Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-13 Thread Thufir Hawat
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:57:33 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: These posts of yours are unreadable, RJ. They go on and on and on obsessively, yet they are none of them complete and coherent. A typical one of your posts assumes, often tacitly, something you showed in some previous post,

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-13 Thread Rjack
Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:57:33 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: These posts of yours are unreadable, RJ. They go on and on and on obsessively, yet they are none of them complete and coherent. Your whining continues obsessively Alan. Since you obviously don't understand

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-13 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:57:33 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: These posts of yours are unreadable, RJ. They go on and on and on obsessively, yet they are none of them complete and coherent. Your whining continues

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-13 Thread Tim
Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Since you obviously don't understand kill-files: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_file please read up on the merits of kill-files and then implement one. That's like saying an air raid shelter will save the anguish

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-13 Thread Rjack
Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:57:33 +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: These posts of yours are unreadable, RJ. They go on and on and on obsessively, yet they are none of them complete and coherent. Your

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-13 Thread Rjack
Tim wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Since you obviously don't understand kill-files: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_file please read up on the merits of kill-files and then implement one. That's like saying an air raid shelter will save the

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-12 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack still hasn't specified which of the terms in the GPL are illegal. And he protests: Not at all. Try reading my posts instead of denying and lying. ... You been told many, many times. Review past posts I've made instead of just denying and lying. OK, readers, I need

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-12 Thread Rjack
RonB wrote: Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack still hasn't specified which of the terms in the GPL are illegal. And he protests: Not at all. Try reading my posts instead of denying and lying. ... You been told many, many times. Review past posts I've made instead of just denying and lying. OK,

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-12 Thread Keith Thompson
Rjack u...@example.net writes: [snip] You're flat out lying Rahul. I never claimed that. You're a desperate, despicable, deleterious desperado indeed. Your mother should wash your mouth out with soap for claiming such things. [snip] If true, such claims are irrelevant. Ad hominen attacks

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-12 Thread Rahul Dhesi
I had figured that Rjack was saying that terms in the GPL are unenforceable because they are illegal. But now, in his latest posting, he seems to be saying the opposite: that terms in the GPL are illegal because they are unenforceable. Which is cyclic enough that nobody will ever win this

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-12 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Keith Thompson ks...@mib.org wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: [snip] You're flat out lying Rahul. I never claimed that. You're a desperate, despicable, deleterious desperado indeed. Your mother should wash your mouth out with soap for claiming such things. [snip]

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-11 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Happy pagan fertility rite, RJack! In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Rahul Dhesi wrote: If the GPL contains any illegal terms, it should be easy to prove this. Just find some statute or case law according to which GPL-like permissions are illegal. If you can find none, then

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-11 Thread Rjack
Alan Mackenzie wrote: Happy pagan fertility rite, RJack! . . . whining . . . . . . more whining . . . Its enforceability is a sensible default assumption. The GPL was put together by a competent lawyer, I didn't know Richard Stallman was a lawyer. Was that pseudo-fact also a default

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-11 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack made two ludicrious claims. First, that the GPL causes promissory estoppel, and as a result, anybody can copy GPL software as he pleases, with no limitations. I will discuss this later. Second, that the GPL, if treated as causing a contract to form, is unenforceable due to illegality.

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-11 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack made two ludicrious claims. First, that the GPL causes promissory estoppel, and as a result, anybody can copy GPL software as he pleases, with no limitations. You're flat out lying Rahul. I never claimed that. You're a desperate, despicable, deleterious desperado

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-11 Thread RonB
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack still hasn't specified which of the terms in the GPL are illegal. And he protests: Not at all. Try reading my posts instead of denying and lying. ... You been told many, many times. Review past posts I've made instead of just denying and lying. OK, readers, I need

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-11 Thread Snit
RonB stated in post grrlk7$64...@news.motzarella.org on 4/11/09 8:01 PM: Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack still hasn't specified which of the terms in the GPL are illegal. And he protests: Not at all. Try reading my posts instead of denying and lying. ... You been told many, many times. Review

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-11 Thread Hadron
RonB ronb02nos...@gmail.com writes: Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack still hasn't specified which of the terms in the GPL are illegal. And he protests: Not at all. Try reading my posts instead of denying and lying. ... You been told many, many times. Review past posts I've made instead of just

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-10 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack u...@example.net writes: (I'm assuming that Rjack's recent sources of authority, namely, answers.com and merriam-webster.com, will not suffice here.) I had hoped after trying to teach you that the meaning of the term illegal changed with a change contexts, that a little something would

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-10 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: (I'm assuming that Rjack's recent sources of authority, namely, answers.com and merriam-webster.com, will not suffice here.) I had hoped after trying to teach you that the meaning of the term illegal changed with a change contexts, that a

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-10 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack has outdone himself. I objected to his quoting answers.com and merriam-webster.com to show that the GPL contains illegal terms. I suggested that, since we have a couple of hundred years or more of case law discussing when a contract should be unenforceable due to illegality, Rjack ought to

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-10 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack has outdone himself. I objected to his quoting answers.com and merriam-webster.com to show that the GPL contains illegal terms. I suggested that, since we have a couple of hundred years or more of case law discussing when a contract should be unenforceable due to

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-10 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Sigh. Since the GPL has never been reviewed by a court with proper jurisdiction, you're going to look for a loong time. Since you obviously don't understand what an illegal term means in general contract interpretation your quest is

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-10 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack is trying to show that the GPL contains illegal terms. Indeed, a sine qua non of contract doctrine is a shared expectation that the parties will execute the contract in accord with the law http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/143/143.F3d.1260.97-15781.html This is a case about an

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-10 Thread dr_nikolaus_klepp
Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Sigh. Since the GPL has never been reviewed by a court with proper jurisdiction, you're going to look for a loong time. Since you obviously don't understand what an illegal term means in general contract

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-10 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack is trying to show that the GPL contains illegal terms. Indeed, a sine qua non of contract doctrine is a shared expectation that the parties will execute the contract in accord with the law http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/143/143.F3d.1260.97-15781.html

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack u...@example.net writes: Your remark concerning use is interesting. There is a subtle distinction between use in the context of patents and that of copyrights. The patent grant states: [ a long, tedious, legal argument ] More and more, when I read Rjack's flawed and tedious arguments that

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread amicus_curious
Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxthexg.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:grlfag$9e...@blue.rahul.net... Is there any significant difference between Rjack and Wallace? -- A very major difference is that judges were ruling against Wallace and that has not yet happened to Rjack.

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread Rahul Dhesi
amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: Is there any significant difference between Rjack and Wallace? -- A very major difference is that judges were ruling against Wallace and that has not yet happened to Rjack. Ah yes! I had forgotten that Rjack has overruled the CAFC (repeatedly). I

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread amicus_curious
Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxthexg.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:grli7b$f2...@blue.rahul.net... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: Is there any significant difference between Rjack and Wallace? -- A very major difference is that judges were ruling against Wallace and that has not yet

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: Is there any significant difference between Rjack and Wallace? -- A very major difference is that judges were ruling against Wallace and that has not yet happened to Rjack. Ah yes! I had forgotten that Rjack has overruled the CAFC

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack u...@example.net writes: Present a rational, logical argument supported by legal authority and have at it. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with disagreeing with a court when relying on alternate but conflicting legal authority. The CAFC panel, comprising three smart people, already

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread Keith Thompson
Rjack u...@example.net writes: [...] Present your legal arguments and have at it. Using ad homonem arguments because your angry with someone will convince no one. It's taken you this long to realize that? -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) ks...@mib.org http://www.ghoti.net/~kst Nokia We

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: Present a rational, logical argument supported by legal authority and have at it. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with disagreeing with a court when relying on alternate but conflicting legal authority. The CAFC panel, comprising three

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack u...@example.net writes: If you acually think the Ninth Circuit will overrule it's own precendent because of the CAFC ruling, then I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell you -- cheap. I don't believe any of the Ninth Circuit's precedents are directly relevant to the

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: If you acually think the Ninth Circuit will overrule it's own precendent because of the CAFC ruling, then I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell you -- cheap. I don't believe any of the Ninth Circuit's precedents are

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack u...@example.net writes: Please identify what system(s) of law(s) provide a legal remedy for this so called misappropriation of software. So that we may further discuss misappropriation in more detail. Seems to be an ill-defined term. Does anybody else understand what Rjack is asking for?

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: Please identify what system(s) of law(s) provide a legal remedy for this so called misappropriation of software. So that we may further discuss misappropriation in more detail. Seems to be an ill-defined term. Does anybody else understand

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-09 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: Please identify what system(s) of law(s) provide a legal remedy for this so called misappropriation of software. So that we may further discuss misappropriation in more detail. Seems to be an ill-defined term. Does anybody else understand

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-08 Thread dr_nikolaus_klepp
amicus_curious wrote: dr_nikolaus_klepp dr.kl...@gmx.at wrote in message news:2b749$49dbc4aa$557d7df2$...@news.inode.at... chrisv wrote: rat wrote: Now that is more akin to the way that unsophisticates are lured into using the free GPL code and then are hammered for their birthright by

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-07 Thread chrisv
rat wrote: Now that is more akin to the way that unsophisticates are lured into using the free GPL code and then are hammered for their birthright by the SFLC. Ignorance is no excuse!, they say, What's yours is now ours, you have been touched! So, you think software developers just grab

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-07 Thread JEDIDIAH
On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2009-04-06, amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet wrote in message news:slrngtkmgi.vvv.j...@nomad.mishnet... GPL license offerers are much more akin to homeowners who are trying to rip off their

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-07 Thread amicus_curious
dr_nikolaus_klepp dr.kl...@gmx.at wrote in message news:2b749$49dbc4aa$557d7df2$...@news.inode.at... chrisv wrote: rat wrote: Now that is more akin to the way that unsophisticates are lured into using the free GPL code and then are hammered for their birthright by the SFLC. Ignorance is no

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Thufir Hawat
On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code such as BSD licensed programs do not carry any baggage related to

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Thufir Hawat
On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:20:08 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:44:43 -0400, Rjack wrote: The Free Software Foundation has *never* advanced a legal argument to refute the fact that the GPL is contractually unenforceable and preempted by the Copyright Act.

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Thufir Hawat
On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:20:08 -0400, Rjack wrote: To summarize, this means the GPL is a contract to requiring that: 1) you must cause Only if you choose to accept the GPL, only if you accept it. If you decline to accept it, that's fine, you can then contact the copyright holder to make

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote: It[the GPL]'s just as much a contract as any other EULA. The GPL isn't a EULA, except perhaps the tiny part of it that says you may run this program unconditionally. The concept of end user is absent in free software licensing, and

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code such as BSD licensed programs do not carry any

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:20:08 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:44:43 -0400, Rjack wrote: The Free Software Foundation has *never* advanced a legal argument to refute the fact that the GPL is contractually unenforceable and preempted by the

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:20:08 -0400, Rjack wrote: To summarize, this means the GPL is a contract to requiring that: 1) you must cause Only if you choose to accept the GPL, only if you accept it. If you decline to accept it, that's fine, you can then contact the

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote: It[the GPL]'s just as much a contract as any other EULA. The GPL isn't a EULA, except perhaps the tiny part of it that says you may run this program unconditionally. The concept of end user is absent in

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: The logical conclusion of your argument is that the GPL is pointless. And, since the BSD license is

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote: It[the GPL]'s just as much a contract as any other EULA. The GPL isn't a EULA, except perhaps the tiny part of it that says you may run this program

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote: It[the GPL]'s just as much a contract as any other EULA. The GPL isn't a EULA, except perhaps the tiny part of it that says you may

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Hadron
Rjack u...@example.net writes: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: The logical conclusion of your argument is

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: The logical conclusion of

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
Hadron wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: The logical conclusion of your

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: The

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Alan Mackenzie
In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Where do you see the difference, in practice, between software being in the public domain, and software being licensed under the GPL, understood as you understand it? Code in the public domain doesn't have ownership

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread dr_nikolaus_klepp
Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code such as BSD licensed programs

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
Alan Mackenzie wrote: In gnu.misc.discuss Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Where do you see the difference, in practice, between software being in the public domain, and software being licensed under the GPL, understood as you understand it? Code in the public domain

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
dr_nikolaus_klepp wrote: Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code such

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread JEDIDIAH
On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread JEDIDIAH
On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread amicus_curious
JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet wrote in message news:slrngtkmgi.vvv.j...@nomad.mishnet... GPL license offerers are much more akin to homeowners who are trying to rip off their invited guests by tempting them to accept an illegal contract. Nice self-nuke on your part there... You either

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
amicus_curious wrote: JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet wrote in message news:slrngtkmgi.vvv.j...@nomad.mishnet... GPL license offerers are much more akin to homeowners who are trying to rip off their invited guests by tempting them to accept an illegal contract. Nice self-nuke on your part

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread JEDIDIAH
On 2009-04-06, amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet wrote in message news:slrngtkmgi.vvv.j...@nomad.mishnet... GPL license offerers are much more akin to homeowners who are trying to rip off their invited guests by tempting them to accept an illegal contract.

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread JEDIDIAH
On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rahul Dhesi
amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: Now that is more akin to the way that unsophisticates are lured into using the free GPL code and then are hammered for their birthright by the SFLC. Ignorance is no excuse!, they say, What's yours is now ours, you have been touched! You have pointed out a

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2009-04-06, amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet wrote in message news:slrngtkmgi.vvv.j...@nomad.mishnet... GPL license offerers are much more akin to homeowners who are trying to rip off their invited guests by tempting them to accept an illegal

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: JEDIDIAH wrote: On 2009-04-06, Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:07:03 -0400, Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: I'm not sure how actually serious this problem is. That would depend on how gullible software users are. Do they believe everything they read on Usenet? I suspect most of them are too smart to be fooled. Uh... does that include messages from a certain Rahul Dhesi who posts

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread amicus_curious
Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:0yydnb8mcqht8kfunz2dnuvz_sbin...@giganews.com... By using the analogy of a titty bar you are displaying your ugly misogynist side. Your sexist remarks have set women's rights back at least a half century. That long? I wouldn't think that the

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-06 Thread amicus_curious
Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxthexg.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:grduio$r3...@blue.rahul.net... amicus_curious a...@sti.net writes: Now that is more akin to the way that unsophisticates are lured into using the free GPL code and then are hammered for their birthright by the SFLC.

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Thufir Hawat
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:44:43 -0400, Rjack wrote: The Free Software Foundation has *never* advanced a legal argument to refute the fact that the GPL is contractually unenforceable and preempted by the Copyright Act. What's your argument that isn't enforceable? -Thufir

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Thufir Hawat
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code such as BSD licensed programs do not carry any baggage related to being hauled into federal court by a band of wild-eyed zealots who

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code such as BSD licensed programs do not carry any baggage related to being hauled into federal court by a band of

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:44:43 -0400, Rjack wrote: The Free Software Foundation has *never* advanced a legal argument to refute the fact that the GPL is contractually unenforceable and preempted by the Copyright Act. What's your argument that isn't enforceable? The GPL

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread amicus_curious
Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:tvqdnf7tyeli7evunz2dnuvz_g2wn...@giganews.com... amicus_curious wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:oymdndmtkdtop0vunz2dnuvz_vedn...@giganews.com... Only an idiot can construe intimidation from a written guarantee not to sue

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread amicus_curious
Thufir Hawat hawat.thu...@gmail.com wrote in message news:fudbl.727$9t6@newsfe10.iad... On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:35:51 -0400, Rjack wrote: Free Software is highly restrictive software and isn't free at all. Permissive licensed open source code such as BSD licensed programs do not carry

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
amicus_curious wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:tvqdnf7tyeli7evunz2dnuvz_g2wn...@giganews.com... amicus_curious wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:oymdndmtkdtop0vunz2dnuvz_vedn...@giganews.com... Only an idiot can construe intimidation from a written

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
Rjack wrote: Thufir Hawat wrote: On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:44:43 -0400, Rjack wrote: The Free Software Foundation has *never* advanced a legal argument to refute the fact that the GPL is contractually unenforceable and preempted by the Copyright Act. What's your argument that isn't

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread amicus_curious
Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxthexg.usenet.us.com wrote in message news:gr82or$kj...@blue.rahul.net... Rjack u...@example.net writes: American common law is historically based upon English common law: 1. This Act shall be known as THE CIVIL CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, and is in Four

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rjack
Rahul Dhesi wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: American common law is historically based upon English common law: 1. This Act shall be known as THE CIVIL CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, and is in Four Divisions, as follows: . . . 22.2. The common law of England, so far as it is not

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-04 Thread Rahul Dhesi
Rjack u...@example.net writes: American common law is historically based upon English common law: 1. This Act shall be known as THE CIVIL CODE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, and is in Four Divisions, as follows: . . . 22.2. The common law of England, so far as it is not repugnant to or

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-03 Thread Rjack
amicus_curious wrote: The constructions created by any compiler are fairly atomic in nature and it is unlikely that anyone could make a case that the compiler output, constructed of some collection of these constructs based on the programmer's arrangement of source code syntax and order,

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-03 Thread David Kastrup
Rjack u...@example.net writes: amicus_curious wrote: The constructions created by any compiler are fairly atomic in nature and it is unlikely that anyone could make a case that the compiler output, constructed of some collection of these constructs based on the programmer's arrangement of

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-03 Thread Rjack
David Kastrup wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: amicus_curious wrote: The constructions created by any compiler are fairly atomic in nature and it is unlikely that anyone could make a case that the compiler output, constructed of some collection of these constructs based on the

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-03 Thread David Kastrup
Rjack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: amicus_curious wrote: The constructions created by any compiler are fairly atomic in nature and it is unlikely that anyone could make a case that the compiler output, constructed of some collection of

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-03 Thread Rjack
David Kastrup wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: David Kastrup wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: amicus_curious wrote: The constructions created by any compiler are fairly atomic in nature and it is unlikely that anyone could make a case that the compiler output, constructed

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-03 Thread amicus_curious
Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:oymdndmtkdtop0vunz2dnuvz_vedn...@giganews.com... Only an idiot can construe intimidation from a written guarantee not to sue for a possibly contentious issue. And only a fucking Freetard moron such as yourself could twice fail to grasp the

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-03 Thread Rjack
amicus_curious wrote: Rjack u...@example.net wrote in message news:oymdndmtkdtop0vunz2dnuvz_vedn...@giganews.com... Only an idiot can construe intimidation from a written guarantee not to sue for a possibly contentious issue. And only a fucking Freetard moron such as yourself could

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-02 Thread SomeBloke
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:00:34 -0400, Rjack wrote: Don't like the GPLv3's provisions? Just issue an exception to its terms when convenient! I wanted to note that the FSF has just released an exception (the first?) to GPL3 under Section 7 (that allows additional permissions to negate other

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-02 Thread Rjack
SomeBloke wrote: On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:00:34 -0400, Rjack wrote: Don't like the GPLv3's provisions? Just issue an exception to its terms when convenient! I wanted to note that the FSF has just released an exception (the first?) to GPL3 under Section 7 (that allows additional permissions to

Re: The GPL means what you want it to mean

2009-04-02 Thread amicus_curious
Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote in message news:49d517f2.ac331...@web.de... Rjack wrote: [...] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gcc-exception-faq.html Since all of the object code that GCC generates is derived from these GPLed libraries, that means you would be required to