Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp-help-custom.css
Hi It looks like the solution I wanted was already incorporated. Ran "make html-nn" and the file /stylesheets/nn/gimp-help-custom.css was copied to the html folder. Thereafter ran "make html-en" and the file stylesheets/nn/gimp-help-custom.css was not copied. I have not tested it on other languages yet. Sorry for being so incompetent. (But it led to an interesting discussion). (My internet connection was down today (again), therefore a bit late). Kolbjoern ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp-help-custom.css
Ulf-D. Ehlert skreiv:
> Kolbjørn Stuestøl (Tuesday, 30. March 2010)
> [...]
>
> As far as I understand it, gimp-help-custom.css exists to
> provide a simple way for everybody to customize the manual; for
> example, if you (and only you) want to make the background blue
> or use some exotic font, you can add this stylesheet to your
> html files.
>
But with one drawback: As this stylesheet (gimp-help-custom.css)
is called on top of every html file created, the style defined
in this file will affect all users! Not only one specific
language. (Yes, I know it is possible to define your own classes
or whatever not used by others, but that's another question).
>
> And if we add a gimp-help-custom.css it will overwrite the user's
> stylesheet on every update.
>
> That's why I think we should not add a gimp-help-custom.css for any
> purpose -- let the user add his own stylesheet if he wants to make
> some personal customizations.
>
It looks like we are talking a bit behind each other. Perhaps because my
incomplete English.
I'll give it a new try.
I was not thinking of individual users which in my opinion does not
think a second on formatting the help sides. They are reading the help
files to learn something about GIMP. My intention was to give the
*translators* a simple way to add a few extra styles in addition to and
without affecting the common styles. Some language dependent fine tuning
so to speak.
By now the file gimp-help-custom.css is not in use but added to each
html head tag. (Perhaps as Ulf mentioned to get the individual user a
chance to add his own style in a simple way?) I therefore suggested
using this file if I would give my xx translation an additional style I
then could write the extra style into the
/stylesheets/xx/gimp-help-custom.css file without affecting the common
style or styles specific to other languages. The common files could be
changed without giving my language dependent file a thought. It is up to
me (or the language team in most cases) to keep my special stylesheet up
to date in case the changes affects my file.
For languages not using the language dependent gimp-help-custom.css this
file will be empty or not existing. The user who wants to change the
layout using this file will be an experienced user of style sheets
having no problems to add the additional commands whether there are some
existing text or not in the file.
Of course this solution gives the language team the freedom to
completely rewrite the style. But if they do, it will in case affect the
specific language only, not other users.
As written before, this is not an important matter for me. It was a
suggestion only. So you may forget it if you want to.
>
>
>> My suggestion was that gimp-help-custom.css could be used to
>> language specific styles. If Norwegian is the only language that
>> would like to use the smaller font in italic in image texts, I
>> could put the style in the /stylesheets/nn folder. Of course the
>> Makefile in addition needs some conditionals to select the
>> language specific files. ("if LANG=xx then copy
>> stylesheets/xx/*.css to html").
>>
>
> This feature is still there, look for the string "Copying
> stylesheets":
>
> for file in $(srcdir)/stylesheets/*.css \
> $(srcdir)/stylesheets/$*/*.css; do \
> if [ -f $${file} ]; then cp -f $${file} html/$*; fi; \
> done
>
> Any CSS file in an language-specific subdir is copied to html (and
> overwrites the general CSS file which is copied before).
>
As you know I am not a Unix/Linux programmer, and I have not stepped
through the above sequence to see the contains of the variables. (As far
as I remeber from previous discussions in this list, there is no simple
step sequence in this programming language). But if this equation select
the language specific files it could be used to distinguish between
/stylesheets/xx. Then we already have a solution? (if we want to)
>
>> As the gimp22.css is listed downmost in the html head tag it is not
>> possible to override this style using the language dependent
>> method.
>>
>
> Unless the above code is broken, it is possible. Just copy and edit.
>
Again, I was thinking of what the program does, not the individual user.
>
>> I have to select the alternate style sheets (gimp22.css) for every
>> single side [...]
>>
>
> This depends on the browser.
>
OK. I have to find out how.
Kolbjoern
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Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp-help-custom.css
Kolbjørn Stuestøl (Tuesday, 30. March 2010)
[...]
> >>> As far as I understand it, gimp-help-custom.css exists to
> >>> provide a simple way for everybody to customize the manual; for
> >>> example, if you (and only you) want to make the background blue
> >>> or use some exotic font, you can add this stylesheet to your
> >>> html files.
> >>
> >> But with one drawback: As this stylesheet (gimp-help-custom.css)
> >> is called on top of every html file created, the style defined
> >> in this file will affect all users! Not only one specific
> >> language. (Yes, I know it is possible to define your own classes
> >> or whatever not used by others, but that's another question).
And if we add a gimp-help-custom.css it will overwrite the user's
stylesheet on every update.
That's why I think we should not add a gimp-help-custom.css for any
purpose -- let the user add his own stylesheet if he wants to make
some personal customizations.
> My suggestion was that gimp-help-custom.css could be used to
> language specific styles. If Norwegian is the only language that
> would like to use the smaller font in italic in image texts, I
> could put the style in the /stylesheets/nn folder. Of course the
> Makefile in addition needs some conditionals to select the
> language specific files. ("if LANG=xx then copy
> stylesheets/xx/*.css to html").
This feature is still there, look for the string "Copying
stylesheets":
for file in $(srcdir)/stylesheets/*.css \
$(srcdir)/stylesheets/$*/*.css; do \
if [ -f $${file} ]; then cp -f $${file} html/$*; fi; \
done
Any CSS file in an language-specific subdir is copied to html (and
overwrites the general CSS file which is copied before).
> As the gimp22.css is listed downmost in the html head tag it is not
> possible to override this style using the language dependent
> method.
Unless the above code is broken, it is possible. Just copy and edit.
> I have to select the alternate style sheets (gimp22.css) for every
> single side [...]
This depends on the browser.
Ulf
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Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp-help-custom.css
Ulf-D. Ehlert skreiv:
> Kolbjørn Stuestøl (Monday, 29. March 2010)
>
>> The intention was to give the image text another layout to
>> distinguish it from the rest of the text. In books and other paper
>> prints it is quite common to use a different font in italic for
>> pictures.
>>
>
> Yes, I just thought that italic is used to emphasize text.
>
That too
>
>> In my opinion it looks better, but others may disagree
>> in this.
>>
>
> Then add it.
>
Some input from others?
Should we add it in the common stylesheets?
>
>> I am running the GIMP manual on Windows/Firefox or Windows/Opera.
>> Perhaps other browsers gives a quite different display?
>>
>
> Just tested: it looks good using Konqueror (Linux). :-)
>
>
>>> As far as I understand it, gimp-help-custom.css exists to provide
>>> a simple way for everybody to customize the manual; for example,
>>> if you (and only you) want to make the background blue or use
>>> some exotic font, you can add this stylesheet to your html files.
>>>
>> But with one drawback: As this stylesheet (gimp-help-custom.css) is
>> called on top of every html file created, the style defined in this
>> file will affect all users! Not only one specific language.
>> (Yes, I know it is possible to define your own classes or whatever
>> not used by others, but that's another question).
>>
>
> No, I meant to just create you personal stylesheet, don't commit/push
> it.
>
>
>> (You may try it by copying the .caption {...} on top of this mail
>> into a gimp-help-plain.css file and add this file to your local
>> html folder).
>>
>
> For testing on the fly gimp-help-custom.css is even better.
>
Sorry for confusing.
I used "automatic writing" and was not aware of that
"gimp-help-custom.css" had changed to "gimp-help-plain.css". Of course
it should be "gimp-help-custom.css" here and below.
>
>>> Alternative: copy gimp-help-plain.css (and gimp22.css) to the
>>> (new) subdirectory stylesheets/nn and edit the copied
>>> stylesheets. This way only the Norwegian HTML manual would be
>>> affected.
>>>
>> Perhaps this is the best solution?
>> Moving the gimp-help-plain.css and gimp22.css to separate language
>> folders (as i.e. in po or images). Then the stylesheets would be
>> explicit to each language, not affecting other languages and the
>> gimp-help-plain.css would be living up to its intentions.
>>
>
> As long as the stylesheets don't differ we should avoid this, simply
> because we'd had to apply any later changes to every local stylesheet.
>
> This special feature is more interesting for non-European languages
> IMHO.
>
My suggestion was that gimp-help-custom.css could be used to language
specific styles. If Norwegian is the only language that would like to
use the smaller font in italic in image texts, I could put the style in
the /stylesheets/nn folder. Of course the Makefile in addition needs
some conditionals to select the language specific files. ("if LANG=xx
then copy stylesheets/xx/*.css to html").
As the gimp22.css is listed downmost in the html head tag it is not
possible to override this style using the language dependent method.
I have to select the alternate style sheets (gimp22.css) for every
single side and I am normally not using it. But perhaps some others does.
Again, sorry for my misleading misprint.
Kolbjoern
> Bye,
> Ulf
>
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Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp-help-custom.css
Kolbjørn Stuestøl (Monday, 29. March 2010)
> The intention was to give the image text another layout to
> distinguish it from the rest of the text. In books and other paper
> prints it is quite common to use a different font in italic for
> pictures.
Yes, I just thought that italic is used to emphasize text.
> In my opinion it looks better, but others may disagree
> in this.
Then add it.
> I am running the GIMP manual on Windows/Firefox or Windows/Opera.
> Perhaps other browsers gives a quite different display?
Just tested: it looks good using Konqueror (Linux). :-)
> > As far as I understand it, gimp-help-custom.css exists to provide
> > a simple way for everybody to customize the manual; for example,
> > if you (and only you) want to make the background blue or use
> > some exotic font, you can add this stylesheet to your html files.
>
> But with one drawback: As this stylesheet (gimp-help-custom.css) is
> called on top of every html file created, the style defined in this
> file will affect all users! Not only one specific language.
> (Yes, I know it is possible to define your own classes or whatever
> not used by others, but that's another question).
No, I meant to just create you personal stylesheet, don't commit/push
it.
> (You may try it by copying the .caption {...} on top of this mail
> into a gimp-help-plain.css file and add this file to your local
> html folder).
For testing on the fly gimp-help-custom.css is even better.
> > Alternative: copy gimp-help-plain.css (and gimp22.css) to the
> > (new) subdirectory stylesheets/nn and edit the copied
> > stylesheets. This way only the Norwegian HTML manual would be
> > affected.
>
> Perhaps this is the best solution?
> Moving the gimp-help-plain.css and gimp22.css to separate language
> folders (as i.e. in po or images). Then the stylesheets would be
> explicit to each language, not affecting other languages and the
> gimp-help-plain.css would be living up to its intentions.
As long as the stylesheets don't differ we should avoid this, simply
because we'd had to apply any later changes to every local stylesheet.
This special feature is more interesting for non-European languages
IMHO.
Bye,
Ulf
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Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp-help-custom.css
Ulf-D. Ehlert skreiv:
> Kolbjørn Stuestøl (Monday, 29. March 2010)
>
>> I would like to add
>> .caption {
>> font-size : smaller;
>> font-style : italic;
>> }
>> to the style sheets to differ the image text from the body text.
>>
>
> Doesn't make italic font-style the caption text "too" different or too
> marked?
>
The intention was to give the image text another layout to distinguish
it from the rest of the text. In books and other paper prints it is
quite common to use a different font in italic for pictures. In my
opinion it looks better, but others may disagree in this. Perhaps only
one of the styles should be used, either "font-size: smaller" or
"font-style: italics".
I am running the GIMP manual on Windows/Firefox or Windows/Opera.
Perhaps other browsers gives a quite different display?
>
>> Perhaps the not used gimp-help-custom.css file is a good way of
>> doing it, but as this wish may be unique to Norwegian only, how to
>> add a conditional to select languages?
>>
>
> As far as I understand it, gimp-help-custom.css exists to provide a
> simple way for everybody to customize the manual; for example, if you
> (and only you) want to make the background blue or use some exotic
> font, you can add this stylesheet to your html files.
>
But with one drawback: As this stylesheet (gimp-help-custom.css) is
called on top of every html file created, the style defined in this file
will affect all users! Not only one specific language.
(Yes, I know it is possible to define your own classes or whatever not
used by others, but that's another question).
> For an improvement like above, you should add your changes to the main
> stylesheet(s) (don't forget gimp22.css) if you think it's useful for
> everybody.
>
No problem if amended on this list.
Some inputs?
(You may try it by copying the .caption {...} on top of this mail into a
gimp-help-plain.css file and add this file to your local html folder).
> Alternative: copy gimp-help-plain.css (and gimp22.css) to the (new)
> subdirectory stylesheets/nn and edit the copied stylesheets. This way
> only the Norwegian HTML manual would be affected.
>
Perhaps this is the best solution?
Moving the gimp-help-plain.css and gimp22.css to separate language
folders (as i.e. in po or images). Then the stylesheets would be
explicit to each language, not affecting other languages and the
gimp-help-plain.css would be living up to its intentions.
Kolbjoern
> Bye,
> Ulf
>
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Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp-help-custom.css
Kolbjørn Stuestøl (Monday, 29. March 2010)
> I would like to add
> .caption {
> font-size : smaller;
> font-style : italic;
> }
> to the style sheets to differ the image text from the body text.
Doesn't make italic font-style the caption text "too" different or too
marked?
> Perhaps the not used gimp-help-custom.css file is a good way of
> doing it, but as this wish may be unique to Norwegian only, how to
> add a conditional to select languages?
As far as I understand it, gimp-help-custom.css exists to provide a
simple way for everybody to customize the manual; for example, if you
(and only you) want to make the background blue or use some exotic
font, you can add this stylesheet to your html files.
For an improvement like above, you should add your changes to the main
stylesheet(s) (don't forget gimp22.css) if you think it's useful for
everybody.
Alternative: copy gimp-help-plain.css (and gimp22.css) to the (new)
subdirectory stylesheets/nn and edit the copied stylesheets. This way
only the Norwegian HTML manual would be affected.
Bye,
Ulf
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Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp-help-custom.css
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:04:37AM +0200, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:
> I would like to add
> .caption {
> font-size : smaller;
> font-style : italic;
> }
> to the style sheets to differ the image text from the body text.
> Perhaps the not used gimp-help-custom.css file is a good way of doing
> it, but as this wish may be unique to Norwegian only, how to add a
> conditional to select languages? (if LANG="nn" then ... else not)
Yeh - I don't see a way without some programming to make it conditional.
To be honest, if other folks agree, I'd say go ahead and add it to the
general stylesheet.
Cheers,
--
Roman Joost
www: http://www.romanofski.de
email: romanof...@gimp.org
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[Gimp-docs] gimp-help-custom.css
I would like to add
.caption {
font-size : smaller;
font-style : italic;
}
to the style sheets to differ the image text from the body text.
Perhaps the not used gimp-help-custom.css file is a good way of doing
it, but as this wish may be unique to Norwegian only, how to add a
conditional to select languages? (if LANG="nn" then ... else not)
As far as I know it is not possible in the style sheet, but is there a
clever/simple way of doing this. (Unless we add it to the common style
sheets).
It is not very important to me to add this style, only a suggestion/wish.
Kolbjoern
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