Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-12-12 Thread microsoft gaofei
Nanokernel is smaller, picokernel is the smallest.

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-12-08 Thread Alexander Vdolainen
On Saturday, December 7, 2019 7:01:42 AM EET microsoft gaofei wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exokernel . Do you think exokernel is much > better than microkernel? Or would you make a nanokernel instead of > microkernel? Exokernel isn't good concept. 14 years ago I was attended to test a

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-12-08 Thread Nala Ginrut
Decade ago, I've been trying to learn and hack exokernel. However, I stopped finally. Because I'm a kind of pragmatism guy. Microkernel is mature in commercial world. If we want to help GNU operating system for real cases, microkernel would be the way. GNU is a project for advocating free

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-12-07 Thread microsoft gaofei
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exokernel . Do you think exokernel is much better than microkernel? Or would you make a nanokernel instead of microkernel?

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-12-02 Thread microsoft gaofei
There are more kernel types, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exokernel . Moreover, some DRMs are free software, because their full name is Direct Rendering Manager, some things have the same initialism.

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-29 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le jeudi 28 novembre 2019, 06:00:32 CET Jean Louis a écrit : > For Microsoft I judge by previous pattern, fur example using GNU system > in Windows and never calling it neither GNU neither putting attention > to free software. Apple and many other proprietary operating systems (including Ubuntu,

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-28 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] This isn't really the right place to discuss out opinions of Microsoft. -- Dr

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-28 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Please forgive my ignorance, but what's wrong exactly in licensing > under

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-28 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Most of the packages on GitHub are not free software (or open source) because they

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-28 Thread Félicien Pillot
On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:32:54 +0100 inasprecali wrote: > Please forgive my ignorance, but what's wrong exactly in licensing > under only a single version of the GPL? https://www.gnu.org/licenses/identify-licenses-clearly.html -- Félicien Pillot 2C7C ACC0 FBDB ADBA E7BC 50D9 043C D143 6C87

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-28 Thread Nala Ginrut
nipponm...@firemail.cc writes: > Github is "software development as social media". > Thus all you have is backbiting and gossip as 90% of the "development". > Additionally Microsoft encouraged the additions of additional writings > alongside the licenses such as "Codes of Conduct." > > So now

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-27 Thread nipponmail
After microsoft puchased Github, they encouraged "Codes of Conduct". So now 40k "opensource projects" hace CoC's. Obviously men won't be contributing to said projects, other than the people allready in them. On 2019-11-27 10:02, Jean Louis wrote: * Nala Ginrut [2019-11-20 09:03]: > Why

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-27 Thread nipponmail
Github is "software development as social media". Thus all you have is backbiting and gossip as 90% of the "development". Additionally Microsoft encouraged the additions of additional writings alongside the licenses such as "Codes of Conduct." So now you have your licenses (maybe), and then

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-27 Thread Nala Ginrut
Well, The God Father said:"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgment." ;-) Best regards. Jean Louis writes: > For Microsoft I judge by previous pattern, fur example using GNU system in > Windows and never calling it neither GNU neither putting attention to free > software. > >

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-27 Thread Jean Louis
For Microsoft I judge by previous pattern, fur example using GNU system in Windows and never calling it neither GNU neither putting attention to free software. Pattern of users abuse increased over time at that company. I can't get away of my prejudices based on history. On November 28, 2019

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-27 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] GitHub's encouragement of sloppy licensing, no licensing, or licensing under only a

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-27 Thread Nala Ginrut
IIRC, the most famous case is Farecast, which was aquired by M$ with a high price 110M dollars then just shutdown because its data source was controlled by Google. I guess if free software affect GitHub so much, then they will shutdown it without a hesitation. Best regards. Alexandre François

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-27 Thread orbulon
I don't think this is entirely the case. Even though many people would migrate to gitlab or other services, countless projects that are no longer being maintained or not very active would be lost. Nov 27, 2019, 10:19 by g...@adamspiers.org: > On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 10:02, Jean Louis <>

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-27 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le mercredi 27 novembre 2019, 11:02:16 CET Jean Louis a écrit : > Most logical to me is that they have long term to kill Github just > like Google does with various competitive companies, please see > https://killedbygoogle.com/ This website doesn’t list at all competitive companies bought or

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-27 Thread Nala Ginrut
Adam Spiers writes: > Killing GitHub would actually help Free Software, because then most > Free Software projects on there would migrate to GitLab and other > more free git hosting platforms. That already happened to a smaller > extent when Microsoft bought GitHub; there was a noticeable

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-27 Thread Adam Spiers
On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 10:02, Jean Louis wrote: > I don't trust Microsoft anything. If they purchased Github, it was not > for reason to foster free software. It is apparent reason, why should > they be doing that. Let us think logical. > > Most logical to me is that they have long term to kill

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-27 Thread Jean Louis
* Nala Ginrut [2019-11-20 09:03]: > > Why Windows sucks: > > https://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html > > Yeah, I've shared this article in my last company, it's a good post. > > Microsoft takes the honor of FOSS nowadays, everyone praise them just > like they're leading the

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-23 Thread nipponmail
On the chans, everyone thinks GUIX is a systemd distro. While praising dmd. There is confusion. No one has heard of the name change. On 2019-11-23 10:15, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: nipponm...@firemail.cc writes: The D compiler is dmd rather than dc? You could call dmd gdmd (gnu dmd) or g-dmd.

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-23 Thread nipponmail
The D compiler is dmd rather than dc? You could call dmd gdmd (gnu dmd) or g-dmd. shepard systemd they get confused. Usually one reads the first and last letter of a word and not the middle. Same first and last letter, same lenght, same context, similar shape: people think GUIX runs systemd.

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-23 Thread Nala Ginrut
Ricardo Wurmus writes: > nipponm...@firemail.cc writes: >> people think GUIX runs systemd. > > I don’t think you can speak for others. I don't think many people thought Guix runs systemd, on the contrary, many people thought GNU hackers hate systemd, and they asked on Quora. I don't know how

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-23 Thread Ricardo Wurmus
nipponm...@firemail.cc writes: > The D compiler is dmd rather than dc? > > You could call dmd gdmd (gnu dmd) or g-dmd. This ship has sailed. You are a few years late. > shepard > systemd > > they get confused. Usually one reads the first and last letter of a > word and not the middle. Same

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-21 Thread Jean Louis
* Nala Ginrut [2019-11-20 13:34]: > > With BSD licenses you are not ensured to get the sources. Such BSD > > software with sources is good, but if you get binaries under BSD > > license, you have no idea what is going on, thus it is again sales of > > poison, which Windoze systems are proving

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-21 Thread Jean Louis
* Ricardo Wurmus [2019-11-16 14:49]: > > Alfred M. Szmidt writes: > > > I also don't think that shepherd is a better name, dmd far better > > describes the intent Wolfgang and I had when we wrote and designed it. > > It wasn’t our decision to rename dmd to shepherd. I liked “dmd” too. > > >

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-20 Thread Nala Ginrut
Jean Louis writes: > We humans invent all the time things that we do not currently need on > the market. > ... Demand can be > created. Yes, I've been trying both, I also have some advanced projects that can be realized in the future. > Well I don't know what you mean with religion, it is

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going. -- "You" means "anyone", not you specifically.

2019-11-17 Thread Nala Ginrut
Kete via Discussions about the development of the GNU system writes: > On 11/16/2019 02:31 AM, Nala Ginrut wrote: >> Linus Tovalds had derided developers for decades, but no one >> jump out to force him to step down. > There have been strong concerns about Torvalds' language and the working >

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going. -- "You" means "anyone", not you specifically.

2019-11-15 Thread Nala Ginrut
nipponm...@firemail.cc writes: > "You" in this instance means "anyone". > It is an aspect of american english. I didn't make misunderstanding on this point. I said so in case others made misunderstanding. > So here I was saying: If Eben derides young men of a certain class, > young men of that

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-15 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le vendredi 15 novembre 2019 09:41:17 CET, vous avez écrit : > * Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-11-14 06:21]: > >Le mercredi 13 novembre 2019, 19:23:43 CET Kete via Discussions > >about the> > >development of the GNU system a écrit : > >> I disagree that they betrayed RMS. I still

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-15 Thread Jean Louis
* Alfred M. Szmidt [2019-11-14 06:21]: > >Le mercredi 13 novembre 2019, 19:23:43 CET Kete via Discussions about the >development of the GNU system a écrit : >> I disagree that they betrayed RMS. I still like the Guix contributors, >> probably even more now. Your systemd

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-14 Thread Taylan Kammer
On 14.11.2019 00:47, nipponm...@firemail.cc wrote: > Svante Signell: don't give me nightmares: I'm a videogame programmer and > attorney; not a systems programmer. Wait, I thought you were one of those Real Hackers, unlike the silly wimmin who only code trivial things (like games, one might

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-14 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le jeudi 14 novembre 2019, 06:19:54 CET Alfred M. Szmidt a écrit : > GNU dmd was never intended for the Hurd, it was far more general in > spirit. Oh I must have misread or misrecalled then, thank you very much for correction. > I also don't think that shepherd is a better name, dmd far better

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-14 Thread Nala Ginrut
nipponm...@firemail.cc writes: > RMS could do it, remember he did the first version of GCC in a > week. Also I get the impression that, for many people, gnu (and > programming for the FSF) is used as "babys first coding job", while > RMS is a true wizard programmer. Well, I believe RMS doesn't

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread nipponmail
I'm not making it up: the users think Guix is a systemd distro: you need to make it clear that it is not (note: in the init system debates GNU DMD was spoken of glowingly, they don't know it changed names either). Perhaps put on the main page: Init system: shepard (old name: GNU DMD). Many

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread Alexandre François Garreau
Le mercredi 13 novembre 2019, 19:23:43 CET Kete via Discussions about the development of the GNU system a écrit : > I disagree that they betrayed RMS. I still like the Guix contributors, > probably even more now. Your systemd statement is confusing because they > made their own service program

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > With linux-libre one is still beholden to the decisions of those in > control

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread nipponmail
Svante Signell: don't give me nightmares: I'm a videogame programmer and attorney; not a systems programmer. Though in the books I've read they atleast gave you more registers in AMD64. Right now an inflection point exists: if you do the work you can seize the day. Linus has abdicated: the

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2019-11-13 at 20:37 +, nipponm...@firemail.cc wrote: > > > Anyway... Hurd needs 64 bit support to take over where Linux has decided > to abdicate. We are happy to review patches. Thanks!

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread nipponmail
shepherd You will have to advertise that. Most users are under the impression the Guix is a systemd distribution. Calling for the removal of RMS from his own project /Gnu/ when he was under enormous social pressure over nothing ("u r pedo!" -- the "community" (note: all actual hackers

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread Kete via Discussions about the development of the GNU system
I disagree that they betrayed RMS. I still like the Guix contributors, probably even more now. Your systemd statement is confusing because they made their own service program called shepherd. On 11/13/2019 01:14 PM, nipponm...@firemail.cc wrote: > After them stabbing RMS in the back, who would

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread nipponmail
I must concur: 64 bit is needed. On 2019-11-13 10:53, Alexander Vdolainen wrote:

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread nipponmail
After them stabbing RMS in the back, who would be motivated to have anything to do with them? Also they are a systemd distribution: so are directed by the decisions of IBM (RedHat), not hackers, in the end. On 2019-11-13 11:31, Svante Signell wrote: On Wed, 2019-11-13 at 16:36 +0530, Jean

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread Jean Louis
* Svante Signell [2019-11-13 17:01]: > On Wed, 2019-11-13 at 16:36 +0530, Jean Louis wrote: > > > > It is time to make fully free FSF endorsed GNU/Hurd > > distribution. > > As you might know, Guix is working on to also support GNU/Hurd. Maybe you can > make contributions there (in addition to

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2019-11-13 at 16:36 +0530, Jean Louis wrote: > > It is time to make fully free FSF endorsed GNU/Hurd > distribution. As you might know, Guix is working on to also support GNU/Hurd. Maybe you can make contributions there (in addition to Debian GNU/Hurd).

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread Alexander Vdolainen
On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 1:06:12 PM EET Jean Louis wrote: > * Alexander Vdolainen [2019-11-13 16:08]: > > > Minix was made by Professor Tannenbaum. Minix 2.0 worked well and I > > > remember using it. Now there is Minix 3 as full operating system. > > > > And the most successful use is

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread Alexander Vdolainen
On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 1:50:52 AM EET Svante Signell wrote: > Hello, Hi, > > below are incomplete answers to your questions and some links. Many facts > are supplied by Samuel Thibault, the main GNU/Hurd developer. Since he is > very busy, he does not want to reply directly due to lack

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-13 Thread Alexander Vdolainen
Hi, On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 8:28:15 AM EET Jean Louis wrote: > * Alexander Vdolainen [2019-11-13 02:32]: > > Hi, > > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 10:05:46 PM EET nipponm...@firemail.cc wrote: > > > RMS could do it. Alot of what is required in software is willpower to do > > > the

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-12 Thread Jean Louis
* Alexander Vdolainen [2019-11-13 02:32]: > Hi, > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 10:05:46 PM EET nipponm...@firemail.cc wrote: > > RMS could do it. Alot of what is required in software is willpower to do > > the work. RMS has such. > That's not about RMS. This is a job for a few guys. Surely,

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-12 Thread nipponmail
Will 64 bit userland come in time? Also will you implement the hardening features of KALSR (net bsd) / GrSecurity-PaX (who invented them). These are necessary features today: otherwise you get rooted quickly. Hurd is needed, Linux is out of the hands of the hackers now. Linus bent the knee

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-12 Thread Svante Signell
Hello, below are incomplete answers to your questions and some links. Many facts are supplied by Samuel Thibault, the main GNU/Hurd developer. Since he is very busy, he does not want to reply directly due to lack of time to answer any follow-up questions. Thanks! On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 10:44

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-12 Thread orbulon
So where exactly is Hurd in development? I checked and it seems to be available in x86 but not x64. What would it take for one or more people to get it up to date with the latest hardware? Nov 12, 2019, 12:02 by nipponm...@firemail.cc: > With linux-libre one is still beholden to the decisions

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-12 Thread Alexander Vdolainen
Hi, On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 10:05:46 PM EET nipponm...@firemail.cc wrote: > RMS could do it. Alot of what is required in software is willpower to do > the work. RMS has such. That's not about RMS. This is a job for a few guys. Well, just to be more clear, if you want a well designed,

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-12 Thread nipponmail
RMS could do it. Alot of what is required in software is willpower to do the work. RMS has such. Though he once talked about how he felt needed, but not wanted. I wish he could find a person that would supply what is missing; maybe his friends could help? (Perhaps even international friends).

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-12 Thread nipponmail
With linux-libre one is still beholden to the decisions of those in control of the upstream linux project. In the past, during the 90s and first half-decade of the 2000s these were hackers, who had self-agency, and thus could be trusted to atleast do what is best for programmer-users such as

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-12 Thread Alexander Vdolainen
Hi, On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 3:39:00 PM EET دانیال بهزادی wrote: > There is not only Freedom concerns about the future of Linux, but also > technical and practical concerns about a monolithic kernel in the age of > IoT. We need a Free Software kernel to power supercomputers, nanocomputers >

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-12 Thread دانیال بهزادی
There is not only Freedom concerns about the future of Linux, but also technical and practical concerns about a monolithic kernel in the age of IoT. We need a Free Software kernel to power supercomputers, nanocomputers and anything between. در November 12, 2019 8:53:42 AM UTC، Jean Louis نوشت:

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-12 Thread Jean Louis
* Alexander Vdolainen [2019-11-12 14:14]: > however, if we're going to speak about GNU system we're limited with a few > components: > - GNU userland - ok it exists > - GNU toolchain - yep it works > - GNU kernel/system services - ... nope > I know linux kernel just works, but it's not a GNU

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-12 Thread Alexander Vdolainen
Hi, IMO GNU Hurd is a good thing to have, btw at the moment Hurd architecture isn't so good: - it's a microkernel, isn't it? if so, why mach still contains drivers ... why not to use a 3rd microkernel generation ... etc ... - MIG ... it's an ugly thing as I understood GNU hurd development

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-11 Thread orbulon
I agree with this. Even if it's not RMS, Hurd development has stalled and it would be really nice if a few people got back to developing it. Like many of the people in those threads, I fear the direction Linux is going in. Nov 11, 2019, 05:24 by nipponm...@firemail.cc: > [I think this is

Re: RMS: users request you perhaps program HURD: they fear the path the linux kernel is going.

2019-11-11 Thread nipponmail
RMS could do it, remember he did the first version of GCC in a week. Also I get the impression that, for many people, gnu (and programming for the FSF) is used as "babys first coding job", while RMS is a true wizard programmer. It would be better in his hands. You get what you pay for: when