On 2024-08-13 10:05, Steve Butler wrote:
> The location of saved config values, saved reports, and other such items is
> O/S specific. Those need to be moved separate from the main file(s) that
> holds/hold you accounting book(s).
>
> I don't know the wiki location that references the various O/S
I wrote the OP, and it was NOT about moving to a new machine; it was about
having the "working" files (the .log files and the backup files) stored in
a different directory than the main file.
The answer to your question has two parts:
First, the financial data is all stored in one fil
asy way to
> transfer working files to another location, or, as in my case, to
> another PC, following an upgrade?
>
> Sorry again, I am not unaware of computing, but my knowledge is 'old'
> and, from my experience of GNU support it would seem I am not nerdy
> enough.
> On Aug 13, 2024, at 6:26 AM, David Warren wrote:
>
> I think they are arguing about some bespoke backup schema. It was trivially
> easy for me, a reasonably new gnucash user, to move files to a new location
> on 1 computer, and then when my machine was rebuilt for windows 11,
I think they are arguing about some bespoke backup schema. It was trivially
easy for me, a reasonably new gnucash user, to move files to a new location
on 1 computer, and then when my machine was rebuilt for windows 11, to copy
files to a "new" computer too. The documentation for that is
If nobody minds, could I butt in?
This thread is sort of about the same problem I have but I have received
no reply to my recent post about it.
Am I to assume from the messages here that there is no easy way to
transfer working files to another location, or, as in my case, to
another PC
On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 7:59 AM Michael or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 8/10/2024 10:15 PM, R Losey wrote:
>
> >
> > You misunderstood. I don't want a script to move the working files - I
> > was wondering if there were some setting t
all of them. That requires a level of both code and multiple OS
> familiarity that few of us posess and those that do generally have more
> pressing problems to address.
Perhaps more pressing problems, yes. But the code already has a path to open
files on all OSes; the point is only to mak
On 8/10/2024 10:15 PM, R Losey wrote:
You misunderstood. I don't want a script to move the working files - I
was wondering if there were some setting that would put the working
files (the temporary .gnucash file and the logs) in a separate
directory. It turns out there isn't, so
David,
I agree. Additionally, there are many different ways to remedy the situation--
as noted by others in the thread (omitting log files for backup, for example).
Moreover, it doesn't take a huge effort to work out your own solution. I, for
example, took a half hour and threw togethe
few of us posess and those that do generally have more
pressing problems to address.
On Sat, 2024-08-10 at 11:45 -0500, R Losey wrote:
> I haven't done a lot of customization with my GnuCash system.
>
> My data file - MyData.gnucash is in the same directory as what I call
> the
On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 2:26 PM Michael or Penny Novack via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> >> My data file - MyData.gnucash is in the same directory as what I call
> the
> >> "working" files -- the MyData.gnucash..gnucash and the
> &g
ectory as what I call the
> > "working" files -- the MyData.gnucash..gnucash and the
> > MyData.gnucash..log files.
> >
> > Is there some way that these working files can be created in a separate
> > directory?
>
> No. It's been discussed many tim
On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 1:12 PM Brook Milligan wrote:
>
> > On Aug 10, 2024, at 12:04 PM, John Ralls wrote:
> >
> > That said, you could tune your backup program to exclude the backup and
> log files or you could switch to the SQLite3 backend that modifies the dat
On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 1:04 PM John Ralls wrote:
>
>
> > On Aug 10, 2024, at 09:45, R Losey wrote:
> >
> > I haven't done a lot of customization with my GnuCash system.
> >
> > My data file - MyData.gnucash is in the same directory as what I call the
On 2024-08-10 11:11, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) wrote:
On 2024-08-10 09:45, R Losey wrote:
I haven't done a lot of customization with my GnuCash system.
My data file - MyData.gnucash is in the same directory as what I call the
"working" files -- the MyData.gnucash..
My data file - MyData.gnucash is in the same directory as what I call the
"working" files -- the MyData.gnucash..gnucash and the
MyData.gnucash..log files.
Is there some way that these working files can be created in a separate
directory?
I am backing up the GnuCash data directo
> On Aug 10, 2024, at 12:04 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>
> That said, you could tune your backup program to exclude the backup and log
> files or you could switch to the SQLite3 backend that modifies the data file
> in place and so doesn’t make backup files (which are really t
On 2024-08-10 09:45, R Losey wrote:
> I haven't done a lot of customization with my GnuCash system.
>
> My data file - MyData.gnucash is in the same directory as what I call the
> "working" files -- the MyData.gnucash..gnucash and the
> MyData.gnucash..log file
> On Aug 10, 2024, at 09:45, R Losey wrote:
>
> I haven't done a lot of customization with my GnuCash system.
>
> My data file - MyData.gnucash is in the same directory as what I call the
> "working" files -- the MyData.gnucash..gnucash and the
> MyData.gn
I haven't done a lot of customization with my GnuCash system.
My data file - MyData.gnucash is in the same directory as what I call the
"working" files -- the MyData.gnucash..gnucash and the
MyData.gnucash..log files.
Is there some way that these working files can be create
The FAQ was helpful (look for MRU).
For some reason, my Fedora Linux 37 with GnuCash 4.14 has both locations
for maxfiles
that are mentioned in the FAQ.
Anyway, I got what I need. Thanks.
On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 5:05 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:
> And I see it i
On 7/7/2024 8:29 AM, Fred Tydeman wrote:
Is there a way to have the list of files/books have more than 4?
Let's make sure what you are asking.
First -- that list is NOT how many files (sets of books) you can have.
It is just a "most recently open" list. So it provides a shor
And I see it is in the Wiki FAQ.
Regards,
Adrien
On 7/7/24 9:57 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Found it surprisingly fast:
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-January/094869.html
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Found it surprisingly fast:
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-January/094869.html
(and not as old of a thread as I thought, or maybe there were others)
Regards,
Adrien
On 7/7/24 9:54 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
I could be mistaken, but I thought this was a hidden preferenc
n the topic, but many years ago.
Regards,
Adrien
On 7/7/24 7:29 AM, Fred Tydeman wrote:
Is there a way to have the list of files/books have more than 4?
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> >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 05:01:12PM -0400, Victor Rotenberg wrote:
> >>> I want files the gnucash files (v5.6 flatpak install) to save into
> >>> /home/documents/gnudata.) . Instead it places the files .log, .lck
> >>> ,gnucash, into the home direct
file was opened from.
-derek
On Sat, June 29, 2024 9:48 am, Chris Green wrote:
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 05:01:12PM -0400, Victor Rotenberg wrote:
I want files the gnucash files (v5.6 flatpak install) to save into
/home/documents/gnudata.) . Instead it places the files .log, .lck
,gnucash, into the
HI,
This is a limitation of Flatpak.
If you install GnuCash natively then it will save it back to the same
directory where the file was opened from.
-derek
On Sat, June 29, 2024 9:48 am, Chris Green wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 05:01:12PM -0400, Victor Rotenberg wrote:
>> I want
I don't use that distribution, but can't you File | Save As and save
everything into another directory? I assume you tried this, but just in
case
Michael
On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 8:50 AM Chris Green wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 05:01:12PM -0400, Victor Rotenberg wrote:
>
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 05:01:12PM -0400, Victor Rotenberg wrote:
> I want files the gnucash files (v5.6 flatpak install) to save into
> /home/documents/gnudata.) . Instead it places the files .log, .lck
> ,gnucash, into the home directory above all my other working folders.
>
I want files the gnucash files (v5.6 flatpak install) to save into
/home/documents/gnudata.) . Instead it places the files .log, .lck
,gnucash, into the home directory above all my other working folders.
Right now I found a workaround. Manually, I create the folder
/home/documents/gnudata and
ng to import my
> old Quicken 2007 Mac OS X files.
>
> I used Quicken only as a check register, nothing else (no investments,
> pie-charts, financial overviews, whatever), so it’s just one single big
> checkbook register covering about 15 years.
>
> That and a few other (very s
"Download
GnuCash 5.6") the bottom link on the resulting page is "View all GnuCash
downloads" giving
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/
which should get you what you want
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Hi!
I’m new to GnuCash (terrific experience so far!) and am trying to import my old
Quicken 2007 Mac OS X files.
I used Quicken only as a check register, nothing else (no investments,
pie-charts, financial overviews, whatever), so it’s just one single big
checkbook register covering about 15
in most of
them, certainly in Windows, you can double-click the data file, once you
find it (using David Cousens' suggestions), and GnuCash will open,
placing a pointer to the file in position 1 in the history list for
future reference.
Do you by any chance have your GnuCash data files on an ex
t know how
you have data files structured on your computer so what follows is just
an example.
Let's say several months ago you had gnucash data directory under
documents and you had another directory "financial stuff", You decided,
hey gnucash data is financial data so I'
Bob
Your file will have the format ".gnucash".
It will also likely have a group of backup and log files in the same
directory with formats .gnucash..gnucash and
.gnucash..log depending on your preference
settings.
Do you know what Gnucash version you were running previously (a
I hadn’t used gnucash for several months due to illness. I tried to open and
access my data but got a message the file 'could not be found. The file is in
the history list, do you want to remove it?’
I selected ‘no’ and the app quit. I downloaded the latest version of the app
and tried aga
/download.phtml
(2) Upgrade to the latest nightly build that contains the fix
https://code.gnucash.org/builds/
(3) Wait until GnuCash 5.7 is released.
Regards
Geoff
=
On 8/04/2024 6:41 am, Beryl Lymer wrote:
I have been importing QIF files into GNUcash successfully for several years
lly imported both my Bank Statement and Credit
Card QIF
files on Windows 10 using this nightly build:
gnucash-5.6-2024-04-06-git-5.6-9-gcab6173cd5+.setup.exe
If anyone is interested, this is the layout of my QIF files.
Only the
first two transac
+fromvendor=outtacyte@gnucash.org] On Behalf Of
Jim Passmore
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2024 6:01 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Import QIF files
Beryl,
I can't help on the specifics as I only occasionally do imports. I will
give the request to supply your operating syste
doing an import. The other user was
using the recently released version 5.6.
--
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On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 6:38 PM Beryl Lymer wrote:
> I have been importing QIF files into GNUcash successfully for several
> years. However, for recent files, I am getting
I have been importing QIF files into GNUcash successfully for several years.
However, for recent files, I am getting an error of ‘MISSING QIF INVESTMENT
ACTION FOR TRANSACTION DATED xx/xx/. The erroneous transaction seems to be
the last of those imported. The import will not complete. I
wrote:
>
>> Hi Christopher
>>
>> Thanks for resolving this so quickly.
>>
>> I have successfully imported both my Bank Statement and Credit Card QIF
>> files on Windows 10 using this nightly build:
>>
>> gnucash-5.6-2024-04-06-git-5.6-9-gcab6173cd5+.setu
gt;
> Thanks for resolving this so quickly.
>
> I have successfully imported both my Bank Statement and Credit Card QIF
> files on Windows 10 using this nightly build:
>
> gnucash-5.6-2024-04-06-git-5.6-9-gcab6173cd5+.setup.exe
>
> If anyone is interested, this is the layou
Hi Christopher
Thanks for resolving this so quickly.
I have successfully imported both my Bank Statement and Credit Card QIF
files on Windows 10 using this nightly build:
gnucash-5.6-2024-04-06-git-5.6-9-gcab6173cd5+.setup.exe
If anyone is interested, this is the layout of my QIF files
Apologize if this is a duplicate, sometimes I'm not sure if my post
actually gets sent out. The QIF importer in Gnucash 5.6 gives me the same
error for my credit card import even though the same file works in Quicken
and in Gnucash 5.5. I had to reinstall Gnucash 5.5.
As an aside, my experience
Correct Geoff, and the latest nightlies will have the correct fix.
https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/stable/
On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, 12:10 pm Geoff, wrote:
> I suspect this bug fix in the 5.6 release notes is the cause:
>
> Bug 799225 - QIF Importer Crashes Silently after "Start Import" Button
That's not always the case. Some brokerages (Schwab, for example) pull the
money into an account directly, from which shares are purchased at some later
date. It's essentially a cash based asset account, but it doesn't appear
separately to the user.
One way to handle this is to place these tran
QIF importer in Gnucash 5.6 gives me the same error for my credit card
import even though the same file works in Quicken and in Gnucash 5.5. I
reinstalled Gnucash 5.5.
If I understand your comment corrrectly, the format of the qif file, with
and with the first lines of the sample qif file below,
I suspect this bug fix in the 5.6 release notes is the cause:
Bug 799225 - QIF Importer Crashes Silently after "Start Import" Button:
Don't allow a QIF investment transaction without an action (buy/sell/etc)
I *think* it was intended to block *investment* transactions but it
appears to have b
Bryan
This problem seems to be caused by the latest update (5.6) .I import
direct from a bank and got the same error message but when I used an
earlier version (5.4) transactions imported OK. Problem has been reported
in another thread.
Ian
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Bryan, I believe "something" is purchased when you move money into an IRA.
For me, it's a money market fund with the share price a constant $1.
Michael
On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 5:28 PM Bryan B. wrote:
> I've tried several different methods to export a .qif file from quicken and
> import it into G
I've tried several different methods to export a .qif file from quicken and
import it into GnuCash.
The process of importing the file goes fine until I reach the part where
the actual import occurs. Then I get this type of message:
"Missing QIF investment action for transaction dated 08/31/2023."
Hi,
My GnuCash data file somehow got corrupted and I cannot open it. I have
found earlier data file from a certain date that I can open I am trying
to use the log files to discover which entries were made into GnuCash
after the date of the data file that I can use. Most of the log fiel I
have
tion logs to a different directory and back them up as part of regular
> backup process. I'd also want to remove the old log files automatically.
> Thanks!
>
> On 9/11/23 4:25 PM, John Ralls wrote:
>> Yes, log.conf is a user-created file, there is no default. Note that that
I am glad you pointed out the difference btw trace and transaction
logs. Is there anyway to configure the transaction logging? I'd like
to dump the transaction logs to a different directory and back them up
as part of regular backup process. I'd also want to remove the old
.3 on Mac, the data directory and config
> directory of GC is the same on Mac at /Users/username/Library/Application
> Support/GnuCash, and the log files are in the translog directory underneath.
> However, the log.conf file is nowhere to find (supposed to be located at
>
Thanks John! Apparently in version 5.3 on Mac, the data directory and
config directory of GC is the same on Mac at
/Users/username/Library/Application Support/GnuCash, and the log files
are in the translog directory underneath. However, the log.conf file is
nowhere to find (supposed to be
On 9/11/2023 12:30 PM, john wrote:
The MySQL and PostgresQL backends write the transaction logs to
GNC_CONFIG_DIR/translog. See
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations to see where
GNC_CONFIG_DIR is on your OS.
Regards,
John Ralls
Or . use the search tools of your OS (to f
m using sqlite on Mac and I have log files. Though I don't see them
> generated often. I'm not sure if that is because I rarely close the app
> except for updates.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 9/11/23 4:15 AM, sunfish62--- via gnucash-user wrote:
>> Others
I'm using sqlite on Mac and I have log files. Though I don't see them
generated often. I'm not sure if that is because I rarely close the app
except for updates.
Regards,
Adrien
On 9/11/23 4:15 AM, sunfish62--- via gnucash-user wrote:
Others will correct me, but my understand
Others will correct me, but my understanding is that the log files are not used
with the database backend, since the changes are committed immediately.
David T.
On Sep 11, 2023, 9:03 AM, at 9:03 AM, Jediator
wrote:
>Hi GC users, I am using GC (version 5.3) on Mac. I noticed that the
&
Hi GC users, I am using GC (version 5.3) on Mac. I noticed that the log
files are generated in the same directory of the GC data file
(sqlite3). But I couldn't find the log files after switching to a
remote database server. The info on the GC wiki on logging seems to be
outdated, as I
On 2023-08-31 08:38, David Carlson wrote:
> Back in the day when I used Windows fairly regularly and before Windows 7
> (i.e. Windows XP or Vista or even earlier days) when it may have been
> installed into a 32 bit computer, it was fairly common to see Windows using
> special foreshortened name
hat used to
have 32 bit computers who did not structure our file systems with clearly
defined user folders and some of us even thought it was ok to put user
files in Windows folders or even just in the 'C' drive where they were
'easy to find'.
We do
On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 5:15 AM Maf. King wrote:
> I also note, and it may be a typo by Barry, but the user often being
> called
> the "Administrator" account by some people on the list has been listed in
> a
> file path by Barry more than once as "administrato"
>
> What I'm saying is that there
ns to this PC when I first got it, a while
> back, several names were applied, barry mahon, finbar mahon,
> administration, and administrato, The latter one if 'good'
>
> As to attach, maybe it my misunderstanding. I have a screen in a file
> in 'This PC' with a list
mahon, finbar mahon,
> administration, and administrato, The latter one if 'good'
>
> As to attach, maybe it my misunderstanding. I have a screen in a file
> in 'This PC' with a list of files from gnu. If I do 'attach' (top RHS)
> it appears, but if
On 2023-08-28 08:05, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
> With regards to Nigel's comment, over the past month and a half,
> there have been well over a hundred messages sprinkled across
> eight different threads that seek to address the situation. At
> some point, it would seem that the problems can
mahon,
administration, and administrato, The latter one if 'good'
As to attach, maybe it my misunderstanding. I have a screen in a file
in 'This PC' with a list of files from gnu. If I do 'attach' (top RHS)
it appears, but if I then click Add Attachment the files s
gt;save
>issue. then Barry will have to clean up the inevitable missing txns
>that
>were made in backup files only.
>
>@Nigel Stapley. ISTR the user Mahon Finbar has been on the list for
>years,
>only occasionally having problems which I think have been solved in the
&
nd into a folder in the "Barry" tree. find the most
recently changed file(s) and go from there (in a new folder) with the save
issue. then Barry will have to clean up the inevitable missing txns that
were made in backup files only.
@Nigel Stapley. ISTR the user Mahon Finbar has b
That's mostly my fault on the 'administrato' vs. 'administator' issue.
But I only kept typing that because Barry reported a file path at one
point with that spelling, and I wasn't certain of a possible different
language in use, so I didn't correct it. If Barry transcribed the file
path instea
On Monday, 28 August 2023 00:14:09 BST Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > > > No one ever requested this,
I even said in a prior post to Barry specifically *never* to send his
"production" GC file(s) to the list.
I also note, and it may be a typo by Barry, but the user often being called
t
are compatible with this list.
--
Here goes with an attachment - recent files in tax accounts and returns,
as I said, not used as gnucash data from loading, recently, but seem to
have recently saved files. Further mystery.
Not a mystery. You clearly are not paying attention to where you are
d CaptureWiz but it doesn't save as gps
>
> Here goes with an attachment - recent files in tax accounts and returns,
> as I said, not used as gnucash data from loading, recently, but seem to
> have recently saved files. Further mystery.
>
> My question now is can I and how do I
You do not need to do anything with the gnucash files to send a screenshot.
We DO NOT need you to send the actual gnucash files.
You can't copy/paste images here. They are removed.
You have to ATTACH the screenshots.
What mail application are you using to access this list?
Regards,
A
Yes, I am aware of that, but, for reasons I don't know, I have been
unable to a) select a list of GNU files and then rename them and b) copy
and paste as an alternative.
Thanks for the info, Barry
On 26/08/2023 23:26, Carsten Hütter wrote:
Hi Barry!
In this newsgroup, screenshots need
ues before this saga, so
should I assume I have had 'rights' to save documents under administrato??
When you say 'truncated' does that mean you cannot see the CaptureWiz
images?? I have had issues all along with Gnucash needing specific file
types to display files for messag
On Friday, 25 August 2023 16:31:47 BST Mahon Finbar wrote:
> As I said, I have had unresolved issues with creating .jpg files from MS.
did you? sorry, must have missed that bit. is it easier to send a PNG? that
should get through as an attached image well enough.
>
> I'
CCing to the list.
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Subject: Re: [GNC] Issues with gnucash files
Date: Friday, 25 August 2023, 13:52:20 BST
From: Maf. King
To: Mahon Finbar
On Friday, 25 August 2023 09:58:22 BST you wrote:
> Thanks to all.
>
> On the issue of rights, I h
with Gnucash needing specific file
types to display files for messages, does that apply to gnucash-user??
For reasons I don't understand I have never been able to copy files from
Gnu in my MS Windows10 to the 'required' format, for queries about
Gnucash!! Quite frustrating.
Your last message was truncated before the salient part, but I suspect that
you do not have rights for GnuCash to save files in administrato user space.
You need to unscramble which username is your 'standard' username and put
all your user files including other types from other applica
Thanks for the details, OK, here goes.
I opened this file in Gnu -
No 'log' It had a 'save' icon and when I try to save it I get this -
That is the problem. There is plenty of space.
Finbar
On 24/08/2023 18:28, Maf. King wrote:
Barry,
thanks for the update.
The *.log
On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 10:15 AM Mahon Finbar via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> This is an update of sorts of a long series of messages here since I had
> an issue with saving my transactions at the end of July.
>
> I was unable to copy and send GNU files
al 'good' file I was
working on and continue. I would be quite happy to try on the dates in
the last few days of July, but where to start?
Can anyone identify a likely candidate? For example in the screengrab
there are a series of files with 496kb on the same time and date on 30
July, but I
This is an update of sorts of a long series of messages here since I had
an issue with saving my transactions at the end of July.
I was unable to copy and send GNU files to the kind people who tried to
help me. I have no idea why, copy and paste after changing to the file
type required just
I agree an option would be best with sub-folders as what I'd call a
'sane default'.
As for the OPs files, I suspect the search wasn't required, but maybe
seemed to be useful for a directory with *lots* of files. (It also might
be a case of familiarity with search and limi
On 2023-08-06 08:58, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> I can see the benefit to having logs and backup files together with the
> data, but I'd prefer if they were in their own sub-directories
> automatically.
If I had a binary choice to put autosaves and logfiles "in same folder&q
I'm guessing there was supposed to be an attachment, but it didn't come
through.
Regards,
Adrien
On 8/6/23 8:38 AM, Mahon Finbar via gnucash-user wrote:
Is this what you need??
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On Sat, Jul 15, 2023 at 5:33 PM Stan Brown
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> On 2023-07-15 14:42, R Losey wrote:
> > And, if an email is long, or if there is much back-and-forth, one must
> > scroll to see replies, even if they are simple. Having them at the top
> > is easier to see... and being "out of order" is not
On 17/07/2023 10:48, David T. wrote:
That would be *OpenStacks* convention.
Most mailing lists follow those conventions.
Paul.
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That would be *OpenStacks* convention.
By all means, impose their rules here!
David T.
P.S. The amount of energy expended on this topic is amazing to me--and I note
that NONE of you Authorities On Email Etiquette bothered to change the subject
of this thread to reflect the completely new (an
On 15/07/2023 01:56, R Losey wrote:
Is there really a convention for replies?
Indeed there is:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette#Replies
Paul Feakins.
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And then there is the problem that sometimes, quoted material gets
unquoted, or quote levels are removed and the sender didn't notice that
some of it effectively became unquoted and now appears as their own writing.
Will,
Your recent post below is a top post with a reference quote from Stan
w
Yes, I am a top poster, but not always.
I don't view most of these topics as 'conversations'. My post is usually
its own thing on a shared subject.
I only include a relevant quote for reference or context. If someone
wants that reference or context, they can scroll and read. Those that
don't
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