Re: [Gimp-user] Holiday fantasies
Hi Kevin, Selon Kevin Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I *completely* disagree with Jozsef regarding elimination of the transformation dialogues that allow numeric input. While these dialog boxes may not be very useful in Jozsef's workflow, they are *extremely* useful in mine, where graphics objects and images must be sized to exact numeric specifications, not according to how they look. In fact the gimp would be almost completely useless for my purposes without these dialogs. Whether Jozsef's suggestion of a single transformation box could be practical for all of these, I can't say. At best, these inputs belong in the tool options. At worst, they're internal details exposed in the interface, and should more or less be invisible. Eliminating these dialogs, and the crop tool's pop-up, are high priorities for 2.4 as far as I am concerned. Kevin, you might like them, but as someone who regularly gives tutorials in the GIMP to people, and one of the most common tasks is reframing or rotating a bad photo, these dialogs are completely confusing, and most people don't want them. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Holiday fantasies
Hi Dave, I might not have a serious problem with moving these inputs to the tools options, though I don't know how much more cumbersome that would make use of these tools for folks like me, especially considering that these really are inputs, not options. In my usage these inputs are used almost every single time that I use these tools. Perhaps a tool option could be provided that would simply enable/disable the display of these values? I strongly disagree with you with regard to considering these inputs as simply internal details exposed in the interface. If you eliminate the ability to provide these inputs, you make will make the GIMP almost totally useless for folks like me who use the GIMP for technical illustration and image manipulation purposes, rather than as a paint program or for photo touchup work. I don't doubt that your experiences are true, however they are limited to the realm of your own experience and expertise, and may not apply to many folks who are using the GIMP for other purposes. I implore you to please consider the rest of us, and not to limit the GIMP according to your seemingly paint/photo centric view. s/KAM - Original Message - From: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kevin Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kevin Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Holiday fantasies Hi Kevin, Selon Kevin Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I *completely* disagree with Jozsef regarding elimination of the transformation dialogues that allow numeric input. While these dialog boxes may not be very useful in Jozsef's workflow, they are *extremely* useful in mine, where graphics objects and images must be sized to exact numeric specifications, not according to how they look. In fact the gimp would be almost completely useless for my purposes without these dialogs. Whether Jozsef's suggestion of a single transformation box could be practical for all of these, I can't say. At best, these inputs belong in the tool options. At worst, they're internal details exposed in the interface, and should more or less be invisible. Eliminating these dialogs, and the crop tool's pop-up, are high priorities for 2.4 as far as I am concerned. Kevin, you might like them, but as someone who regularly gives tutorials in the GIMP to people, and one of the most common tasks is reframing or rotating a bad photo, these dialogs are completely confusing, and most people don't want them. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary Lyon, France ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Holiday fantasies
Hi, One of the things I was talking about in my previous email will be clearer if you look at this screenshot I made of Gimp. http://jozmak.heydo.com/wallpapers/screensavers.htm Look at all the wasted space underneath the tool icons. That area offers itself for all kinds of useful option dialog boxes. There are so much unused space there that if it would be smartly utilized Gimp could be made one of the most intuitive interface with the best interactive tool sets. jozsefmak ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Holiday fantasies
Hi, Jozsef Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the things I was talking about in my previous email will be clearer if you look at this screenshot I made of Gimp. http://jozmak.heydo.com/wallpapers/screensavers.htm Look at all the wasted space underneath the tool icons. I suggest you get rid of it then. You can disable the color area and brushes/gradient/pattern indicator in the toolbox. Try using a Colors dock as a replacement for the color area. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Holiday fantasies
From: Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jozsef Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Holiday fantasies Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:56:27 +0100 Hi, Jozsef Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the things I was talking about in my previous email will be clearer if you look at this screenshot I made of Gimp. http://jozmak.heydo.com/wallpapers/screensavers.htm Look at all the wasted space underneath the tool icons. I suggest you get rid of it then. You can disable the color area and brushes/gradient/pattern indicator in the toolbox. Try using a Colors dock as a replacement for the color area. My idea was not to get rid of that space but to populate it with useful information, which are presently scattered in the various transformation windows (degree of rotation, width, height and so on). If that information would be in plain view at all times, transforming objects interactively would be much less complex. jozsefmak ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Holiday fantasies
Jozsef Mak wrote: My idea was not to get rid of that space but to populate it with useful information, which are presently scattered in the various transformation windows (degree of rotation, width, height and so on). If that information would be in plain view at all times, transforming objects interactively would be much less complex. You could start by implementing dockables (the things like e.g. the layers dialog etc... that are grouped in the docks) for the transform tool dialogs. Of course, you would need some infrastructure, like docking horizontally, too. Not neccessarily a small task, but it will surely provide you with some knowledge about GIMP's user interface. HTH, Michael -- The GIMP http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] installing bump plugin
Hi, I am a brand new member of this list so excuse my newbie questions. I checked the archive but it doesn't seem to be 'searchable' (it returns an error message). Anyway, I am trying to install the bump plugin; which is just bumpmap.c, in order to do the tutorial but I can't seem to get it working. I think I'm supposed to use gimptool-2.0 but I get the command not found error. Is this tool itself a plugin? Where do I obtain it? I am running mandrake 10.1 official on an Inspiron 9100 laptop. Thanks and regards, Bill W. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Print dialog size
The image with all its parameter settings is simply too big for my screen, at any resolution. The action keys roll off the bottom, even when I hide the panel. I am using KDE 3.3.1, ProMepis distro, kernel 2.6.7, Gimp 2.2.0 Appreciate your help with this problem. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] installing bump plugin
On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 05:47:31PM +, Bill Winegarden wrote: Hi, I am a brand new member of this list so excuse my newbie questions. I checked the archive but it doesn't seem to be 'searchable' (it returns an error message). Anyway, I am trying to install the bump plugin; which is just bumpmap.c, in order to do the tutorial but I can't seem to get it working. I think I'm supposed to use gimptool-2.0 but I get the command not found error. Is this tool itself a plugin? Where do I obtain it? see Filters --Map --Bump Map. i think what you are trying to install is already there. for the gimptool, you need to install libgimp-dev. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Holiday fantasies
From: Michael Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Holiday fantasies Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:53:10 +0100 Jozsef Mak wrote: My idea was not to get rid of that space but to populate it with useful information, which are presently scattered in the various transformation windows (degree of rotation, width, height and so on). If that information would be in plain view at all times, transforming objects interactively would be much less complex. You could start by implementing dockables (the things like e.g. the layers dialog etc... that are grouped in the docks) for the transform tool dialogs. Of course, you would need some infrastructure, like docking horizontally, too. Not neccessarily a small task, but it will surely provide you with some knowledge about GIMP's user interface. I am not a programmer but a graphic designer. My intention was to provide useful feedback that can help fine-tuning Gimp. From my point of view designing software is like designing a car, which should serve the driver rather than the auto mechanic. Of course, there are many types of drivers–weekend drivers, racecar drivers and so on; like software users; there are hobbyists and professionals. All types have different expectations. If you use a program professionally you want it to perform as efficient and smoothly as possible. I look at Gimp from this point of view. I understand that occasional users and hobbyists have different views, which is OK. But here the question is what do we want Gimp to become in the future. jozsefmak - The GIMP http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
