es, servers, and bandwidth all have to be paid for. And yes, "fat
salaries" will be paid to "FSF crooks", such as sys-admins,
administrative staff, and so on. Few, if any, of these "FSF crooks" will
be writing code for a GNU project.
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Jose E. Marchesi wrote:
>
> Hi gnudists!
> Just subscribed :D
Hi to you, too! I'm afraid there's not much going on here at the moment,
but you're welcome nevertheless.
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t person to dream up schemes like this, not by a long
way. So far, none of them have come to anything. That might be a guide
to the answers to your questions.
Why don't you just avoid GPL'd works altogether? There's plenty of
imprisonable software available with licenses like the BSDs
Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [...]
> Hey Alan, on a side note, do you recall our controversy regarding
> Stuttgart 21?
Yes, though the controversy is hardly our property - it belongs to entire
Baden Wuerttemberg. I live in Nuremberg, not Boeblingen.
Would that be GNU/Linux or Android or something
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Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Hi, Alex!
>> Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>> > Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> > [... S21 ...]
>> >> I'd say about 50-50. Incidentally, are you aware that Deutsche Bahn
>> >> (German
Hi, Alex!
Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [... S21 ...]
>> I'd say about 50-50. Incidentally, are you aware that Deutsche Bahn
>> (German Railways) have put the project on hold for now?
> That was done to limit the amount of monetary damages
Hi, Alex.
Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [... S21 ...]
>> I'd say about 50-50. Incidentally, are you aware that Deutsche Bahn
>> (German Railways) have put the project on hold for now?
> That was done to limit the amount of monetary damages
Hi, Alex.
Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Hey Mackenzie,
That's Mr. Mackenzie to you, Sunshine.
> Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> [...]
>> > You agree with what you like, Alex. I have talked extensively with
>> > eye-witnesses, i
In gnu.misc.discuss RJack wrote:
> On 1/11/2011 5:41 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Why do you think it is that BSD Unix has not held its own in
>> competition with GNU/Linux?
> One acronym: IBM.
> IBM could not successfully compete with Windows NT with their AIX line
>
e, he probably would not have created Linux.[see n.7]"
> http://gondwanaland.com/meta/history/interview.html
> Sincerely,
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(IIRC - Memory is fuzzy
> here).
Thanks for this contribution! As you've discovered, there are some
despicably rude and vulgar posters on this mailing list, whose aim
appears to be to drive out intelligent and pleasant discussion. Sorry
you had to run straight into them.
> Rex Ballard
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Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>> [ snip ]
>> If there was any meaning, any point made in the snipped "material", it
>> totally escapes me. Any chance you might like to restate your point
>> in a conc
Alexander Terekhov wrote:
[ snip ]
If there was any meaning, any point made in the snipped "material", it
totally escapes me. Any chance you might like to restate your point in a
concise and clear paragraph? I'm assuming that you had some point to
make.
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you don't use GPL'd software, why do you
care so much?
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ing protectable code without permission, it is their
> right to sue for copyright infringement of their own code. That sounds
> like great copyright law to me.
What's so great about the registration bit?
> Sincerely,
> RJack :)
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Hyman Rosen wrote:
> On 3/11/2010 3:26 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> In the system I envisage, such wouldn't normally be necessary, except
>> in complicated cases.
> There is already small-claims court for very small cases.
Depends on where you are. But your emphas
Hyman Rosen wrote:
> On 3/10/2010 12:01 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Results should depend only on facts, not presentation.
> Results also depend on written law and case law. Knowing this is the
> job of lawyers.
I take this to be self evident, and not in contradiction with what
Hyman Rosen wrote:
> On 3/10/2010 11:33 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> the complainant sumits his complaint in ordinary English
> You make the same error as those who advocate writing computer programs
> in ordinary English. You need lawyers to handle lawsuits like you need
> pr
would be allowed
here to appeal against the clerk's legal formulation. Should it come to
court, only the established factual questions would need to be resolved.
The cost of the above procedure would be much less than what we currently
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and await it with patience. As it is, you're clearly trying to persuade
yourself. Best of luck with that!
> Sincerely,
> RJack :)
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In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie writes:
>> Quite simply, that it is the GPL itself which is the main reason for
>> the popularity of Linux amongst the people who write it.
> Well, that's half of the story. Linux has been written to supp
In gnu.misc.discuss RJack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> In gnu.misc.discuss RJack wrote:
>>> Once the GPL is invalidated, promissory estoppel will allow some
>>> proprietary company to improve Linux and turn it into a real
>>> operating system. Microso
has a reason.
Working on a BSD kernal is so much less popular than working on Linux.
That has a reason, too.
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RJack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> RJack wrote:
>>> Hyman Rosen wrote:
>>> I've told you a hundred times that the Jacobsen appeals court panel
>>> violated CAFC rules.
>> If you were correct, a single time would suffice.
> With Hyma
rt is the
valid one.
Why can't you simply admit you've been mistaken on this issue for quite a
long time? No shame in that, even the lower court got it wrong to begin
with.
> Sincerely,
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RJack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan is a poet and using poetic license...
I have a good sense of rhythm, balance, and flow, yes. :-)
> Sincerely,
> RJack
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Hyman Rosen wrote:
> On 2/22/2010 1:42 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> What matters is that the terms and conditions in the GPL are legally
>> valid, and have now been tested in an appeals court in the United States
>> of America.
> That was the Artistic License, not the G
hat he's no more
interested in it than the judges were who judged Jacobsen vs. Katzer.
What matters is that the terms and conditions in the GPL are legally
valid, and have now been tested in an appeals court in the United States
of America.
> reg
umerated exclusive rights.
Neither can I, to be honest. But that's mainly because I'm not
interested in the minutiae of a foreign country's somewhat arcane
copyright statutes.
Like I said, you'd be better posting the question on a USA legal forum,
not gnu.mis
In gnu.misc.discuss Hyman Rosen wrote:
> On 2/5/2010 9:18 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Alexander, who pays you to post in this forum, and how much?
> You're being silly. You may as well ask who is paying me to answer him.
No. You're doing something positive. I can und
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [...]
>> No, not really. He's a bright lad, and an Internet search reveals he has
>> at least one bogus patent to his name (something to do with a storage
> Uh, why bogus, Alan?
It's
In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie writes:
>> In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>>> http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/01/28/as-the-gpl-fades/
>>> --
>>> As the GPL fades
>>> Jay Lyman, January 2
fading from favor among commercial open source software
> players...
Alexander, who pays you to post in this forum, and how much?
> regards,
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Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>> > I don't understand your desire to infect separate and independeant
>> > works via static linking and at the same time your desire to not
>> > penetrate the infec
is that supposed to mean?
> Perhaps you should simply stop being intellectually dishonest?
Maybe using standard English, as best you can manage, might help convey
your meaning.
> regards,
> alexander.
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> On 2/3/2010 10:08 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>>> http://iphonedevelopment.blogspot.com/2009/07/gah-up-is-down-right-is-wrong-make-it.html
>> Oh, we are having a wonderful day today, aren't we Alex?
> Terekhov did
iction is a prohibition on adding restrictions.
Alex, you've let yourself get frustrated and angry. What are you doing
in this forum? You're like a communist who's somehow got into an FDP[*]
meeting - you can shout and scream as much as you like, you'll not
convert those present to your way of thinking.
[*] FDP is a German right wing party, currently in the governing
coalition.
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gh static linking/aggregate.
To innocent third parties: this is part of Alex T's FUD. Don't believe
a word of it. Remember, Alex is a software engineer, not a lawyer.
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Antonis Christofides wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:55:59 + (UTC)
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> The "System Libraries" of an executable work include anything,
>> other than the work as a whole, that
>> (a) is included in the normal form of packaging a Major
&
tem Libraries" are defined as being regarded as part "of an
executable work", i.e. part of your program, NOT part of Delphi (the
"major component"). So what it's saying is that if you distribute your
work together with the RTL:
(a) The RTL is normally distributed
In gnu.misc.discuss RJack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> In gnu.misc.discuss RJack wrote:
>>> Hyman Rosen wrote:
>>>> On 1/11/2010 11:34 AM, RJack wrote:
>>>>> U. Doesn't look like Google embraced the GPL to me
>> "Embr
In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup wrote:
The previous post was not from David Kastrup but from a forger. Was it
you, Amicus Curious, or somebody acting for you?
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kernel,
include GNU system software and tools, BSD licensed networking stuff and
MIT licensed X11. In that sense, Android "is" just as much a "Linux" as
Red Hat, or SuSE, or Debian, or Gentoo, or ..
> Sincerely,
> RJack :)
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In gnu.misc.discuss RJack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>> The SFLC's incompetent staff suck handsome salaries out of the
>>> public donations to "defense of Free Software" by the SFLC.
>> That remark comes into the category of libel. Good job
ime of severe
> recession.
That's a bit far fetched, even for you.
> The SFLC's incompetent staff suck handsome salaries out of the public
> donations to "defense of Free Software" by the SFLC.
That remark comes into the category of libel. Good job none of them take
y
In gnu.misc.discuss RJack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> In gnu.misc.discuss RJack wrote:
>>> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> We shall see, in the fullness of time. However, it's not a
>> fraudulent claim. It would appear that busybox's copyright has
In gnu.misc.discuss RJack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> I suggest you email all these lawyers to point out the fraud you
>> allege.
> I am quite busy with grandkids this week but I an aware of other's
> efforts to do that very thing wrt the legal departments o
In gnu.misc.discuss Hadron wrote:
> Didn't Alan boldly claim that the GPL was "easy to understand"?
Yes. The GPL is very easy to understand. It's USA copyright law which
is hard.
The only people who find the GPL hard are those who seek a legal means of
violating
In gnu.misc.discuss RJack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> I'm informed by no less an authority than Rjack himself that it is
>> the person(s) registered as the copyright holder who has the right to
>> sue, not the actual authors.
> Where the fuck did you read such
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote: [...]
>> The complaint you refer to elsewhere states that Erik Andersen is _a_
>> copyright holder, not _the_ copyright holder.
> The copyright registration names only Erik as author and claimant, not
&g
volously and with the intent to harass and intimidate the
> defendants,
There's nothing frivolous about defending the GPL, since it lies at the
heart of how most free software is produced.
> Sincerely,
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> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup wrote:
>>> Most certainly the SFLC does not need to read the outpour of
>>> self-proclaimed legal amateurs in this newsgroup in order to plan their
>>> course of ac
I have worked out the meaning of the phrase "go to doctor", used somewhat
frequently in this mailing list. It has nothing to do with "gotos
considered harmful" or with a learned person. It means, quite simply,
"I have lost this argument", but its etymology is obscu
e the matter of his profession clear in this mailing list.
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Hi, Rjack,
have you had a nice holiday? ;-)
> Sincerely,
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ompetition to lower consumer prices.
That company is Google.
> It's either that or mindlessly continue to develop more anti-capitalist
> software while the status quo rolls on for another decade.
> Sincerely,
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tware, as the Linux project has
done, is hopefully a different matter. At least Linux has big legal guns
behind it, if needed.
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ble - it has been enforced. If he could actually write what he
meant in plain English, in a concise readable fashion, we'd see just how
silly it was.
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In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> My dear Mr. Rjack,
>> please note:
>> In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
>>> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> The following paragraph, originally cited by you, is talking about
>> copying source co
My dear Mr. Rjack,
please note:
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
The following paragraph, originally cited by you, is talking about
copying source code. Note: SOURCE CODE.
>>> "1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's
Morning, Alex!
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> since it was not false. Note that Alex posted it here on this mailing
>> list twice in full without passing any comment on it, or challenging
>> anything said in it.
> Alan jus
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Hah! If they were genuine GPL discussions, they might be on topic,
>> but genuine they are not. You post not to discuss, but to
>> disparage and libel. And since when has this sort of stuff been
>> on-topi
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
>>>>> Pammy never bothers to document her sources concerning her
>>>>> assertion that Terekhov's first sale theory involves
>>>>> &q
ish on each copy an appropriate
> copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the
> notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty;
> and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License
> along with the Program."
Er, wh
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
>>> Groklaw's Pamela Jones, the Sarah Palin of the Software World is at
>>> it again:
>>> "The court quotes from Microsoft Corp. v. Software Wholesale Clu
to
> buy a vowel and try to figure this puzzle out."
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091114101637997
[ and so on .. ]
Rjack, all this lot is pretty much off-topic here. I think you'd be
better debating the matter on groklaw itself, which has an
Rjack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>> Python (if I am not right, I am sure there exist other examples
>>> of this case) as of now seems to still depend on Visual C being
>>> compiled on Windows and still causing problems being compiled
>>> with MinGW.
an (on Windows) be compiled using a completely free toolchain (that
> is, MinGW)
Can't all free software written in C be built with MinGW?
> Any hints whether such a site / interest group already exists are
> greatly appreciated.
I don't know of any.
> Thanks
> Gabriel St
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>> > Geistiges Eigentum in German is what "intellectual property" in
>> > English you silly.
>> What an amazing assertion! Do you
Hi, David!
In gnu.misc.discuss David Kastrup wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie writes:
>> In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>>> Geistiges Eigentum in German is what "intellectual property" in
>>> English you silly.
>> What an amazing assertion!
ks. "
Seems likely. But there's no "property" anywhere in all that. There's
copyright, which is an abstract right, not anything of any material
substance.
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Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [...]
>> Chances are, that excerpt was written by a lawyer who knows a lot
>> about the law, and little to nothing about free software. He's
>> obviously wrong in his assertions, since he appears not to underst
t; If anyone could use ESpeak to make Loadstone self-voiceing or help with
> this that would be great, and you would be allowing many many more
> blind people to get their hands on this gps technology. Ordinarily for
> a blind person to purchase gps they need the state to invest thousand
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Boeblingen, eh?
> Yep.
>> Nice comfy town not a million miles from Stuttgart.
> Yep.
>> Could it possibly be that you work at Sun, Alex?
> I don't work at Sun, Alan. I work f
; as well?
Boeblingen, eh? Nice comfy town not a million miles from Stuttgart.
Could it possibly be that you work at Sun, Alex? Sun has a site near
Echterdingen, just off the A8, comfortable daily travelling distance
from Boeblingen. Just wondering.
> regards,
ould be to stop squandering your talents
and energies on posting such negative and snide postings here, and go and
something positive and useful instead.
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In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [...]
>> I've got things to do, a life to get on with, and a discussion about words,
> You didn't sound like a guy having things to do, a life to get on with,
> when you posted
> http://w
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [... Stallmanism ...]
>> > It is misleading to describe the users of free software, or the software
>> > users in general, as a ?market.?"
>> >
>> > Care to share your vie
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [...]
>> particular letter of his. My sympathy goes out to all Sun employees, and
>> I hope things work out for them.
> Well,
> http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-business/sun-microsy
the case, Mrs. Kroes would be onto it. She's pretty
sharp. Or maybe just nobody's complained about it yet. Why don't you
submit a complaint, Alex?
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his. My sympathy goes out to all Sun employees, and
I hope things work out for them.
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formulated exactly in the
license, they must be determined as a matter of fact in each case. Such
cases of doubt are fairly rare, though.
In the case of Qt, it seems the parties in dispute reached a satisfactory
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In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [...]
>> Yes. I remember asking you once, and you failed to reply "yes". If I'm
> Writing software is how I make money, Alan.
Sorry, I misremembered. When I asked you "Are you a pr
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [...]
>> You are not a software writer at all, as far as I can remember, so ...
> You "remember" that I am "not a software writer at all"... wow,
> interesting, care to elaborate, A
In gnu.misc.discuss Hadron wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie writes:
>> In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
>>> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> Software writers of good faith have no difficulty at all with the GPL.
>>> Who appointed you to
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> [...]
>> Software writers of good faith have no difficulty at all with the GPL.
> Who appointed you to talk for "software writers of good faith", Alan?
Don't be silly. One doesn't need
nder which the GPL must operate.
Software writers of good faith have no difficulty at all with the GPL.
Only to those seeking loopholes in it in order to violate its intentions
is there any "danger" or "complexity".
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In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Oh, here we go again. That's FUD, Rjack. You're well aware that
>> that only applies when the other decides to license his code under
>> the GPL, possibly as a consequence of his (free) decision to
&g
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> They would do it differently, of course; hindsight is a wonderful
>> thing. But the fact remains that it was and is under the GPL that
>> most free and open source software has been written.
> Fact eh? Still o
Alexander Terekhov wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Rjack wrote:
>> > Here's the point. If you are an owner of a computer program copyright,
>> > and license someone else to make a copy of your work on a physical
>> > medium that is owned
sk licence, not the physical copy. Presuambly, the buyer is as
bound by the license as Vernor is.
> Sincerely,
> Rjack
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In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious wrote:
> "Alan Mackenzie" wrote in message
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>> In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious wrote:
>>> "Alan Mackenzie" wrote in message
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In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> Linus Torvads licenses Linux under GPL2, and created Linux to mesh
>> with GNU software. Eric Raymond still contributes to GNU
>> software. And all these people treat each other with respect, and
>> when
In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious wrote:
> "Alan Mackenzie" wrote in message
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>> In gnu.misc.discuss amicus_curious wrote:
>>> "David Kastrup" wrote in message
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In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> Alan you have argued that the Usenet groups have been ruined by
> trolls. Why do you keep posting in the groups?
I was talking rather about this particular mailing list
(gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org). I post here to correc
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