Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-22 Thread soter
Marshal wrote: Incidentally, the USA and Canada among the most affluent countries in the world have the highest number of psychiatric cases. Comment: Marshall, we do not need to support our case on the number of psychiatric cases in USA and Canada. All we need to do is measure the Goan

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-22 Thread marlon menezes
Marshal, just because Indian society frowns upon mental illness and keeps it behind the closet and just because the medical institutions do not have the resources to properly diagnose mental illness, does not mean that there is less of it there! Soter, it is not economic prosperity that is

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-22 Thread marlon menezes
What Soter says about prices of produce is correct. But is it not the unchecked powers of the government that is responsible for this? It works both ways - sometimes in favor of the farmers and sometimes in favor of the consumers. When the government imposes price controls or bans exports,

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-22 Thread soter
Marlon wrote: Soter, it is not economic prosperity that is leading to the surge in diabetes and cardio-vascular issues, but rather ignorance about diet and health. Yet another misdiagnosis by Soter, who seems to be advocating a return to an age of poverty and ignorance instead of affluence and

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-22 Thread soter
Marlon wrote: What Soter says about prices of produce is correct. But is it not the unchecked powers of the government that is responsible for this? It works both ways - sometimes in favor of the farmers and sometimes in favor of the consumers. When the government imposes price controls or

[Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-21 Thread Marshall Mendonza
Soter: I am sorry, as you say we live in different worlds and we are happy in our world. We do not measure our progress in dollars and pounds. Money is not everything for us. Comment: It is useful to remember that money isn’t everything. There are many things that cannot be had for money. Here’s

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost II

2011-02-21 Thread Mervyn Lobo
soter wrote: I think you are just passing your time now. Now you embark upon comparing a youth in Canada with that in Goa. Is that a fair parallel you are trying to draw? Yes, the youth in Goa wants to sell his services to the highest bidder and today is not restricted to the highest bidder

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-21 Thread Mervyn Lobo
Marshall Mendonza wrote: Incidentally, the USA and Canada among the most affluent countries in the world have the highest number of psychiatric cases. Marshall, I this part of the belief system or do you have the evidence to support your statement? Mervyn1409Lobo

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-20 Thread Mervyn Lobo
soter wrote: If it is cheap labour that was the problem then the machines have now been put into operation in several areas. This should fix the problem if it is so simple. Mervyn acknowledges that farm work is back breaking but no sooner the onions and potato prices increase, we have the 'town

[Goanet] Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-20 Thread Elvino Rodrigues
What Soter wrote about one family extending help to another family in labour requirement for cultivation during those times is very much true. I remember, my maternal grandmother had a field attached to her plot where she resided. We were 5 members including my mother, 3 sisters and myself

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-20 Thread soter
Mervyn wrote: Now let me try and make my point as clear as I can. Hunting, gathering and farming are occupations for those with little or no education. Those who have to make their living from these activities, are in economic hardships. Those who have moved away from these activities have a

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-20 Thread Mervyn Lobo
soter wrote: I know a woman from Pondataluka who just makes a living by growing 'Zaieo' flowers and vegetables and has an annual income of around 1 lakh. She has educated 3 children who have also graduated but continue to help her. I know a farmer in Mapusa whose 2 sons have graduated and

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-20 Thread soter
Mervyn wrote: Here in Canada, a teenager, working at his first job, can earn 1 lakh rupees PER MONTH. That kind of income would still leave him at poverty levels. Any farmer with an ANNUAL income of 1 lakh rupees can only be living a life of sustenance. For economic progress, one needs savings.

[Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-19 Thread pinheiro
Marlon Wrote: No matter how you (or Soter) attempt to slice and dice it - the fact remains that the obsolete labor intensive methods of agriculture cannot survive without low cost labor. - Response. Marlon, you seem to be pretty obsessed with low cost labour. I have a

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-19 Thread Mervyn Lobo
pinheiro wrote: Why United States the so-called free market economy powerhouse/the world superpower gives subsidies to its farmers? Are these subsidies found/grown in US farms too? http://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=0

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-19 Thread soter
Mervyn wrote: As a former farm labourer, I can assure all here that farm work is back breaking and the sure path to poverty. Real economic progress comes from industrialisation. Green/golden rice fields should remain only in the realms of nostalgics and dreamers. comment: This is typical 'town

[Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost manual labour

2011-02-18 Thread Carmen Miranda
It was good to learn the reasons why our agriculture in Goa is in serious decline. Given that climate change is already creating havoc world wide and serious impact on food production, food security especially in countries like India is a serious issue. Any suggestions to get our agriculture

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost

2011-02-18 Thread marlon menezes
Pinheiro, No matter how you (or Soter) attempt to slice and dice it - the fact remains that the obsolete labor intensive methods of agriculture cannot survive without low cost labor. If in case you missed it, I vaguely mentioned it on the subject header. Unless you wish to invent a backwards

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost manual labor

2011-02-17 Thread soter
Elvino wrote: It is not the exact truth why agriculture is a dying industry in Goa that it is because of the lack of manpower. People have stopped cultivating lands because it is not feasible due to high cost of Labour in Goa now. The migrant if welcomed by Marlon they are still excessively

Re: [Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost manual labour

2011-02-17 Thread Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão
COMMENT : Soter has forgotten one main reason that started the downfall of our rice cultivation. Both the Acts, Mundkar Act and the Agricultural tenancy Act were vote oriented Acts by Bandodkar. It was put into the heads of the populace that they were bonded labourers like in the

[Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost manual labor

2011-02-16 Thread Elvino Rodrigues
It is not the exact truth why agriculture is a dying industry in Goa that it is because of the lack of manpower. People have stopped cultivating lands because it is not feasible due to high cost of Labour in Goa now. The migrant if welcomed by Marlon they are still excessively available in Goa

[Goanet] Death of Goa's fields - thanks to the lack of low cost manual labor

2011-02-15 Thread marlon menezes
This is another example of hypocrisy by anti-immigrant, non-resident pseudo Goans like Arwin and Rajan. One reason why agriculture is a dying industry in Goa because of the lack of manpower. There is limited manpower thanks to the large out flow of Goans, like Arwin and Rajan to other parts of