Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Chris Zielinski
Richard,In this context, you may be interested in a post I recently submitted to the Healthcare Information for All (HIFA) list in the context of a HIFA discussion of this topic:-- Original Message -- To: HIFA - Healthcare Information For All Date: 18 April 2018

[GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Richard Poynder
To try and get a sense of how open access looks from different parts of the world, particularly as the strategy of engineering a global "flip" of subscription journals to a pay-to-publish gold OA model gains more traction, I am interested in talking to open access advocates in different parts of

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Velterop
The thing is, Chris, that payments, be they APCs or subscription charges, are for the 'service' of publisher-mediated peer review (plus 'prestige ribbons') and access to publisher-mediated peer-reviewed (and 'ribboned') articles. They are not for publishing one's research results per se. That

Re: [GOAL] 1findr: research discovery & analytics platform

2018-04-25 Thread Éric Archambault
Hi Peter We have opened access to our search platform for free. I the search platform there is a filter to easily identify open access papers. When you find open access papers you can download them for free. I think this is relevant for GOAL. Éric Eric Archambault, PhD CEO | Chef de la

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread David Prosser
As somebody who lives and works in the global north I can’t claim to have any particular insight into this issue, but I do wonder whether the way we treat access to content and access to publishing routes as symmetrical problems is helpful. Say I am a reader and I want to have read a paper

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Jan Velterop
Chris, Your first point in particular is a valid one, of course, but the question is whether publication in academic journals do indeed reach beyond the confines of the ivory tower. It is my impression that it only does in rare instances, or via journalistic ‘translations’ in non-academic

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Chris Zielinski
Regarding the comments of David Prosser and Jan Velterop, I would note that for researchers working on health services or health systems research in a developing country, the purpose of publishing in an international journal can be twofold: 1) to solicit an international eye on what they are

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
I agree with Jan. Read the Budapest Declaration of Open Access (Jan was a signatory). It is one of the most compelling documents in the last decade. (I have been tweeting it today): "he public good they make possible is the world-wide electronic distribution of the peer-reviewed journal

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Heather Morrison
Correction: Chris, you have the proportion of OA journals with APCs in reverse. Data and calculations follow. 73% of fully OA journals (about three quarters) do not charge APCs. To calculate go to DOAJ Advanced Search, select journals / articles select journals, and click on Article Processing

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Richard Poynder
Heather, Personally, I think that any statement that says that most OA journals do not charge an APC needs to be set alongside the following blog post by Hilda Bastian: http://blogs.plos.org/absolutely-maybe/2018/04/02/a-reality-check-on-author-access-to-open-access-publishing/ Extract:

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Heather Morrison
The Public Library of Science has done important work in the areas of open access advocacy and open access publishing. However, it is important to understand that PLOS is also a publishing business, even if it is not-for-profit. Their business model is based on APCs. PLOS staff arguing on the

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
I agree with Ricky and Hilda that the "most journals charge no APCs" is misleading. It's been around for years and has worried me. Assuming the normal power-law distribution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law) the following are by statistical definition true: * most journals have small

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Richard Poynder
Heather, I could be wrong, but I am thinking that you are implying that Hilda Bastian is an employee, or some kind of spokesperson, for PLOS. If so, you have inferred incorrectly. See this tweet: https://twitter.com/PLOS/status/989174553657032704?s=19 Richard On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, 16:21

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen)
Peter, Heather, Richard, Chris, others, agree with Peter that we should not simply use the mantra that most OA journals do not charge, as indeed those will mostly be the small ones. Would love to get some data on business models used per article in DOAJ covered journals. On the other hand,

Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa

2018-04-25 Thread Heather Morrison
hi Richard, I think it is reasonable to assume that PLOS bloggers are part of the PLOS community, whether they are paid by PLOS or not. Perhaps PLOS can speak to their policies and practices with respect to the PLOS blog. Although I am an OA advocate, I strongly oppose some of PLOS' advocacy