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Calling for the arrest of someone whose speech you do not agree with,
even if you consider it libelous, is wrong.
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ince, and try not to be rude.
>
> I've been on mailing lists since the early 1970's, so I am not ignorant
> of what is a troll and what is not.
This issue has also been discussed at length on this list.
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We're talking past one-another, which is unfortunate, because it makes
it difficult to have constructive conversation.
I do hope that in the near future the FSF will make a direct and
unambiguous statement on this matter, because I don't see any other way
to resolve this dispute.
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rms that can be discussed in kind and constructive ways.
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.", and you think that "This is not true" is a suitable
> reply, maybe you should think again.
People are free to discuss disagreements and differences in
opinion. This suggests that such freedom shouldn't be afforded, and
makes unfair judgments against Ludo.
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funding to them because they are not taking this
> responsibility seriously.
The FSF has no such responsibility. They provide infastructure. They
are responsible for _their own_ lists and other forums.
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to believe I or anyone else here may be affiliated with such an
extremist and horrific perspective. How dare you equate the ongoing
discussion with the slaughter of people.
This is not welcome on this list.
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ities of
Mailman are, but would cause breakages in many other ways for people.
What is being done is unacceptable, but I don't want one bad actor to
cause drastic changes.
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e again, I ask that people please assume that moderators are acting in
good faith.
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cater to individuals' expectations. I would hope that one would
consider that to be a good thing, since you wouldn't want us to cater to
the expectations of those you disagree with.
I have made strong efforts to be a neutral party throughout all of this,
but I will not tolerate attempts to sme
your suit.
This racist language is not acceptable on this list.
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on burden.
> I won't post the person's name here, but moderators: if you want I can
> share the details with you directly. Email me directly if you would
> like to work on this and need my help.
Feel free to forward me any details and we can see if it's anything
we're not already aware of.
Happy hacking.
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On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 08:50:44 -0800, Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss) wrote:
> On 2020-02-22 19:38, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 20:48:43 +0100, Andreas Enge wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 10:26:22AM -0800, Kaz Kylheku (gnu-misc-discuss)
>>> wrot
to this list, raising an inflammatory topic, and then
demanding that moderation be used as a tool to reduce tensions is not
acceptable either. We'll strike a balance.
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evant to the
discussion. Whether or not you believe someone to be "sick" because
they hold a particular viewpoint---which I find to be a terrible
mistake---doesn't matter to the topic at hand. Consequently, raising it
could only be interpreted as an insult, since it can do nothing to
fur
cussions where it's much easier to draw the lines. While people do
not always choose language that is kind, we should try our best to
handle it through constructive discussion before resorting to harsh
actions.
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med discussion. Let's try to stick with stating facts, which can
be concretely debated effectively.
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revented many dozens of messages from reaching this
list, and I seldom moderate myself. But not before having made an
attempt to (publicly) stop the behavior.
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is being done), and that this moderation is being done by volunteers on
their own time.
It is also worth reminding that it is not possible to make all parties
happy. Indeed, moderators get verbal lashings from all sides.
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list.
And despite my disagreements with Ludo on the topics under discussion, I
very strongly disagree with your characterization of him.
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lso very important).
The term "maintainer" has a particular meaning with the GNU Project, and
maintainers have particular responsibilities, as outlined in the
agreement that Brandon posted previously.
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 22:39:18 -0500, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 20:38:03 -0500, nylxs wrote:
>> It is the only thing that is productive.
>
> No, it is not productive. You have caused a significant moderation
> burden. For someone trying to stick up for
ave put into GNU over the
years---that includes not only maintainers appointed by rms himself or
those acting on his behalf, but all contributors of code; documentation;
bug reports; support; donations; kind words; and everything else.
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he provides
advise to rms, but it's just that---rms can choose whether or not he
wishes to heed his advise.
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GNU and the FSF have been pretty
tightly coupled form the beginning (the FSF was created for GNU), but
there are important separations.
Clarification about the relationship between GNU and the FSF will
hopefully come soon. But GNU maintainers do not serve at the pleasure
of the FSF.
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and there are frustrations all around, but attempting to force
change raises tensions rather than resolving them.
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ver. Let's please move on.
People on this list can help out the moderators by not requiring
moderation. Please.
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On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 22:55:04 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
> Mike Gerwitz writes:
>> The FSF does provide essential resources for the GNU Project, but it has
>> no say in how the project is governed. Those decisions must be made by
>> rms.
>
> It's important to remember
I haven't commented up to this point because I haven't had the time to
follow the discussion, but this is important.
The FSF does provide essential resources for the GNU Project, but it has
no say in how the project is governed. Those decisions must be made by
rms.
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from the list of recipients.
If you have any questions, feel free to reply to this thread or contact
me or Brandon privately.
Thank you!
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further.
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essage gets in the way. I end up
not reading your messages because of it. If enough people are doing
this, then you are not effectively defending rms.
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eople to carry out appropriate discussions.
Please stop. I understand that you find certain statements to be
upsetting, but words like these do nothing but undermine whatever point
you're trying to make.
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to
negotiate terms under which my contributions are assignable.)
As Jason Self mentioned, this isn't always necessary. In my case it was
necessary because some of the code I was assigning was written during
work hours.
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eld me back from
trying it (lack of linux-libre, specifically); I don't have the time to
start stripping things out of the OS myself.
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at the history of free software and open source
(Wikipedia is a good enough start) to see how each of your above
concerns has been addressed over the years.
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