[GO] BD:Violets: Drains and sanitation
I pickedup in a second hand bookshop a book on How To Keep House, by Mrs C S Peel, dated 1902, which contains some comments on health care and prevention of illness, including the importance of your drains, which I thought might be of interest: Everyone will agree that it is more important for a house to be sanitary than to be beautiful ... for upon this depends our health, our comfort, and our very lives... No sewgae system has been devised which is not apt to get out of order at some time. Smells are usually the first sign of such derangement, but not invariably so. Sore throats are a furtehr and more unpleasant item of evidence, while blood-poisoning and typhoid are the worst... It is only of late years that it has been fully recognised how much sunlight affects our health, not only by the vigour that it gives to our persons, but by destroying the germs of disease that are everywhere abroad. It is therefore necessary to have as much light in all parts of our houses as possible, and to avoid keeping out the beneficial rays of the sun by heavy curtains and thick window blinds... As with light so also with air... all windows, both in bed and sitting rooms, should be open for as long a time as possible every day... In the case of infectious diseases... proper precautionary measures shpuld be taken to prevent the spread of the disease among the unaffected inmates... Disnifecting after the illness is over is now usually done by the sanitary authority; but all wall-papers in the infected houses must be carefully stripped, and not covered up by new ones... Lastly, it is of the greatest imposrtance to see that the servants are housed among sanitary surroundings; for, having been accustomed to a less hygienic mode of living at home, they are apt to ignore some of the simple but highly important rules of health. Their rooms should be properly ventilated, even against their will, and it should be seen to that their quarters are kept as clean, dry, light and fresh as the other portions of the house. At the end among the advertisements for other books is one entitled From Cradle To School, by Mrs Ada S Ballin, which is described as An indepensable manual for mothers, dealing with questions of their own health and the health management and up-bringing of their children. It dealt with subjects including vaccination and sickness, and quoted reviews call it quite a blessing to mothers, and say No mother and no nurse should be without it. Lisa S -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Sick fathers
Wasn't Mr Atherton in HGD another PTSD-esque sufferer? I think traditionally it's been more likely for mothers to be sick because that can be romantic (within the genre!), and it's OK for a woman to be ill on a couch, but men (even when they're absent father types) have to be manly and well and capable of supporting their families. I think when fathers are ill in books it uually follows that the family is in financial crisis because the man of the house can't support them - isn't that why Gwen has to go back home in MT? Liss _ Vote in the Chalet School Fanfiction Awards! http://www.chaletian.co.uk/awards/ -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Buffy Jonathan Patrick
I recently bought a whole load of Buffy DVDs, including series 2 and 3, which I haven't really seen since they were originally on BBC2, and I was surprised at how often Jonathan was actually around. Yes, he was only a proper character in the eps already mentioned, but he's actually floating around having the occasional line in quite a number of eps. But then, he's such a sweetie! Returning to someone's point about the similarities between Angel and Patrick, having just read *Peter's Room* (which I absolutely loved) I thought it was really interesting to read about Patrick's views on courage etc, and how he thought ?Rupert would give in to the threat of torture. Are there any other books in which AF further explores this 'moral ambiguity'? Liss Vote in the Chalet School Fanfiction Awards! http://www.chaletian.co.uk/awards/ -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Ah, I love the smell of controversy in the morning...
Not that this whole Bush-liberals-grr-tra-la-la thing isn't hugely amusing, but, speaking as one lone GOer, can't people give it a rest? It's not even debate anymore, it's just people ranting at each other. Liss _ Vote in the Chalet School Fanfiction Awards! http://www.chaletian.co.uk/awards/ -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] ADMIN: new Admin Address
Since the server is rejecting the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address, I have set up another -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone wanting specifically me should use the new one. Helen -- Helen_A -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] ADMIN: moderation
Do you know that when I announced the moderation policy I seriously thought it might never be invoked! Please address all questions about the moderation policy to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (This will include all admins) All discussion of the US elections should cease now. Claire's unfortunate post to the list will be dealt with off-line. A note of hope...another list I'm on had a similar incident. We are still going two years later. Anita -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Setting the record straight
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], girlsown- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I *had* kind wondered who these 'positive messages' had come from - I was sort of expecting they'd been Handed Down From On High. Well, (on a point of honour, Madam moderator) I was one of those who emailed Eleanor interestedly and supportively (said she, owning up in the best traditions of GO.) I found it interesting and instructive to hear a different political perspective; nearly everyone US I know (outside GO) voted for Kerry. I think it's scary that people - in and outside GO - seem to have stopped being willing to listen to any views other than the ones they hold already. My father used to joke, 'Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up.' Please confuse me with facts, GO. My mind could always do with a little more opening. -- Diane Purkiss -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] BD:Violets: Drains and sanitation
Thanks so much for typing all that out, Lisa - fascinating reading! I loved the bit about forcing servants to open windowns even against their will, you can just imagine a skirmish between mistress and maid. Or, more likely, one wandering around the house opening windows, and the other quietly closing them. Natasha - Original Message - From: Lisa Spurrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: [GO] BD:Violets: Drains and sanitation I pickedup in a second hand bookshop a book on How To Keep House, by Mrs C S Peel, dated 1902, which contains some comments on health care and prevention of illness, including the importance of your drains, which I thought might be of interest: Everyone will agree that it is more important for a house to be sanitary than to be beautiful ... for upon this depends our health, our comfort, and our very lives... No sewgae system has been devised which is not apt to get out of order at some time. Smells are usually the first sign of such derangement, but not invariably so. Sore throats are a furtehr and more unpleasant item of evidence, while blood-poisoning and typhoid are the worst... It is only of late years that it has been fully recognised how much sunlight affects our health, not only by the vigour that it gives to our persons, but by destroying the germs of disease that are everywhere abroad. It is therefore necessary to have as much light in all parts of our houses as possible, and to avoid keeping out the beneficial rays of the sun by heavy curtains and thick window blinds... As with light so also with air... all windows, both in bed and sitting rooms, should be open for as long a time as possible every day... In the case of infectious diseases... proper precautionary measures shpuld be taken to prevent the spread of the disease among the unaffected inmates... Disnifecting after the illness is over is now usually done by the sanitary authority; but all wall-papers in the infected houses must be carefully stripped, and not covered up by new ones... Lastly, it is of the greatest imposrtance to see that the servants are housed among sanitary surroundings; for, having been accustomed to a less hygienic mode of living at home, they are apt to ignore some of the simple but highly important rules of health. Their rooms should be properly ventilated, even against their will, and it should be seen to that their quarters are kept as clean, dry, light and fresh as the other portions of the house. At the end among the advertisements for other books is one entitled From Cradle To School, by Mrs Ada S Ballin, which is described as An indepensable manual for mothers, dealing with questions of their own health and the health management and up-bringing of their children. It dealt with subjects including vaccination and sickness, and quoted reviews call it quite a blessing to mothers, and say No mother and no nurse should be without it. Lisa S -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Sorry
I am writing to apologize for inadvertently sending personal correspondence to The List. I am sincerely sorry. It was an accident. Claire -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] BD:Violets: Disability in EBD pt.1
This isn't due till tomorrow, but my internet connection has been playing up and I;m off to work early, so I'm going to post it now in the hope it will arrive, or that I can keep trying if it doesn't - hope that's ok, I suppose everyone can just not read it till tomorrow - assuming they can cope with the excitement...g Lisa. * Disability in EBD: Living Saints or Heretical Sinners? Physical appearance is extremely important in the world of the chalet school; heroines are invariably 'trig', 'trim', 'fresh', with 'clear-cut features' and 'fine skin', and many have even 'fairy-tale beauty'. Attractiveness is clearly associated with goodness in Elinor Brent Dyer's world (1), and healthy living (routine, plenty of sleep, fresh milk and exercise) is what causes this attractiveness. Thus Lavender Leigh's looks as well as her temperament improve under the chalet school regime, and even Joey outgrows her earlier delicacy, marked by 'sallowness' and becomes attractive, with fine skin and clear eyes. The linkage between physical perfection and inherent goodness is constantly emphasized; but what happens when a character is not only not on this high level, but is even disabled physically in some way? How does such a character fit into EBD's world view? There are two main examples of such a situation, first the case of Phoebe Wychcote (later Peters), and secondly that of Naomi Elton, both of which are handled in very different ways. I will analyse each individually and then try and make some general remarks about EBD's attitude to disability. The portrayal of Phoebe Wychcote, is one of an almost saintly invalid battling against great hardship, whose physical imperfection is balanced by her spiritual beauty, a depiction which is highlighted and strengthened by contrast with improbably named villainess of the book, Zephyr Burthill. Phoebe Wychcote is first introduced in Jo to the Rescue. In this book, Jo, Marie, Frieda and Simone and their young families spend a summer in a cottage opposite Phoebe's own in a village named Garnham. Phoebe herself is an invalid, as a result of rheumatic fever when she was twelve years old. This illness has left her confined to a wheelchair for the most part, although on good days she can hobble around on crutches, and in severe pain in her joints, particularly in her hands, when attacks recur. Despite this difficulty, Phoebe works to supplement her meagre income by making and selling beautiful embroidery. The pathos of the depiction is deepened by the fact that she is alone in the world, her father, a cellist, having died some eighteen months earlier, and her mother when Phoebe was only a baby of six months. Phoebe is cared for by her aged nurse, Debby, but has little other companionship at all, apart from the friendship of Reg Entwhistle, a young village lad. Thus her physical isolation is heightened by a spiritual and intellectual loneliness. It is into this scene that Joey Maynard enters. The first thing the reader learns about Phoebe is that she is frustrated by her own helplessness; as the visitors are arriving at the cottage, she is sitting knitting inside her own cottage and exclaims, Oh, if only I could get out to see them! and finishes with a sigh and an impatient glance round. Despite this frustration, she is determined not to be 'selfish', a resolution engendered as a result of seeing another disabled woman who was extremely egocentric. She tells Reg in the first chapter: It's awfully easy to be selfish when you're a cripple, Reg. Ever since I was at that hydro and saw that poor Miss Emery, I've tried so hard not to get like her. She didn't mean it, but she was horribly selfish. She wanted everything she could have for herself, and she never thought of anyone else. I should hate to get like that. And father would have hated it for me. This determination not to be self-centred, despite her dependency on others, is a key factor in EBD's portrayal of Phoebe, whose selflessness is portrayed almost as martyrdom in places. We are told that there was real heroism in the way she tried to overcome her difficulties, as she struggles to work, even when it was torture to hold her needle and the material. Such behaviour is contrasted directly with Zephyr Burthill, who is physically faultless, but whose character leaves much to be desired. Zephyr 's first arrival is described as follows: Out stepped a Vision. She was tall and very slim, clad in the latest freak of fashion, a tiny hat perched on top of a head where the light flaxen hair had been swept up in stiff curls. The look is completed by clothes 'in the very latest mode' and heavy make-up [2]. This 'Vision' of physical perfection is also an extreme of selfishness, however, thinks only of herself: Her chief god was Zephyr Burthill. Wealth came second. Nothing else mattered, and this egoism is symbolized and exemplified in her desire to own Phoebe's father's cello,
[GO] BD:Violets: Disability in EBD pt.3 (final part!)
Having ensured that Naomi is spiritually healed, EBD can now allow her to bephysically healed as well. After the St. Mildred's pantomime Naomi isdriven home by one of the young doctors in his 'motorcycle combination', buthe skids as he drives and Naomi is injured. A long and difficult operationis performed, which must be undertaken at once if Naomi is to live. Thereader also learns that if Naomi does recover, her lameness and twistedspine will be cured.For some time it is unclear whether Naomi will survive, and once again thegirls' religious commitment is demonstrated, as they pray for her recovery.Their generosity of spirit is notable, for they seem very affected by thenear-tragedy, despite the fact that Naomi is hardly one of the most populargirls. This is reflected in their gathering a collection so that updates onNaomi's condition can be put into The Times throughout the holiday. Thegirls seem genuinely to care very much for Naomi, and to be delighted thatshe will not only recover but also be "more or less alright" as Mary-Louputs it. In the world of the Chalet School, this sense of caring for amember of the community is depicted as an essential element of a healthysoul, and is clearly meant to contrast with Naomi's former egocentric viewof the world.In Ruey Richardson at the Chalet School this is stated clearly, once againin connection with Naomi. She is still recovering in this book, but suffersa setback in this book, and once again her life is in danger, a fact whichcauses the whole school to unite in prayer and concern. Ruey contraststhis with her own experience from her high school:"Well, this girls Naomi What's-her-name. From what you all say she wasn'tat school for more than one term and then she was awfully queer and didn'tfit in, except just at the end. Yet you all think so fearfully much abouther pulling through this illness - well, I do myself! - and I can't seewhy..Girls at the High used to be ill sometimes. I remember one was awfullycrocked up in a motor smash but no one made any fuss about it except herparticular pals. But here, you all seem to act as if she was your specialchum. Why?"Mary-Lou arrives in time to enlighten her on this subject and sets outChalet philosophy, explaining that two things matter even more than lessonsat the school; one is the girls' health, and the other is their havinghealthy characters, and that this goes deeper than at other schools: "Herewe learn to help other people and to understand them as far as possible -learn what makes them tick over". Naomi is then cited as an example ofthis. Mary-Lou tells Ruey of Naomi's troubles, explaining that she'd had anaccident, which twisted 'her soul' as well as her body, and in which herparents had been killed. "The worst thing of the lot" however, is that"Naomi had nothing to fall back on" since her parents were agnostics, and asa consequence she had no religion, and either believed that there was noGod, or if there was, "he just didn't care", an attitude Mary-Lou dismissesas "all poppycock, of course", but then adds, "but can you wonder that whenshe thought like that her mind was in as bad a mess as her body?"Here the case is set out plainly; EBD does not dismiss the problems ofphysical disability, but to her they are relatively unimportant whencompared to the issue of spiritual health. Phoebe Wychcote suffersphysically, but is spiritually strong and healthy. She is selfless,concerned only with making the best of her situation and not being a burdenupon others. Such a person is rewarded with a romantic fairytale ending, asshe is engaged to her own particular Prince Charming. Naomi Elton,however, has been weak enough to let her disability affect her mind andsoul, and must be cured of this mental twisting before she can receive thephysical straightening which will be her reward.It is also an essential point that both characters suffer from isolation, inPhoebe's case through no fault of her own, but in Naomi's through her ownself-imposed mental barriers, and the removal of this isolation is part ofthe rehabilitation process for both. As a result of the selflessfriendships of Joey and Mary-Lou, both are able to return to their rightfulplaces in society, as Phoebe begins to live a normal life and marries [9],while Naomi returns to religion and Christian society. To EBD, if one wantsto share in society and receive of its benefits, one must contribute to, andbe a member of that society [10]. Since the importance of spiritualstrength is emphasised at the expense of physical incapacity, no one isexcluded from participation in society. Whatever one's physical condition,it is possible to be a good and selfless person, whose moral uprightness isin itself a contribution to the community. Thus, the portrayal of physicaldisability in EBD must be seen in the context of communal responsibility, avital concept in the ideal community of the Chalet School.Endnotes[1]
[GO] BD:Violets: Disability in EBD pt.3 (final part!)
Having ensured that Naomi is spiritually healed, EBD can now allow her to be physically healed as well. After the St. Mildred's pantomime Naomi is driven home by one of the young doctors in his 'motorcycle combination', but he skids as he drives and Naomi is injured. A long and difficult operation is performed, which must be undertaken at once if Naomi is to live. The reader also learns that if Naomi does recover, her lameness and twisted spine will be cured. For some time it is unclear whether Naomi will survive, and once again the girls' religious commitment is demonstrated, as they pray for her recovery. Their generosity of spirit is notable, for they seem very affected by the near-tragedy, despite the fact that Naomi is hardly one of the most popular girls. This is reflected in their gathering a collection so that updates on Naomi's condition can be put into The Times throughout the holiday. The girls seem genuinely to care very much for Naomi, and to be delighted that she will not only recover but also be more or less alright as Mary-Lou puts it. In the world of the Chalet School, this sense of caring for a member of the community is depicted as an essential element of a healthy soul, and is clearly meant to contrast with Naomi's former egocentric view of the world. In Ruey Richardson at the Chalet School this is stated clearly, once again in connection with Naomi. She is still recovering in this book, but suffers a setback in this book, and once again her life is in danger, a fact which causes the whole school to unite in prayer and concern. Ruey contrasts this with her own experience from her high school: Well, this girls Naomi What's-her-name. From what you all say she wasn't at school for more than one term and then she was awfully queer and didn't fit in, except just at the end. Yet you all think so fearfully much about her pulling through this illness - well, I do myself! - and I can't see why..Girls at the High used to be ill sometimes. I remember one was awfully crocked up in a motor smash but no one made any fuss about it except her particular pals. But here, you all seem to act as if she was your special chum. Why? Mary-Lou arrives in time to enlighten her on this subject and sets out Chalet philosophy, explaining that two things matter even more than lessons at the school; one is the girls' health, and the other is their having healthy characters, and that this goes deeper than at other schools: Here we learn to help other people and to understand them as far as possible - learn what makes them tick over. Naomi is then cited as an example of this. Mary-Lou tells Ruey of Naomi's troubles, explaining that she'd had an accident, which twisted 'her soul' as well as her body, and in which her parents had been killed. The worst thing of the lot however, is that Naomi had nothing to fall back on since her parents were agnostics, and as a consequence she had no religion, and either believed that there was no God, or if there was, he just didn't care, an attitude Mary-Lou dismisses as all poppycock, of course, but then adds, but can you wonder that when she thought like that her mind was in as bad a mess as her body? Here the case is set out plainly; EBD does not dismiss the problems of physical disability, but to her they are relatively unimportant when compared to the issue of spiritual health. Phoebe Wychcote suffers physically, but is spiritually strong and healthy. She is selfless, concerned only with making the best of her situation and not being a burden upon others. Such a person is rewarded with a romantic fairytale ending, as she is engaged to her own particular Prince Charming. Naomi Elton, however, has been weak enough to let her disability affect her mind and soul, and must be cured of this mental twisting before she can receive the physical straightening which will be her reward. It is also an essential point that both characters suffer from isolation, in Phoebe's case through no fault of her own, but in Naomi's through her own self-imposed mental barriers, and the removal of this isolation is part of the rehabilitation process for both. As a result of the selfless friendships of Joey and Mary-Lou, both are able to return to their rightful places in society, as Phoebe begins to live a normal life and marries [9], while Naomi returns to religion and Christian society. To EBD, if one wants to share in society and receive of its benefits, one must contribute to, and be a member of that society [10]. Since the importance of spiritual strength is emphasised at the expense of physical incapacity, no one is excluded from participation in society. Whatever one's physical condition, it is possible to be a good and selfless person, whose moral uprightness is in itself a contribution to the community. Thus, the portrayal of physical disability in EBD must be seen in the context of communal responsibility, a vital concept in the ideal community of the Chalet
[GO] confusion - multiple posts in various formats
Many apologies for the fact that my posts seem to have come through in html - and more than once from what I am receiving in my inbox. According to my outbox, they were sent once each and in plain text, but that's certainly not what I received - I have no idea why!!! Please forgive the gremlin attack. Lisa (if anyone does know what happened, I'd love to know as well - any ideas?) -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Unfairness in AF
Janice said: I found the unfairness of the court of honour distressing in Autumn Term. I think it was one of the first books i'd read where things didn't come right in the end. Mostly I still miss out on the whole rickyard/court of honour when I reread. I am not keen on that bit either. In fact, most of Lois's little tricks make my blood boil. I often wish Janice, Rowan or Ann would tell the Authorities what is really going on (and they both have opportunities to do so), but of course, that would be Sneaking... What is even more unfair, IMO, is in Attic Term when Nicola is punished like Ginty for a much smaller offence. Nicola and Lawrie are surprisingly reasonable about the number of unfair black marks set against them. I feel that in real life, most kids would make more of an attempt to prove that they were innocent or at least not that guilty, especially over the whole hike thing. Adeline -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] list archives turning up on google - FAO Admin
I just did a google search for 'girlsown archives' to find the page to do some catching up, and am rather worried to find the following page come up 6th on my list of hits: http://www.mail-archive.com/girlsown@home.it.net.au/msg00026.html This is a message from Natasha, sent to Girlsown last week. Lots of the archives are available on this mail-archive.com website. Why is this happening, and can this be stopped? Helen V. ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] BD:Violets: Drains and sanitation
I pickedup in a second hand bookshop a book on How To Keep House, by Mrs C S Peel, dated 1902, which contains some comments on health care and prevention of illness, including the importance of your drains, which I thought might be of interest: Everyone will agree that it is more important for a house to be sanitary than to be beautiful ... for upon this depends our health, our comfort, and our very lives... No sewgae system has been devised which is not apt to get out of order at some time. Smells are usually the first sign of such derangement, but not invariably so. Sore throats are a furtehr and more unpleasant item of evidence, while blood-poisoning and typhoid are the worst... It is only of late years that it has been fully recognised how much sunlight affects our health, not only by the vigour that it gives to our persons, but by destroying the germs of disease that are everywhere abroad. It is therefore necessary to have as much light in all parts of our houses as possible, and to avoid keeping out the beneficial rays of the sun by heavy curtains and thick window blinds... As with light so also with air... all windows, both in bed and sitting rooms, should be open for as long a time as possible every day... In the case of infectious diseases... proper precautionary measures shpuld be taken to prevent the spread of the disease among the unaffected inmates... Disnifecting after the illness is over is now usually done by the sanitary authority; but all wall-papers in the infected houses must be carefully stripped, and not covered up by new ones... Lastly, it is of the greatest imposrtance to see that the servants are housed among sanitary surroundings; for, having been accustomed to a less hygienic mode of living at home, they are apt to ignore some of the simple but highly important rules of health. Their rooms should be properly ventilated, even against their will, and it should be seen to that their quarters are kept as clean, dry, light and fresh as the other portions of the house. At the end among the advertisements for other books is one entitled From Cradle To School, by Mrs Ada S Ballin, which is described as An indepensable manual for mothers, dealing with questions of their own health and the health management and up-bringing of their children. It dealt with subjects including vaccination and sickness, and quoted reviews call it quite a blessing to mothers, and say No mother and no nurse should be without it. Lisa S -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] list archives turning up on google - FAO Admin
I assume this is to do with the archiving feature Anita turned on recently. Bettina I just did a google search for 'girlsown archives' to find the page to do some catching up, and am rather worried to find the following page come up 6th on my list of hits: http://www.mail-archive.com/girlsown@home.it.net.au/msg00026.html This is a message from Natasha, sent to Girlsown last week. Lots of the archives are available on this mail-archive.com website. Why is this happening, and can this be stopped? Helen V. -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] CS girl in Trouble Newly Wed
Natasha said - I read a fanfic on the Chaletian bulletin board about a Chalet Girl In Trouble last Sunday, and I cried at the end of that. It was very good, in case the author is on the list! I would like to endorse this as well. I thought was fantastic, so true to EBD, yet so completely uniquely Lisa's as well. I will be looking forward to her filler, Helen's was pretty good, so if Lisa's fanfic is anything to go by it should be even better (if that is possible). Another excellent one is 'Newly Wed' by Angel. This had me weeping as well, though it's a completely different style - so if you don't want to read anything unEBD then I wouldn't bother. And I don't mean that controversially, I simply mean that the style of story is not EBD. In some ways that is what makes it good, the way it has been set out. Look you all might as well give it a go, at least then you can see what I mean. Take care, Sera x -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] list archives turning up on google - FAO Admin
But it did go on the list, didn't it? Sorry if I sent it to the wrong address - but I am sure I remember Jo replying to thank me, so she at least read it. Unless I copied her in... Natasha - Original Message - From: H V [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [GO] list archives turning up on google - FAO Admin So I see. I hope everyone realises that this list is now fully accessible by any random member of the great public out there. See the faq at http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html Helen V. --- Bettina Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume this is to do with the archiving feature Anita turned on recently. Bettina I just did a google search for 'girlsown archives' to find the page to do some catching up, and am rather worried to find the following page come up 6th on my list of hits: http://www.mail-archive.com/girlsown@home.it.net.au/msg00026.html This is a message from Natasha, sent to Girlsown last week. Lots of the archives are available on this mail-archive.com website. Why is this happening, and can this be stopped? Helen V. ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] BD:Violets: Drains and sanitation
Barbara Dryden wrote: The conflict between a middle/upper class link between fresh air and health and the lower orders' belief that night air will kill you seems eternal. In Elizabeth von Arnim's books (the German ones) there is a lot about the stupid peasants sealing themselves into their houses and sewing their children into their clothes while Elizabeth believes the children would be healthier if they got some fresh air. Not only class but geograpical/climatical differences. When you live in a cold climate you can't sleep with open windows for most part of the year - you need to keep the rooms warm. Even upper classes in Sweden in earlier days - mostly living in wooden houses - had double glazing inserted in the autumn and the whole windows sealed up for the winter. The rooms were aired for spring cleaning. I'm not sure about the winter temperatures in the Alpes, but I guess that that open dormitory windows might not have been advisable in practice other than for short periods each day. Sleeping in very cold air is not very healthy, not even if you don't suffer from asthma or similar troubles. I haven't read von Arnim, but I have a feeling that neither she nor EBD had much understanding of the traditional ways of Continental - or even British - peasants to adapt to climate and living conditions. I've never heard about children being sewed into their clothes in Sweden, but poor people didn't have many changes a hundred years ago. Eva Margareta, waiting for the approaching winter and hoping we won't get any temperatures below -10 this season. -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] BD:Violets: Drains and sanitation
- Original Message - From: Eva M. Löfgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Girlsown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: [GO] BD:Violets: Drains and sanitation Barbara Dryden wrote: The conflict between a middle/upper class link between fresh air and health and the lower orders' belief that night air will kill you seems eternal. In Elizabeth von Arnim's books (the German ones) there is a lot about the stupid peasants sealing themselves into their houses and sewing their children into their clothes while Elizabeth believes the children would be healthier if they got some fresh air. Not only class but geograpical/climatical differences. When you live in a cold climate you can't sleep with open windows for most part of the year - you need to keep the rooms warm. Yes indeed - geography is certainly important. When they get malaria in Little House on the Prairie, it is blamed on the night air and it you live in a mosquito ridden swamp (as many people still do), then keeping your windows closed is probably quite sensible (as well as having all the netting). I don't know about Real Life, but in the dramatised versions of Elizabeth Barrett Browning's life, there are always scenes where she begs to be allowed to open the windows and the nurse compromises with opening the bedroom door. So maybe it wasn't just The Poor who were prejudiced against the night air. And perhaps poor people houses didn't have very well-fitting windows anyway so there may have been enough natural drafts. Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] list archives turning up on google - FAO Admin
Is this a major issue? I don't think I post anything I mind being in the public domain. If I minded I wouldn't post it to a mailing list. Heather So I see. I hope everyone realises that this list is now fully accessible by any random member of the great public out there. See the faq at http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html Helen V. --- Bettina Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume this is to do with the archiving feature Anita turned on recently. Bettina I just did a google search for 'girlsown archives' to find the page to do some catching up, and am rather worried to find the following page come up 6th on my list of hits: http://www.mail-archive.com/girlsown@home.it.net.au/msg00026.html This is a message from Natasha, sent to Girlsown last week. Lots of the archives are available on this mail-archive.com website. Why is this happening, and can this be stopped? Helen V. ___ Win a castle for NYE with your mates and Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
RE: [GO] list archives turning up on google - FAO Admin
Emma said This is the message that Anita announces it. She doesn't mention that it will therefore be Googleable. The archives don't show email addresses, Okay, afraid you're wrong. At the bottom of each post on the mail-archive site there is a nice big button that says 'Reply by email to NAME' (or poster) and when you click it it opens the email browser with the poster's personal email address in the 'to' box and to be honest, I'm fine with that, and prefer the ability to search for keywords, rather than having to guess the right month/ poster/ email's subject . However, I suspect that this is the sort of thing that can't be a majority vote, as I suspect that those who prefer to maintain privacy have stronger feelings about it, It's not just about privacy, though that is an issue for some people. It's about email addresses being made available to spammers etc. It's something I've never suffered from because I don't have my email address posted anywhere and I don't want to start now. More than anything I object to (am furious about?) the fact that this has been done without our being told. Anita's message says nothing about public availability. I for one won't be posting again NickyW -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: Re: [GO] list archives turning up on google - FAO Admin
Just for the sake of completeness, I just googled my name and girlsown archive. And yes it found a post I sent. So for so good. Not a problem. Then I noticed that at the bottom of the page was an option to reply via email the writer of the message. When I clicked on the email button, my special secret GO email address came up all nicely posted into the To box in Outlook. I'm not sure that this is such a good idea - the thought of all those spammers out there getting my email address has me wibbling. Can the bit which includes our email addresses be turned off? Cheers Di Emma DW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The archives don't show email addresses, and to be honest, I'm fine with that, and prefer the ability to search for keywords, rather than having to guess the right month/ poster/ email's subject . -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
