Re: [Gimp-developer] Status of gegl, gimp 3.0?

[Roel Schroeven]

Sven Neumann wrote:

Nathan Carl Summers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 

Which brings up an interesting question -- how can an open source
project accurately represent what is going on in developmentland on
its web site?
   

One thing I could imagine would be some sort of regular news update
on GIMP development. Similar to kernel-cousin (you mentioned that
already) or the Abiword Weekly News
(http://www.abisource.com/information/news/).
 

Something like that once existed, but sadly it's asleep now: 
http://kt.zork.net/asleep.html

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status of gegl, gimp 3.0?

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

Nathan Carl Summers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Which brings up an interesting question -- how can an open source
> project accurately represent what is going on in developmentland on
> its web site?

One thing I could imagine would be some sort of regular news update
on GIMP development. Similar to kernel-cousin (you mentioned that
already) or the Abiword Weekly News
(http://www.abisource.com/information/news/).

If someone was willing to do such a thing, that would of course be
very much appreciated. I would volunteer to help by reviewing the
information and by answering technical questions. This job probably
involves following the mailing-lists, following GIMP development in
CVS, reading the ChangeLogs and compiling the very latest version (in
order to produce nice screenshots of new features). So if there's
anyone listening who is doing all this anyway, perhaps that someone
wants to become famous for writing a regular summary on GIMP
development ?


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status of gegl, gimp 3.0?

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

Nathan Carl Summers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Which brings up an interesting question -- how can an open source
> project accurately represent what is going on in developmentland on
> its web site?  It's more of a question to ponder -- I don't have the
> answer myself.  On first thought, a todo list with progress bars and
> lists of current scarry bugs would be good, and a Kernel Cousin-like
> newslog could be good, too.

  http://developer.gimp.org/ChangeLog
  http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS
  
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=GIMP&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED
  
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=GIMP&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_severity=enhancement

All these are linked from the gimp.org web-site. We tried the nicer
looking TODO.xml (and it's HTML counterpart) for a while but it didn't
work and other projects that tried it, abandoned the idea as well.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status of gegl, gimp 3.0?

[Nathan Carl Summers]

On 5 Nov 2003, Sven Neumann wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Piotr Legiecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Indeed. Websites do rarely say anything useful about the state of
> development of an open source project. If you had a look at CVS, you'd
> have noticed that there is indeed development going on.

Which brings up an interesting question -- how can an open source project
accurately represent what is going on in developmentland on its web site?
It's more of a question to ponder -- I don't have the answer myself.  On
first thought, a todo list with progress bars and lists of current scarry
bugs would be good, and a Kernel Cousin-like newslog could be good, too.

Rockwalrus

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status of gegl, gimp 3.0?

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

I wrote:

> we consider to start by replacing GimpColor with GeglColor.
^
That should read GimpRGB of course.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status of gegl, gimp 3.0?

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

<[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann )> writes:

> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:27:04PM +0100, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > avoid another large rewrite of the GIMP that would cause another
> > endless development cycle. So at the moment we consider to start using
> > some parts of GEGL after GIMP-2.0 is out. This does not necessarily
> > mean that GIMP-2.2 will have significantly better support for color
> 
> Looking at the subject, I'd certainly say that the version that a)
> integrates gegl and b) makes full use of it (La*b*, fixed & floatingpoint
> etc.) would certainly qualify to be gimp-3.0 (I'd even say a major bump is
> a must) :)

Agreed. However this doesn't keep us from starting to use some GEGL
functionality earlier. This is all undecided yet but we consider to
start by replacing GimpColor with GeglColor.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status of gegl, gimp 3.0?

[pcg]

On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 12:27:04PM +0100, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> avoid another large rewrite of the GIMP that would cause another
> endless development cycle. So at the moment we consider to start using
> some parts of GEGL after GIMP-2.0 is out. This does not necessarily
> mean that GIMP-2.2 will have significantly better support for color

Looking at the subject, I'd certainly say that the version that a)
integrates gegl and b) makes full use of it (La*b*, fixed & floatingpoint
etc.) would certainly qualify to be gimp-3.0 (I'd even say a major bump is
a must) :)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status of gegl, gimp 3.0?

[Branko Collin]

On 5 Nov 2003, at 10:35, Piotr Legiecki wrote:

> I'd like to have a glimpse of what and *when* gimp is going to make
> next big step (after 2.0 release), or in other words when gimp is
> going to use gegl?
> 
> I have just looked at gegl site and it looks quiet, very quiet.
> Actually it looks just like a year ago ;-( (I mean those % status). Am
> I looking at wrong (not updated) places?

Sometimes Calvin needs to be prodded and poked a little to make him 
update the web site. I am sure if you asked him politely, he would 
update the site.

A much better source for checking out what's going on with GEGL 
(although not for a 'where are we now?' type of overview) is the CVS 
tree. See for instance 
 
(or other views at ). As you can see from the 
Changelog, it's mostly one person working at it, although he keeps 
working at it steadily. There are several other people involved 
though. They are on this list, so they might tell you more.

Good luck,


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status of gegl, gimp 3.0?

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

one more thing: Would you mind to finally add the information to
Bugzilla that I keep asking for? You are opening bug reports and
people express their interest to implement the features you are asking
for. But when asking for more feedback, you keep quiet. This is
certainly not a good way to motivate developers.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Status of gegl, gimp 3.0?

[Sven Neumann]

Hi,

Piotr Legiecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'd like to have a glimpse of what and *when* gimp is going to make
> next big step (after 2.0 release), or in other words when gimp is
> going to use gegl?

We are considering a slow migration towards GEGL since we want to
avoid another large rewrite of the GIMP that would cause another
endless development cycle. So at the moment we consider to start using
some parts of GEGL after GIMP-2.0 is out. This does not necessarily
mean that GIMP-2.2 will have significantly better support for color
spaces or more color precision but it means that the GEGL development
will get more momemtum and it will bring us one step closer to these
goals.

> I have just looked at gegl site and it looks quiet, very
> quiet. Actually it looks just like a year ago ;-( (I mean those %
> status). Am I looking at wrong (not updated) places?

Indeed. Websites do rarely say anything useful about the state of
development of an open source project. If you had a look at CVS, you'd
have noticed that there is indeed development going on.


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