[Gimp-user] Install Gimp 2.0

2004-05-17 Thread Squareyes
Hi all,
I have been watching this list since early March this year and have to
admit am getting more confused by the day.
I have been using The Gimp to edit my digital photo's (version 1.2.3 
which I am very impressed with, very logical to use)
and have been watching the list talking about Gimp 2. and would like to 
try it.
I am afraid I have no hope of ever compiling it, so have downloaded a 
series of rpm's from Xach. I have a couple of questions.
1. Am using Mandrake 9.1, and will use rpmdrake, will these Rpm's be 
suitable for it?
2. If they are suitable, is there any particular order I should install 
them in?
3. Do I need to install the Rpm's marked as devel. e.g. 
atk-devel-1.6.0-1.i386.rpm ?
4. Do I need to remove any files relating to the version I am now using?
I have read on this list that the 2 versions will co-exist.

Thanks for your patience, we beginners must be a trial to you all, am 
afraid my brain is getting too old to learn too many new tricks, but am 
still trying.
Take Care
Winton

The list of Rpm's I downloaded from Xach are listed below.
atk-1.6.0-1.i386.rpm (142.4)
atk-devel-1.6.0-1.i386.rpm(86.1K)
autoconf-2.59-3.noarch.rpm (627.6K)
automake-1.8.3-1.noarch.rpm (477.3K)
fontconfig-2.2.1-8.1.i386.rpm (113.0K)
fontconfig-devel-2.2.1-8.1.i386.rpm (231.4K)
gimp-2.0.0-1.i386.rpm (9.2M)
gimp-devel-2.0.0-1.i386.rpm   (66.1K)
gimp-docs-2.0.0-1.i386.rpm (442.7K)
glib2-2.4.0-1.i386.rpm (465.1K)
glib2-devel-2.4.0-1.i386.rpm (875.8K)
gtk2-2.4.0-1.i386.rpm (4.0M)
gtk2-devel-2.4.0-1.i386.rpm (1.9M)
pango-1.4.0-1.i386.rpm (263.7K)
pango-devel-1.4.0-1.i386.rpm (156.5)

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Re: [Gimp-user] Install Gimp 2.0

2004-05-17 Thread Dave Neary
Hello,
Squareyes wrote:
I have been watching the list talking about Gimp 2. and would like to 
try it.
Good luck :)
1. Am using Mandrake 9.1, and will use rpmdrake, will these Rpm's be 
suitable for it?
I'm not sure.
2. If they are suitable, is there any particular order I should install 
them in?
I know when I was running an RPM based system, I used to try to install 
the last one first, get the list of dependencies, and install them in 
order until things worked. That's not an optimal solution :)

The approximate order of installation should be
glib
atk
fontconfig
pango
gtk
gimp
gimp-docs
3. Do I need to install the Rpm's marked as devel. e.g. 
atk-devel-1.6.0-1.i386.rpm ?
Not unless you plan on compiling the GIMP from source. Nor do you need 
automake or autoconf, unless you plan to build from CVS.

4. Do I need to remove any files relating to the version I am now using?
I have read on this list that the 2 versions will co-exist.
You don't need to remove anything. It is possible that your packaging 
system won't like having 2 versions of the GIMP installed, but IIRC 
there is a way to force RPM to install a new copy alongside the old one, 
rather than have it replace it.

Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Dave.
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[Gimp-user] Re: Re: GIMP 2.0 for Mandrake 10?

2004-05-17 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Richard McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I did download the main GIMP 2.01 tar.gz and in the install notes it
 says there are about 7 other files I need to download and install
 the following files:

[snip]

 That's just nuts.  I guess I will have to wait untill someone
 actually takes the time to build an RPM for Mandrake, I just don't
 have the sort of patience.

Right, that's also what INSTALL suggests. Unless you are experienced
with building software from scratch, you shouldn't try to get GIMP's
dependencies built from source. Actually you should even try to avoid
building GIMP from source.

 It's bad enough that Linux doesn't have much to offer in the way of
 graphic apps that can do high end professional work but to have one
 of the only ones so hard to 'put together' I can't deal with that
 right now.
 
 I'm impressed with Mandrake 10 so far but graphics are one of the
 main things I do on a computer, so I guess it's back to Windows, not
 really complaining, I just don't get too upset much any more.  Maybe
 in another 5 or 10 years this OS will win me over but in the mean
 time I have work to do, over in Windows!

Well, Mandrake appears to be the only major Linux distribution that is
not yet offering a convenient way to install GIMP 2.0. So perhaps
instead of complaining, consider to use a different distribution.


Sven
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[Gimp-user] Re : Install Gimp2.0 . Many thanks

2004-05-17 Thread Squareyes
Hi Dave,
many thanks for the info,
wil try it in the morning.
Take Care.
Winton
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Re: [Gimp-user] Install Gimp 2.0

2004-05-17 Thread Henrik Brix Andersen
Hi,

On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 18:03, Squareyes wrote:
 1. Am using Mandrake 9.1, and will use rpmdrake, will these Rpm's be 
 suitable for it?

I think the RPMs provided by Xach is for Red Hat Linux 9 only.

 2. If they are suitable, is there any particular order I should install 
 them in?

If I recall correctly you can just put all the RPMs in one directory and
do rpm -Uvh *.rpm. The installation order will then be determined by
the internal dependencies.

 3. Do I need to install the Rpm's marked as devel. e.g. 
 atk-devel-1.6.0-1.i386.rpm ?

You only need to install the -devel RPMs if you intend to compile
anything against the installed libraries.

 4. Do I need to remove any files relating to the version I am now using?
 I have read on this list that the 2 versions will co-exist.

GIMP 1.2.x and 2.0.x will happily co-exist.

Regards,
Brix
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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp 2 icon theme that looks like gimp 1.2

2004-05-17 Thread Alan Horkan

On Mon, 17 May 2004, Dave Neary wrote:

 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 18:12:22 +0200
 From: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] gimp 2 icon theme that looks like gimp 1.2


 Hi Alan,

 Alan Horkan wrote:
  I'm wondering if anyone had made an icon theme for gimp 2 that looks like
  gimp 1.2?

 I'm not sure why you'd want to do that - I always thought the GIMP 1.2
 was pretty bleak...

I'm considering making my own theme.  If I do, I would like to use the
Gimp 1.2 icons as a starting point because they are simpler and in a way
they are clearer.  If it doesn't already exist, I will end up making a
gimp 1.2 theme along the way.

 But you're free to have a go. The icons from 1.2 are in XBM format
 embedded in the source in app/pixmaps.h and app/pixmaps2.h - the icon
 for the color picker, for example, is in app/pixmaps2.h from lines 162
 to 188 - you can load this with the old ico plug-in too (it's the
 old-format GIMP Icon format, which is essentially the same as XBM).

I'm familar enough with the format, that part wouldn't be a problem.

At the moment it is just an idea though.

- Alan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Install Gimp 2.0

2004-05-17 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  GIMP 1.2.x and 2.0.x will happily co-exist.
  
 as will gimp-1.0 and gimp-1.1 and gimp-1.3 exist with gimp-1.2 and
 gimp-2.0, if you are like me and have little things from all of them
 that you want and a big enough hard drive and distribution that
 actually works on your computer.
 
 this is not the case with gimp-2.1 and that nice list.  can someone
 remind me of the logic of this (i assume) temporary condition?  the
 developers i came to respect went out of their way to avoid this.

gimp-2.1, which is supposed to become gimp-2.2, will be compatible
with gimp-2.0 so there is no point in having the two versions
installed side-by-side. When gimp-2.2 is ready it will happily replace
gimp-2.0 and plug-ins compiled for gimp-2.0 will continue to work.

That's the reason that gimp-2.1 cannot be installed into the same
prefix as gimp-2.0. It's supposed to replace it. Currently there's the
temporary condition that gimp-2.1 installs quite some things into
directories versioned as 2.1. This is supposed to be changed back to
2.0 when gimp-2.2 is ready.


Sven
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