[Gimp-developer] MNG plug-in
All of this by muks in #gimp, I'm merely relaying. - http://www.mukund.org/gimp/mng/ for anyone who wants to try it. There are viewable samples in samples/ a few points.. this is just a developer copy.. there are things missing: 1> NO support yet for indexed anything images, only RGB and RGBA work 2> there are inter-frame glitches (will be sorted out soon) 3> no JNG support yet 4> per-frame delays, etc. (set in layer names) aren't yet implemented 5> the code is not fit to be a gimp plug-in.. not i18'd, still have bugs to fix However, i would like many of you to test it as it is now. download mng.c, and Makefile into your user account install libmng, libpng, libjpeg (with their development counterpart packages) gmake; gmake install when you create images, create them as XCFs.. this is only useful as a final export plugin enjoy, and report bugs on the developer list.. i don't have a mail account yet, but i'll check the archives on monday muks - Enjoy, Marco ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] MNG support. Was: Intolerance, and development.
David, Instead of spending all this time writing your views of the world, I am sure that all on this list including you would actually think the time would be better spend actually implementing mng support for gimp. I suggest that you go about it in the following steps: 1. Extract the png plug-in file and rename in mng. 2. Change it so that it registers the .mng extension. 3. Make sure that it compiles and that it is may be used to read png files that have been renamed ".mng". 4. Get and compile the libmng library from http://www.libmng.com/ . 5. Get some mng example files. 6. Study the libmng example programs and try to implement the same scenario for getting the data into the mng plugin. At first, decide about some minimal subset of mng that you will support, e.g. one-layer that are not JNG. (This is essentially the same thing as png). 7. After succeeding in reading one-layer non-jng mng images, add support for multi-layer and mng. 8. Release and get the well deserved glory. 9. Add mng write support. 10. Release again and get more glory. 8-) Btw, is there tutorial available for image loader and writer plug-ins? Regards, Dov On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 08:50:51PM -0500, David Weeks wrote: > Jeez, > > Guys, perhaps it was wrong for me to do the French/American thing, but I was > drawing on historical examples. All the same, I'd not respect anyone who > didn't respect their own country. I LOVE America, as an American, and I have > MAJOR problems with much of America, just the same. > > Tolerance isn't the lack of criticism, and intolerance isn't the act of > criticism, and beyond that, some things are tolerable, and some things are > not. So let's drop the "troll" "intolerant" "ignorant" crap and deal with > information. These reactions are human nature, and responsible for the > strife in the world; just look at this list. > > Free discusion of ideas means it's all good, even the bad and the ugly, cause > that bad and ugly might be the fact that we're wrong, and someone was rude in > pointing it out. > > My problem of recent days started with a reply to a requested feature: mng > support. The response I got was that I had a lot of nerve asking someone > else to slave for me. I got that from the same who's never even HEARD of > regular expressions, and is now an active partner in the development of gimp? > Red flag folks. I also see a split between Film Gimp and gimp. More flags > of red. And there the fact that very POWERFUL people don't like us. We > don't serve them, we undermind their economic rents. > > So here's the challenge: who thinks that not knowing what regular expressions > are, or thinking that a feature request is wrong, is an indication of knowing > what you're doing as an open source developer in the GNU/Linux community? > > While this on going discussion is not a specific, tactical Q&A on code, it is > a specific discussion of what it is to work on that code, and the expectation > of that code's consumers: the GNU/Linux/Open Source community, and end-users > the world over. I'm "chop chewing" because of what I've found in this > CRITICAL application's development forum. > > Teachers correct, some learn, some cheat, others blame. Fact is, none of us > matter -- except for the users of gimp. If we care about them, then we're > not so different after all. > > David Weeks > > PS -- my deference to the French, and to Microsoft. America would be English, > were it not for aid of France, and computers would be Apple, Unix or IBM, > were it not for the aid of Microsoft. Ask those of us who were there, when a > "pop" of Unix ran $2500 a seat, and Microsoft could be had for $100. I'm > glad Richard Stallman, Linus Torvaldes(sp?), Vinton Cerf and company, and the > internet community furthered the perfection of software technology. The > strongest contribution being Freedom. > -- > You can call me at: 813-236-2009, USA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Shop TampaPC.com! > ___ > Gimp-developer mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] mng support.
Oppsys. Sent in with wrong id. Hi, I'm ten seconds new to this list, but years old in my questions: "What's the status of mng support in gimp?" If gimp doesn't support mng, what program must I adopt to generate mng files? (never mind which program I'll have to abandon.) Where can I find the api for gimp scripting? Dave -- You can call me at: 813-236-2009, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shop TampaPC.com! ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] mng
On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 06:38:32PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: > > GIMP is an image manipulation program, mng is an animation format. > > so what? He's wrong anyway, MNG is a multi-image format, with the primary target being replacement of GIF "anim" features because those features were missing in PNG (otherwise better than GIF in every way except simplicity) But multi-image also means layers (Wow! A common layered file format, openly specified and not fudged to meet the preferences of one app designer!) and just plain image archives e.g. ICO-style multiresolution icon resources. Not much software support for all that of course, but then support in Photoshop for PNG was abysmal when the PNG plug-in appeared in Gimp :) > Of course a plug-in for 1.2 can be hacked. We won't include it into the > official distribution because of the feature freeze, but [...] I did mean to do some work on this, honestly I did :) If someone else has a burning desire then they should feel free to ask any general questions of me, MNG is closely related to PNG, and as such technical issues are often in common between the two. Nick. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] mng
On 17 Nov, Sven Neumann wrote: >> > will gimp support the "mng" fileformat ?? >> GIMP is an image manipulation program, mng is an animation format. > so what? GIMP is not meant to be an editor for animations and as such is not well suited for this kind of job. I consider the gif plugin to be a (sometimes handy) hack but I wouldn't generally want to use GIMP to edit animations. -- Servus, Daniel ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] mng
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > will gimp support the "mng" fileformat ?? > > GIMP is an image manipulation program, mng is an animation format. so what? > > i have to make little animations, but i don't want to use the > > gif-format (because of the patent). > > so i read on the site www.burnallgifs.org of the format mng, but my > > gimp 1.2, doesn't know it. > > Exactly. gif was an expection because the animation mode is an extension > to the picture format and thus not to complicated to implement. Maybe > someone will hack a plugin that supports libmng but we'll definitely > not see this in any 1.2.x version, probably not even in 1.4.x except if > someone finds the time to do it. Of course a plug-in for 1.2 can be hacked. We won't include it into the official distribution because of the feature freeze, but of course a MNG plug-in for gimp-1.2 would be very much appreciated. Salut, Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] mng
On 14 Nov, jochen georges wrote: > will gimp support the "mng" fileformat ?? GIMP is an image manipulation program, mng is an animation format. > i have to make little animations, but i don't want to use the > gif-format (because of the patent). > so i read on the site www.burnallgifs.org of the format mng, but my > gimp 1.2, doesn't know it. Exactly. gif was an expection because the animation mode is an extension to the picture format and thus not to complicated to implement. Maybe someone will hack a plugin that supports libmng but we'll definitely not see this in any 1.2.x version, probably not even in 1.4.x except if someone finds the time to do it. > thank you for your answer and the wonderful gimp. In any case you might want to archive such wishes in the bugtracker at bugzilla.gnome.org and hope a bored hacker finds your wishes interesting enough to hack it. -- Servus, Daniel ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] mng
hello, will gimp support the "mng" fileformat ?? i have to make little animations, but i don't want to use the gif-format (because of the patent). so i read on the site www.burnallgifs.org of the format mng, but my gimp 1.2, doesn't know it. thank you for your answer and the wonderful gimp. beste gruesse jochen georges _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
