Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread Greg Chapman

On 26 Jan 10 09:19 Andre Anckaert an...@anckaert.be said:
 Reading:
 http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/en/introduction.html#introduction-gimp 
 
 I do not believe GIMP expects to be used for making WEB-pages. Nor 
 for making coffee. It will certainly be glad to make images fit for 
 use on the WEB.
 
 A well known GIMP-tutor recently recommended Kompozer to me for 
 building web-pages. See: http://www.gregtutor.plus.com 

Thanks for the recommendation André. For English speakers there's also
a lot of help available for KompoZer at the forum:
http://wysifauthoring.informe.com/forum/

Greg Chapman
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Helping new users of KompoZer and The GIMP
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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread RSA
Just going by what I read on a tutorial.

http://gimp-tutorials.net/websitetutorial


I use OpenOffice Writer and create web pages that wayit's much 
easier for a novice like myself than Kompozer and can do more with less 
html knowledge.


On 10-01-26 04:19 AM, Andre Anckaert wrote:
 Reading:

 http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/en/introduction.html#introduction-gimp

 I do not believe GIMP expects to be used for making WEB-pages. Nor for making 
 coffee. It will certainly be glad to make images fit for use on the WEB.

 A well known GIMP-tutor recently recommended Kompozer to me for building 
 web-pages. See: http://www.gregtutor.plus.com

 André Anckaert


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 Can anyone recommend good tutorial for making a web page with GIMP?
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Re: [Gimp-user] EXIF Data from RAW files

2010-01-26 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com [01-26-10 00:38]:
 All that awesome EXIF info in my RAW pictures that I'd like to keep.
 Does UFraw not pass it along, or does Gimp not collect it? It's REALLY
 ANNOYING!!!
 
 How do others deal with this? I'd love to hear solutions!

Then you will be very unhappy to hear that I need no solution as I see
virtually all of the exif information in jpegs generated by ufraw/gimp
from nef raw files produced by my Nikon D3.  The only differencies I
notice relate to data specific to the file format and/or location such as
different size, embedded jpg, etc.

Comparisons made on data extracted with exiftool, 

exiftool-7.82-2.2
ufraw-0.15-7.1
gimp-2.6.7-4.4

You fail to mention the versions of the binaries you are using to make
your statement or who generated those binaries and whether the exif data
function was even compiled into your binaries.

I went so far as to compare another jpg generated from the same raw file
by bibble5pro and it is ~1800 bites smaller than the one from the gimp
generated jpg.

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[Gimp-user] Text looks rough

2010-01-26 Thread RSA
When I make a web banner that is only text it looks great in GIMP and in 
my web page maker.

When I put it up on the web the text looks rough like someone cut it 
out with a jig saw.

I use the banner in JPG format or GIF format and the results are the same.


Any ideas how to fix it?


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Re: [Gimp-user] Text looks rough

2010-01-26 Thread John Mills
RSA -

On esuggestion:
  Be sure you create the banner and its text at a high enough image 
resolution. It may be rendered as fuzzy or jagged if the text's bit-image 
is enlarged substantially for printing or viewing (in contrast to 
vector-based graphics). I had this problem when I started out.

  - John Mills

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010, RSA wrote:

 When I make a web banner that is only text it looks great in GIMP and in
 my web page maker.

 When I put it up on the web the text looks rough like someone cut it
 out with a jig saw.

 I use the banner in JPG format or GIF format and the results are the same.

 Any ideas how to fix it?
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Re: [Gimp-user] Text looks rough

2010-01-26 Thread RSA
Thanks.  I thought there was some relationship between px size and final 
result but figured I was doing something wrong.







On 10-01-26 09:54 AM, John Mills wrote:
 RSA -

 On esuggestion:
  Be sure you create the banner and its text at a high enough image 
 resolution. It may be rendered as fuzzy or jagged if the text's 
 bit-image is enlarged substantially for printing or viewing (in 
 contrast to vector-based graphics). I had this problem when I started 
 out.

  - John Mills

 On Tue, 26 Jan 2010, RSA wrote:

 When I make a web banner that is only text it looks great in GIMP and in
 my web page maker.

 When I put it up on the web the text looks rough like someone cut it
 out with a jig saw.

 I use the banner in JPG format or GIF format and the results are the 
 same.

 Any ideas how to fix it?


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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread Programmer In Training
On 1/26/2010 6:56 AM, RSA wrote:
 Just going by what I read on a tutorial.
 
 http://gimp-tutorials.net/websitetutorial
 
 
 I use OpenOffice Writer and create web pages that wayit's much 
 easier for a novice like myself than Kompozer and can do more with
 less html knowledge.

I use a plain text editor. If you're going to be doing any sort of even
half-serious web design, I highly recommend several methods of learning
HTML:

Read the standard available at:
www.w3.org

Go around to websites you like and view the source (it's how I learned
to start out), then copy/paste the parts you like or want to learn more
about. If you don't care about standards validity to start with, you
only need to worry about the following structure:

html
head
titleInsert title/title
/head
body
Insert content here
/body
/html

You seem to be an intelligent fellow. The above methods got me to
designing nice looking sites in only about 6 months. Of course I've been
brushing up my skills for the past 12 years now. I don't do anything
overly-complex because I'm lazy and because it will break in at least
one major browser. To get this back on subject, the only thing I use
GIMP for in web design is image creation/editing.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread Deniz Dogan
2010/1/26 Programmer In Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us:
 I use a plain text editor. If you're going to be doing any sort of even
 half-serious web design, I highly recommend several methods of learning
 HTML:

 Read the standard available at:
 www.w3.org


It is not a good idea to just jump in and start reading standards and
specifications. I suggest reading a good book about basic modern web
design instead.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread bigskypa
On 01/26/2010 11:56 AM, Deniz Dogan wrote:
 2010/1/26 Programmer In Trainingp...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us:

 I use a plain text editor. If you're going to be doing any sort of even
 half-serious web design, I highly recommend several methods of learning
 HTML:

 Read the standard available at:
 www.w3.org

  
 It is not a good idea to just jump in and start reading standards and
 specifications. I suggest reading a good book about basic modern web
 design instead.



I'm just a computer user with little or no interest in something other 
than making a simple web site.  No flashy stuff (yet), just simple 
things.  But, I do want the flexibility of making the page look the way 
I want it to lookin that, WYSIWYG is typically a misleading 
termas the results are much different than what I hope for.  In 
other words- it doesn't work out like that for me.  And that's why books 
are written on how to do it.



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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread Programmer In Training
On 1/26/2010 10:56 AM, Deniz Dogan wrote:
 2010/1/26 Programmer In Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us:
 I use a plain text editor. If you're going to be doing any sort of even
 half-serious web design, I highly recommend several methods of learning
 HTML:

 Read the standard available at:
 www.w3.org

 
 It is not a good idea to just jump in and start reading standards and
 specifications. I suggest reading a good book about basic modern web
 design instead.
 

I disagree. After teaching myself the basics (by copying work others had
done), reading the standards and specifications jumped my knowledge more
then any book ever did. The only design book I have is for CSS 2.1 and I
don't even use it that much. It's not that it's a bad book (it's a great
one, in fact), it's just that I find the specification to be much more
user friendly in regards to search-ability.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Text looks rough

2010-01-26 Thread Daniel Hornung
On Tuesday 26 January 2010 15:35:45 RSA wrote:
 When I make a web banner that is only text it looks great in GIMP and in
 my web page maker.
 
 When I put it up on the web the text looks rough like someone cut it
 out with a jig saw.
 
 I use the banner in JPG format or GIF format and the results are the same.

Does this really also happen when you have a file that's never been saved to 
gif, i.e. has never been downgraded to 256 colors?

Daniel


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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread Programmer In Training
On 1/26/2010 11:42 AM, bigsk...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
 I'm just a computer user with little or no interest in something other 
 than making a simple web site.  No flashy stuff (yet), just simple 
 things.  But, I do want the flexibility of making the page look the way 
 I want it to lookin that, WYSIWYG is typically a misleading 
 termas the results are much different than what I hope for.  In 
 other words- it doesn't work out like that for me.  And that's why books 
 are written on how to do it.

There are also online tuts. Again, I generally find them to be better
than books because of being able to search for exactly what you need
with minimal effort.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Text looks rough

2010-01-26 Thread bigskypa

On 01/26/2010 01:07 PM, Daniel Hornung wrote:

On Tuesday 26 January 2010 15:35:45 RSA wrote:
   

When I make a web banner that is only text it looks great in GIMP and in
my web page maker.

When I put it up on the web the text looks rough like someone cut it
out with a jig saw.

I use the banner in JPG format or GIF format and the results are the same.
 

Does this really also happen when you have a file that's never been saved to
gif, i.e. has never been downgraded to 256 colors?
   

Yes.  It happens in both JPG and GIF.

What I do to solve the problem is make the PX count large using GIMP and 
then shrink it down on my webpage maker and it works out nicely.  
Translated- it shouldn't have to be this way.










Daniel
   



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Re: [Gimp-user] EXIF Data from RAW files

2010-01-26 Thread Frank Gore
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com wrote:
 You fail to mention the versions of the binaries you are using to make
 your statement or who generated those binaries and whether the exif data
 function was even compiled into your binaries.

I currently have Gimp 2.6.8. I've had the same issue with UFraw 0.15
and 0.16. I have exiftool 7.82-2.2. All of these binaries are from
openSUSE 11.2. All EXIF data just vanishes when I open a RAW file from
my Pentax K-7.

But apparently it's not just UFraw/Gimp. Digikam does the same thing
on my system, and it uses libraw 0.7.2 for its RAW conversion. I can
see all the existing EXIF data in the RAW file by using exiv2, but it
just doesn't get carried over when I process the RAW file. If I dump
all EXIF, IPTC and XMP data to a text file, it becomes a 315 KB file.
This is beyond aggravating. I'm not even sure where to start looking
for the problem.
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[Gimp-user] How to enhance low resolution graphic for larger modified image ???

2010-01-26 Thread helices
I have a simple JPG (108x170 pixels) that I want to use in a larger,
higher resolution image that I'm creating.  It is a fairly simple black
and white drawing -- actually, a light bulb with several curves and
angles and straight lines.

Yes, I have expanded it to 1000x1575 pixels.  Yes, I've zoomed to 800x,
selected non-black pixels and deleted them.

What I have now is almost tolerable; but, I'd like to know alternatives,
preferably the simplest, most straight forward method to clean up the
jagged edges that are visible.

I will not use it at 1000x1575; but, I need it considerably more
detailed than 108x170.

Please, comment and advise.

Best Regards,

Mike


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Re: [Gimp-user] How to enhance low resolution graphic for larger modified image ???

2010-01-26 Thread Chris Mohler
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Jay Smith j...@jaysmith.com wrote:
 On 01/26/2010 02:49 PM, helices wrote:
 I have a simple JPG (108x170 pixels) that I want to use in a larger,
 higher resolution image that I'm creating.  It is a fairly simple black
 and white drawing -- actually, a light bulb with several curves and
 angles and straight lines.

 This may be missing the point somehow, but if you used some kind of
 outlining program (followed by a little editing) that creates a
 vector-based (instead of bitmap based) image, you could then scale to
 whatever size you want with perfect resolution, and then convert that
 size to a bitmap format like JPG.  If you save the vector version, you
 can scale-and-save-out to as many sizes as you like.

I would open Inkscape, import the graphic, then either do a trace or
redraw it.  Then delete the image, save as SVG, open in GIMP at
desired size.

 Back in the day I used Adobe Streamline for this kind of task, but I
 don't know if that even still exists any more.

Streamline was for OS 8-9 IIRC, and never got ported to OSX.  I use
inkscape to do tracing - it works better than the auto-trace feature
in Adobe's products anyway (especially on blank-and-white images).

Chris
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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread Patrick Horgan
Deniz Dogan wrote:
 It is not a good idea to just jump in and start reading standards and
 specifications. I suggest reading a good book about basic modern web
 design instead.
   
Ah, different learning styles.  Please understand that for some people, 
like me, for example this is exactly the perfect way.  For others it 
wouldn't work at all.  My only point is that it's good to realize that 
there are many learning styles and it's better not to make overarching 
statements about this will not work, or only this can be done.  I agree 
that learning about design is good, but design books are so fluffy to 
me!  I make myself read them, and I do better work because of it, but 
one is learning your tools, and the other is learning what might be 
better done with them.

Patrick


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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread Claus Cyrny

Programmer In Training wrote:

On 1/26/2010 10:56 AM, Deniz Dogan wrote:
  

2010/1/26 Programmer In Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us:


I use a plain text editor. If you're going to be doing any sort of even
half-serious web design, I highly recommend several methods of learning
HTML:

Read the standard available at:
www.w3.org

  

It is not a good idea to just jump in and start reading standards and
specifications. I suggest reading a good book about basic modern web
design instead.




I disagree. After teaching myself the basics (by copying work others had
done), reading the standards and specifications jumped my knowledge more
then any book ever did. The only design book I have is for CSS 2.1


I'm also self-taught, and I learned much of what I know by having downloaded
a really comprehensive reference that is written in German (unfortunately
it's not available in English).  Right now I'm at the point where I only 
use the W3C

specs I have downloaded as a reference. Essentially, I think, web design is
not that difficult. Understanding the CSS box formatting model is imho very
important, and when looking for the answer to any specific problem, I 
use Google.


Just my 2 cents,

Claus

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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread Claus Cyrny

Programmer In Training wrote:

On 1/26/2010 10:56 AM, Deniz Dogan wrote:
  

2010/1/26 Programmer In Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us:


I use a plain text editor.

I also write all of the code myself, but I would at least
recommend a text editor which had syntax highlighting.
Under Linux, this is really no problem, but I'm not sure
about Windows or MacOS. I use Bluefish, a HTML/CSS
editor for Linux.

Claus

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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread Claus Cyrny

bigsk...@gmail.com wrote:

On 01/26/2010 11:56 AM, Deniz Dogan wrote:
  

2010/1/26 Programmer In Trainingp...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us:
   


I use a plain text editor. If you're going to be doing any sort of even
half-serious web design, I highly recommend several methods of learning
HTML:

Read the standard available at:
www.w3.org 
  


In the very beginning, I used this document as a reference:

http://www.lib.tsinghua.edu.cn/chinese/INTERNET/HTML/Table/html_design.html

Claus

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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread Frank Gore
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Claus Cyrny claus.cy...@web.de wrote:
 In the very beginning, I used this document as a reference:

 http://www.lib.tsinghua.edu.cn/chinese/INTERNET/HTML/Table/html_design.html


Oh wow, that brings back memories... you just made me feel real old.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?

2010-01-26 Thread Claus Cyrny

Claus Cyrny wrote:

bigsk...@gmail.com wrote:

On 01/26/2010 11:56 AM, Deniz Dogan wrote:
  

2010/1/26 Programmer In Trainingp...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us:
   


I use a plain text editor. If you're going to be doing any sort of even
half-serious web design, I highly recommend several methods of learning
HTML:

Read the standard available at:
www.w3.org 
  


In the very beginning, I used this document as a reference:

http://www.lib.tsinghua.edu.cn/chinese/INTERNET/HTML/Table/html_design.html


It is recommended, though, to enclose attributes properly, like

lt; img width=[value], instead of lt; img width=[value].

Claus

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Re: [Gimp-user] How to enhance low resolution graphic for larger modified image ???

2010-01-26 Thread Akkana Peck
helices writes:
 I have a simple JPG (108x170 pixels) that I want to use in a larger,
 higher resolution image that I'm creating.  It is a fairly simple black
 and white drawing -- actually, a light bulb with several curves and
 angles and straight lines.
 
 Yes, I have expanded it to 1000x1575 pixels.  Yes, I've zoomed to 800x,
 selected non-black pixels and deleted them.
 
 What I have now is almost tolerable; but, I'd like to know alternatives,
 preferably the simplest, most straight forward method to clean up the
 jagged edges that are visible.

Try this:

- Select by color and click on one of the lines.

- Selection to Path.

- Select None.

- Scale the image up to the desired size.

- Path to selection.

- Fill the selection with black.

It doesn't work for everything, but for a line drawing or solid
colored block figure, sometimes you can get amazingly smooth edges
that way.

...Akkana
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