it is way too difficult and confusing to explain all the details, the safe advice is to use a completely different prefix. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5
On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 08:42 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.5.html mentions quite explicitly > that this is not going to work. /usr/local is not a separate > installation prefix. I use a shell script wrapper to start GIMP that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH, and it has always worked fine for me in /usr/local. Except I did get in a mess with testing stuff once, when I forgot and ran stuff from gdb or something, and complained that the plugins werent' working :-) But you're right, it won't just work if you run /usr/local/bin/gimp directly and have /usr/bin/gimp installed too. I wonder if it would be worth having configure generate a warning at the end? /usr/local was the default prefix for me at least. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5
Hi, On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 14:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > /usr/local is a "separate" prefix from /usr and is separate from where > gimp-2.4 is installed. No, /usr/local is in the /usr prefix. Of course we could go to more length in the release notes, but we tried to keep it concise. As fas as I can see this has worked nicely over the last years. Most readers seem to understand what the release notes are trying to tell them and follow the example given there. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:42:18 +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 11:26 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I have installed distribution's 2.4 and cvs . I built cvs with >> --preifix=/usr/local but there is some conflict with 2.4 which refuses >> to >> run having detected the conflicting library versions. > > http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.5.html mentions quite explicitly > that this is not going to work. /usr/local is not a separate > installation prefix. > > > Sven > Well that's probably the cause of the confusion, it does not _explicitly_ say " a separate prefix not in the system PATH" which would appear to be the key criterium. Separate presumes separatation from something that is not specified. I took it to mean separate from gimp-2.4 installation since that was subject. /usr/local is a "separate" prefix from /usr and is separate from where gimp-2.4 is installed. The problem seems to result from this separate prefix being in PATH. README says this: >> If you want to keep your older GIMP 2.x installation in parallel to GIMP 2.5, you have to choose a separate prefix which is not in your default library search path. >> This is also somewhat confusing in that it seems to refer to LD_LIBRARY_PATH. That's all probably obvious once you know but then the instructions are not for those who know. Maybe they could be 'explicit'. Now I have just let autogen.sh do it's default /opt/gimp and it's fine. The UI improvements are starting make Gimp a lot easier to work with and to discover. Excellent progress on that. Thanks Sven, Mitch, Owen and all those who replied. -- .*. /V\ (/ \) ( ) ^^_^^ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5
On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 11:26 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I have installed distribution's 2.4 and cvs . I built cvs with > --preifix=/usr/local but there is some conflict with 2.4 which refuses to > run having detected the conflicting library versions. Here the beginning > of ldd for 2.4 /usr/local is *not* a separate prefix, you can't have libraries there that are binary compatible with stuff in /usr. Use a truly separate prefix like ~/foo or /opt/foo ciao, --mitch ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5
Hi, On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 11:26 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have installed distribution's 2.4 and cvs . I built cvs with > --preifix=/usr/local but there is some conflict with 2.4 which refuses to > run having detected the conflicting library versions. http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.5.html mentions quite explicitly that this is not going to work. /usr/local is not a separate installation prefix. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:12:42 +0200, Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have installed distribution's 2.4 and cvs . I built cvs with >> --preifix=/usr/local but there is some conflict with 2.4 which refuses >> to >> run having detected the conflicting library versions. Here the >> beginning >> of ldd for 2.4 > > > >> bash-3.2#echo $PATH >> > > I think all the paths are getting mixed up > > /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/kde/3.5/sbin:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin > ^^ before ^^^ > > >> bash-3.2#echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH >> /usr/qt/3/lib > > It is picking up /usr/local because that is what you path has first > (or before /usr/bin ) > > You are starting Gimp from a console? > > You need to set the PATH to see /usr/bin first and the same for > LD_LIBRARY_PATH.to see /usr/lib first > > export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH and > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib > > > and when you start 2.5, do so from another console with the paths set > to pick up the 2.5 libraries first. > > > You should actually keep away from /usr/local, the various bashrc and > profile files set up paths to include /usr and /usr/local and it can > get confusing. > > Just build in /opt in accordance with the instructions for paths. > Yes, it's the scripts that are prepending things , I'd have though /usr/local should come after but I'll need to dig to get the order corrected. I still don't understand what it's picking from /usr/local/lib since /usr/local/lib is not in path or ld_library_path and ldd shows it loading from /usr/local/lib first no /usr/local. I must have an incomplete idea of the loading mechanism. Your suggestion of /opt is probably the easiest solution. Thanks. (and Micheal too) regards. > > >> I adapted the way I set this up last time but something did not >> follow. >> >> bash-3.2#which gimp4 >> /usr/local/bin/gimp4 >> bash-3.2#cat `!!` >> cat `which gimp4` >> #!/bin/sh >> >> #PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH >> #export PATH >> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib >> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH >> >> /usr/local/bin/gimp-2.5 "$@" >> >> >> I don't see why 2.4 is pulling from /usr/local/lib > > > -- .*. /V\ (/ \) ( ) ^^_^^ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5
> Hi, > > I have installed distribution's 2.4 and cvs . I built cvs with > --preifix=/usr/local but there is some conflict with 2.4 which refuses > to > run having detected the conflicting library versions. Here the > beginning > of ldd for 2.4 > bash-3.2#echo $PATH > I think all the paths are getting mixed up /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/kde/3.5/sbin:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin ^^ before ^^^ > bash-3.2#echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH > /usr/qt/3/lib It is picking up /usr/local because that is what you path has first (or before /usr/bin ) You are starting Gimp from a console? You need to set the PATH to see /usr/bin first and the same for LD_LIBRARY_PATH.to see /usr/lib first export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH and export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib and when you start 2.5, do so from another console with the paths set to pick up the 2.5 libraries first. You should actually keep away from /usr/local, the various bashrc and profile files set up paths to include /usr and /usr/local and it can get confusing. Just build in /opt in accordance with the instructions for paths. > I adapted the way I set this up last time but something did not > follow. > > bash-3.2#which gimp4 > /usr/local/bin/gimp4 > bash-3.2#cat `!!` > cat `which gimp4` > #!/bin/sh > > #PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH > #export PATH > LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH > > /usr/local/bin/gimp-2.5 "$@" > > > I don't see why 2.4 is pulling from /usr/local/lib ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:26:38 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > I have installed distribution's 2.4 and cvs . I built cvs with > --preifix=/usr/local but there is some conflict with 2.4 which refuses to > run having detected the conflicting library versions. Here the beginning > of ldd for 2.4 Install it on a different path, eg. /opt ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5
Hi, I have installed distribution's 2.4 and cvs . I built cvs with --preifix=/usr/local but there is some conflict with 2.4 which refuses to run having detected the conflicting library versions. Here the beginning of ldd for 2.4 /usr/bin/gimp bash-3.2#ldd `!!` ldd `which gimp` linux-gate.so.1 => (0xe000) libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0 (0xb7e1a000) libgimpconfig-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgimpconfig-2.0.so.0 (0xb7e0b000) libgimpmodule-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgimpmodule-2.0.so.0 (0xb7e06000) libgimpcolor-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgimpcolor-2.0.so.0 (0xb7dfb000) libgimpthumb-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgimpthumb-2.0.so.0 (0xb7df2000) libgimpmath-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgimpmath-2.0.so.0 (0xb7deb000) libgimpbase-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgimpbase-2.0.so.0 (0xb7dd7000) libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb7a79000) libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb79f8000) libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0xb79e) libgthread-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 (0xb79d9000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb79c1000) bash-3.2#echo $PATH /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/kde/3.5/sbin:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin bash-3.2#echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/qt/3/lib I adapted the way I set this up last time but something did not follow. bash-3.2#which gimp4 /usr/local/bin/gimp4 bash-3.2#cat `!!` cat `which gimp4` #!/bin/sh #PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH #export PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib export LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/bin/gimp-2.5 "$@" I don't see why 2.4 is pulling from /usr/local/lib Any help? Thx ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
