Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Richard Gitschlag]

> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:50:54 -0700
> From: kwarner...@verizon.net
> To: ofn...@laposte.net
> CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
> 
> The obvious design that satisfies both groups has been offered several times 
> and has been derided as --- I don't know why, although numerous attempts to 
> justify the current design has been proffered.

You mean the "make it a user preference" one?  To me, the simplest compromise 
is to simply tweak the existing dialog message from an "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm 
afraid I can't do that" message to an OK/Cancel prompt, to which the only dev 
response was to label it "fudging".  Yes, it sort of is, but that's what 
compromise is about, right?

But perhaps a better thing to remember is that when the devs refer to "safe" 
and "unsafe" workflows, I think these are meant to be terms with precise 
technical meanings and NOT a value judgement on whether the person is using 
GIMP "correctly".


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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Ken Warner]

The obvious design that satisfies both groups has been offered several times 
and has been derided as --- I don't know why, although numerous attempts to 
justify the current design has been proffered.

On 9/11/2012 4:52 PM, Ofnuts wrote:

On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote:

Hi
I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the choice in 
the configuration.


Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the same 
Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials work everywhere, and the people 
answering questions in forums don't have to makes guesses about what 
customizations your Gimp has been subjected to (the current situation with 
users split between 2.6 and 2.8 already makes many answers a lot more verbose 
than necessary). And developers tend to make changes around the standard 
version, so your personal config can eventually conflict with a future version.

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[Gimp-user] [Mac] 2.8.2 - UFRAW

[Buadhai]

>Please point me to instructions on how to install the UFRAW plugin for the Mac 
>native version of GIMP (2.8.2).

>I have searched, but everything I find says that UFRAW is included with Mac 
>builds of GIMP. This seems to be true for versions that run under X11, but not 
>for the native build.

Never mind. The build available here:

http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/Download.html

includes UFRAW.

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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Ofnuts]

On 09/11/2012 08:38 AM, maderios wrote:

Hi
I'm not developper but I think it is certainly possible to give the 
choice in the configuration.


Yes, but it's a bad idea. Having all the people using more or less the 
same Gimp is beneficial. The same tutorials work everywhere, and the 
people answering questions in forums don't have to makes guesses about 
what  customizations your Gimp has been subjected to (the current 
situation with users split between 2.6 and 2.8 already makes many 
answers a lot more verbose than necessary). And developers tend to make 
changes around the standard version, so your personal config can 
eventually conflict with a future version.


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[Gimp-user] [Mac] 2.8.2 - UFRAW

[Buadhai]

Please point me to instructions on how to install the UFRAW plugin for the Mac 
native version of GIMP (2.8.2).

I have searched, but everything I find says that UFRAW is included with Mac 
builds of GIMP. This seems to be true for versions that run under X11, but not 
for the native build.

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[Gimp-user] (no subject)

[robert dickinson]

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Re: [Gimp-user] problem with openraster plugin in GIMP 2.8.2

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Nik Omul wrote:

> Is anybody else having the same problem or is it just me?
> Windows, Linux users? Mac OS? GIMP 2.8.2 version only.

GIMP 2.8.2, Linux, 32bit, loads its own ORA files just fine.

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[Gimp-user] about openCL support for GIMP

[Alex Vergara Gil]

- Original Message - 
From: "Alexandre Prokoudine" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] does it use openGL



On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM, vanangamudi wrote:

Gimp use opengl to draw grphics on the screen???


No. Future versions, however, will use OpenCL for hardware
acceleration. This is a work in progress.


Great! Please avoid all the useless discussion about the new save function 
which is meaningless and please focus on this topic that is what I have been 
waiting for to change definitively to GIMP.


Keep the good work!
Alex



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[Gimp-user] problem with openraster plugin in GIMP 2.8.2

[Nik Omul]

GIMP creates a file with .ora extension, but it's, obviously, corrupted -
MyPaint, Krita and GIMP itself 
won't recognize it as such ('unknown file extension' kind of error
messages). 
GIMP 2.8.2, Windows-64bit here. 
My old ORA files created with MyPaint and Krita or 2.6/2.8.0 versions of
GIMP load without problem. 
Plugin itself can be ruled out as a culprit, for I have swapped it around.
Is anybody else having the same problem or is it just me? 
Windows, Linux users? Mac OS? GIMP 2.8.2 version only. 
Any feedback in this regard will be much appreciated.
Thanks,










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Re: [Gimp-user] File format question

[Richard Gitschlag]

Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 19:27:05 +0200
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] File format question
From: psiwea...@gmail.com
To: strata_ran...@hotmail.com



On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Richard Gitschlag  
wrote:



So you know, there are several hundred emails on the mailing list 
discussing the whole save/export change
Guessed as much, but thanks for the facts.

...And most of them, rather predictably, are the complaints.  We have no firm 
statistics on how many peope like it vs. how many don't, but we can definitely 
say that those who do like it are less likely to discuss it on the mailing list.



As 
mentioned in the link (which, hopefully you read, given your tone of 
voice it's hard to be sure),
Yes, yes I did read.



Good, because when you're tossing around words and phrases like "crap", 
"elitist", and "ass backwards", no matter what your intention we do view it 
like (to phrase it bluntly) trolling.  Tone of voice is probably the most 
difficult thing to communicate properly in text form -- choice of words, 
punctuation/timing between sentences, that's all we have to go on and the words 
you chose to use are totally full of unwanted negative baggage.


the problem is that a lot of people lost 
actual time and work on their compositions by saving to a standard file 
format and then quitting GIMP before saving back to their XCF workfile. 
 A related phenomena is that by saving to a standard file format and 
quitting, when GIMP asks to save changes and the user selects "yes" it 
saves changes to the (most recently used) non-XCF file instead of the 
XCK workfile, then it quits like you told it to.

Seriously, that's user error.
 

You're damn straight that it is.  But the ramifications were serious enough, 
and it happened frequently enough, that the developers ruled it was worth a 
paradigm-level design change.  That decision was essentially made 4 or so years 
ago, before either you or I joined the mailing list.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Autoconvert photo files

[Steve Kinney]

On 09/11/2012 07:05 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
> 
>> On a Microsoft platform, you should be able to install Imagemagick
>> in Cygwin - if it's worth the bother.  Since you have a "lof" of
>> files to process, it probably will be.
> 
> Steve,
> 
> This is an overkill. Just install Phatch ;)
> 
> http://photobatch.stani.be/download/index.html

Well dang!  Ya learn something every day...  which is one of the
main reasons I hang out here!

:o)



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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Ken Warner]

That's good news!  I wish that effort all success.

On 9/11/2012 2:49 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote:


If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a
fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image
editor, ...,


No need to. There already is a fork.

https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp

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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Patrick Shanahan]

* maderios  [09-11-12 06:15]:
 ... 
> It's really very simple:
> 
> Photoshop / Saving images
> Save a file
> Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As
> command to save changes to a different file.
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html
> 
> Set file saving preferences
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html#WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7720a

You are absolutely correct.  It is even more simple than you espouse:
*You* are free to use fotoshot and pay the piper.  And you will never
notice another problem with gimp, and we will not have to continually
delete your posts.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Autoconvert photo files

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

> On a Microsoft platform, you should be able to install Imagemagick
> in Cygwin - if it's worth the bother.  Since you have a "lof" of
> files to process, it probably will be.

Steve,

This is an overkill. Just install Phatch ;)

http://photobatch.stani.be/download/index.html

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Re: [Gimp-user] Autoconvert photo files

[Steve Kinney]

On 09/11/2012 05:58 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:55 PM, EyeLand wrote:
>> Hello, how can autoconvert many photo files from eps to jpg with GIMP?
> 
> Mmm... Photo files in EPS? That's a novel thing :)
> 
> Depends of the operating system you are on. Any clues?

On Linux or anything GNU compatible, Imagemagick should do the
trick.  You might also want to make sure that ghostscript is
installed, just in case Imagemagick needs it to read EPS - I'm not
certain as I always seem to already have both installed when things
like this come up.

Once the necessary tools are on boar,d open a terminal in the
directory where the eps files are and do the command:

convert *.eps [name].jpg

Your output files will come out named [name]-0.jpg, [name]-1.jpg,
through [name]-n.jpg.  If the default DPI & compression do not work
for you, check the Imagemagick docs for usage of the -density and
-quality switches.

If managing the file names is a major issue, you might want to use a
"for" script - see sample below - that feeds the files to
Imagemagick one at a time and tells it to name them after the
originals.  (Adapted from another script, not tested, no guarantees!)

On a Microsoft platform, you should be able to install Imagemagick
in Cygwin - if it's worth the bother.  Since you have a "lof" of
files to process, it probably will be.

:o)

Steve


#!/bin/sh
# Requires:  Imagemagick and (maybe) ghostscript.
# To batch convert EPS to JPG, save this text as an .scr
# file, make executable, and run in same directory as files:

for f in *.eps;
do
echo "Processing $f"
convert "$f" "${f%.eps}.jpg"
done


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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[maderios]

On 09/11/2012 11:49 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote:


If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a
fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image
editor, ...,


No need to. There already is a fork.

https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp



Author's blog
"In few words: mainline GIMP is an XCF editor, not an image editor. My 
version is an image editor."

http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/242

Greetings

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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

>> Inkscape does not do this.
>
> Inkscape saves in SVG format.  Lots of luck getting that to display
> in software that expects raster image files.

Moreover, the plan is to stop saving to file formats other than SVG.

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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Steve Kinney]

On 09/11/2012 05:05 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote:
> On 09/11/2012 04:25 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
>> My word processor responds to "control-s" by saving the open
>> document in its own native format, which does not happen to be
>> suitable for distribution to end users. [etc]
> 
> Which word processor might that be?  

Open Office saves to ODT.  If you keep editing and re-saving
documents in an "undocumented" format with Libre Office, eventually
you will encounter a very annoying problem due to progressive
corruption of the internal markup code.

> Inkscape does not do this.  

Inkscape saves in SVG format.  Lots of luck getting that to display
in software that expects raster image files.

> I'm no troll.  I see both sides of the issue.  But don't put out
> stuff that isn't true.  So please, which word processor(s) are you
> talking about?  Which vector editor are you talking about?

No comment, other than "own petard, etc."

/trollfeeding

:o)



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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp-user-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17

[EyeLand]

I have many logo files in eps and I want to convert all in jpg.
MS Windows 7 SP1 x86

2012/9/11 

> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:58:33 +0400
> From: Alexandre Prokoudine 
> To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Autoconvert photo files
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:55 PM, EyeLand wrote:
> > Hello, how can autoconvert many photo files from eps to jpg with GIMP?
>
> Mmm... Photo files in EPS? That's a novel thing :)
>
> Depends of the operating system you are on. Any clues?
>
> Alexandre Prokoudine
> http://libregraphicsworld.org
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[maderios]

On 09/11/2012 11:45 AM, Maarten De Munck wrote:

maderios schreef op di 11-09-2012 om 08:52 [+0200]:


1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it.

The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf
and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We work
indifferently on all file types.


Maybe _you_ do, but I (and at least some other users) make a clear
distinction between XCF, which stores the image and my manipulations on
it (layers, masks, selections), making it possible to change some
operations afterwards (if for example some details are lost in a certain
printing process or if I just change my mind about how the image has to
look in a series or ...) and standard image formats (which only store
the results of these operations).



It's really very simple:

Photoshop / Saving images
Save a file
Use the Save command to save changes to the current file or the Save As 
command to save changes to a different file.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html

Set file saving preferences
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html#WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7720a

Greetings

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Re: [Gimp-user] Autoconvert photo files

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:55 PM, EyeLand wrote:
> Hello, how can autoconvert many photo files from eps to jpg with GIMP?

Mmm... Photo files in EPS? That's a novel thing :)

Depends of the operating system you are on. Any clues?

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[Gimp-user] Autoconvert photo files

[EyeLand]

Hello, how can autoconvert many photo files from eps to jpg with GIMP?
Thank you!
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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Maarten De Munck wrote:

> If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a
> fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image
> editor, ...,

No need to. There already is a fork.

https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp

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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Maarten De Munck]

maderios schreef op di 11-09-2012 om 08:52 [+0200]:

> > 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it.
> The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files: .xcf 
> and others. This does not happen like this in the work. We work 
> indifferently on all file types.

Maybe _you_ do, but I (and at least some other users) make a clear
distinction between XCF, which stores the image and my manipulations on
it (layers, masks, selections), making it possible to change some
operations afterwards (if for example some details are lost in a certain
printing process or if I just change my mind about how the image has to
look in a series or ...) and standard image formats (which only store
the results of these operations).

This behaviour is exactly the same as your wordprocessor refusing to
save to PDF. PDF (like standard image types) is absolutely perfect for
distribution, but I suppose you too don't save longer texts to PDF while
working on them? I agree that for some small documents that I just want
to archive, I remove the original word processor file afterwards, and I
do that for some XCF files too. 

It's a little overhead for small changes to an image, but a real
improvement for the images you are really working on. I know that in
previous versions it was possible to use the "Save a copy" function
(which I used), but the new behaviour makes it impossible to make a
mistake while saving (making you lose all operations without warning
you). So from now on, I can concentrate on the image, without worrying
about saving "the right way".

If you are really really annoyed by this behaviour, use 2.6, start a
fork, ask/pay someone to start a fork for you, use another image
editor, ..., but please stop spamming this otherwise very useful mailing
list. Everybody knows you and some other users don't like it, everybody
knows some users (including me) do like it and the developers clearly
explained the research and the reasons for this decision.

Best regards,

Maarten

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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM, maderios wrote:

> arbitrary = "depending on individual discretion"
>
> It's the case... Developers know their job developers. They do not
> listen to what happens on the side of people who work with images.

The problem is not about us allegedly not listening. The problem is
that _you_ don't find it necessary to sit down and listen to _us_ for
just one minute.

The decision was made in 2009 after discussions in our mailing lists
and on IRC. It's based on analysis of what the target audience needs.
You do not have to agree with the result, but repeatedly suggesting
that no users were consulted is plain wrong. I would appreciate if you
stopped doing that.

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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Daniel Hauck]

On 09/11/2012 04:25 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
My word processor responds to "control-s" by saving the open document 
in its own native format, which does not happen to be suitable for 
distribution to end users. My audio editor does the same thing. My 
video editors do the same thing. My vector editor does the same thing. 
The difference between "saving" work in progress while using a 
specific tool, and "exporting" data files for distribution to the 
great unwashed public, is not something that was arbitrarily made up 
by GIMP developers. It is a basic fact o' life for those who work with 
digital media of any kind. Yeah I know, responding to this subject is 
a clear cut case of feeding teh trollz - but see earlier posts for 
adequate excuses, and at least I am in good company. :o) Steve


Which word processor might that be?  The MS Office versions I have used 
do not behave this way.  LibreOffice most certainly does not behave this 
way.  If you open a file in .DOCX format, ctrl-S will save in that 
format.  Inkscape does not do this.  My wife's Photoshop and Illustrator 
do not do this.  (If the latest version of Adobe software does this, I 
wouldn't know.  We don't have the latest.)


I'm no troll.  I see both sides of the issue.  But don't put out stuff 
that isn't true.  So please, which word processor(s) are you talking 
about?  Which vector editor are you talking about?


As for video editors?  Video editors, by their very nature must export 
output but only saves a project file.  They do not (or should not) 
include the source video files in them as the file sizes would be 
prohibitive.


Audio editors?  I wouldn't know.  My last experience with an audio 
editor was decades ago, but Goldwave back in the day could save as any 
format it supported.


GiMP gave users a choice of Windowing style.  That was wonderful. They 
didn't pick a side on the issue at all.  Some like a single window.  
Others like multiple.  They said "here! now it's a mode switch! do it 
the way you like it!"  Why didn't they do it like that with save/export?



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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Magazine - Issue 1 Now Available

[Steve Kinney]

On 09/10/2012 11:10 PM, Steve Czajka wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The wait is over! GIMP Magazine has launched.
> 
> GIMP Magazine - Issue 1
> 
> 
> 
> Download it at http://gimpmagazine.org/issue1
> 
> Thanks
> The GIMP Magazine Team!
> 
> P.S. GIMP Magazine was downloaded over 10,000 times within the first
> 24 hours! 

I tripped over it yesterday while looking for a specific GIMP
tutorial - the search engines like GIMP Magazine.

So do I!  Congratulations and keep up the good work.

:o)

Steve



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Re: [Gimp-user] About great new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Michael Schumacher]

> Von: Kevin Brubeck Unhammer 
 
> I wish it were possible to get a spam filter for vicious ad hominem
> attacks, false sense of entitlement, and the flogging of dead horses …
> Does the mailing list software at least have some way of "closing"
> threads, perhaps with some standard reply? Perhaps they could be
> referred to alt.troll.gimp or something.

There are some filters, but I guess any means of automated filtering would 
cause too many false positives.

I guess we should do what has been requested by readers during other 
unproductive discussions in the past: if it becomes obvious that some people 
just want to cause disruption, unsubscribe them quietly.


Regards,
Michael
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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Steve Kinney]

On 09/11/2012 03:56 AM, maderios wrote:

> It's the case... Developers know their job developers. They do not
> listen to what happens on the side of people who work with images.

The GIMP development team is not a bunch of people hired from an
employment agency.  Most of them have already forgotten more about
image editing, in the sense of production work, than I will ever
know - I am certain of that, because they have to deal with atypical
"edge cases" that I never see.

They understand my workflow as a designer and all around graphics
production geek better than you do - as demonstrated in the case at
hand, where they decided to build part of my normal workflow into
the program's user interface as its default behavior.

My word processor responds to "control-s" by saving the open
document in its own native format, which does not happen to be
suitable for distribution to end users.  My audio editor does the
same thing.  My video editors do the same thing.  My vector editor
does the same thing.  The difference between "saving" work in
progress while using a specific tool, and "exporting" data files for
distribution to the great unwashed public, is not something that was
arbitrarily made up by GIMP developers.  It is a basic fact o' life
for those who work with digital media of any kind.

Yeah I know, responding to this subject is a clear cut case of
feeding teh trollz - but see earlier posts for adequate excuses, and
at least I am in good company.

:o)

Steve


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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[maderios]

On 09/11/2012 09:29 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, maderios wrote:


Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks...


Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "arbitrary"?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary


arbitrary = "depending on individual discretion"

It's the case... Developers know their job developers. They do not 
listen to what happens on the side of people who work with images.
They stay with their own "arbitrary" ideas. This vertical organization 
is a general problem in the world.


Greetings
--
Maderios


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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, maderios wrote:

> Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks...

Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "arbitrary"?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbitrary

The distinction isn't arbitrary. It's a design decision.

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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[Gimp-user] GIMP Magazine - Issue 1 Now Available

[Steve Czajka]

Hi,
The wait is over! GIMP Magazine has launched.

Download it at http://gimpmagazine.org/issue1ThanksThe GIMP Magazine Team!P.S. 
GIMP Magazine was downloaded over 10,000 times within the first 24 hours! 
 
 

 
You should check out my blog at www.steveczajka.posterous.com or follow me on 
twitter at http://twitter.com/steveczajka
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[maderios]

On 09/11/2012 09:01 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:


May I ask why you keep making incorrect statements for which you
apologize later anyway?



Hi
Reread what I wrote above. Do not distort what I meant. Thanks...

Greetings

--
Maderios


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Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM, maderios wrote:

>> 1. This change doesn't remove functionality. It only moves it.
>
> The problem is that gimp arbitrarily separates the types of files

Not arbitrarily, but on purpose and by design.

May I ask why you keep making incorrect statements for which you
apologize later anyway?

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org
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