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Indian English
The family tree of a mongrel language
Aug 9th 2011, 14:54 by L.M. | LONDON
WHILE Americans and Britons squabbled last month over who’s doing what
to whose language, English-speakers in India could only wonder what the
fuss was all about. Indians—and indeed Britons—have been
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011
14:00:42 -0700, Santosh Helekar wrote: It is well known among
linguists that the grammar of a language in its spoken form varies with its
dialect. Here is a
general description of grammatical
variations in the dialects of English in the United Kingdom provided by
the
It is well known among linguists that the grammar of a language in its spoken
form varies with its dialect. Here is a general description of grammatical
variations in the dialects of English in the United Kingdom provided by the
British Library:
A nice young Indian man arrives at Kennedy airport, New York, in his smart
black
leather jacket bought at Dharavi Leather Emporium, Bombay.
The ruddy-looking Customs Officer looks at his red Samsonite suitcase, smelling
slightly of samosas and chakris, and asks suspiciously, are you carrying
that have forgotten the initial posting, it was:
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:36:40 +0400 From: eugene.corr...@gmail.com To:
goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Indian English How true……… 1.
'Passing out' When you complete your studies at an educational
institution, you graduate from
--- On Mon, 6/20/11, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com
wrote:
COMMENTS : There cannot be dialect and styles of the English language. There
can be only corrupted or rather spurious versions by different people or
nations with inclusions of words from local languages.
Dr Reis, There are many different dialects or styles of speaking
English across the globe; which are you referring to? Indian English
is one of the accepted variants, though obviously not as influential
and powerful on the global English dining table!
But that may change. India is already the
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:04:06 -0700 Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
*فريدريك نورونيا
wrote :This
has been debated at quite some length, probably before Dr Reis Falcão took an
active part in the discussions. I
find nothing wrong with the terms uncle and aunty. In Konkani (and other
Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão wrote:
COMMENT : Sorry; I was not talking or referring to other languages.
I was talking about English. And in English it is definitely wrong. Try
addressing people that way when abroad in an English speaking nation. That was
precisely why it is “Indian
The first para sounds feudal to me! The second, pure bias? FN
2011/6/19 Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com
COMMENT : When one addresses a person as “Sir” or “Madam”, it shows one’s
education and class; and not the contrary “Mentally pobres”.
It is well known, even in my
On Sat Jun 18 14:15:21 PDT 2011 roland.francis at gmail.com wrote : Perhaps
while they were saying
Baba and Baie to all the Goan fidalgos most of whom were pobres
themselves(mentally at least), shouldn't they have been bowing to the ground
and touching the feet of the high-born Patraos?
People,
Avoid getting into this whole business of class, etc. Are we hurting so much
that we wish to point this that and the other? Are we representing one group
over another. Or aligning with notions of class/entitlement/privilege or
sheer satisfaction,. As in demanding satisfaction?! Are we
Dr Reis, There are many different dialects or styles of speaking
English across the globe; which are you referring to? Indian English
is one of the accepted variants, though obviously not as influential
and powerful on the global English dining table!
But that may change. India is already the
Why don’t you Goaneters first correct those who call anyone and
everyone “Uncle Aunties” ?
This, is “Chacha Chachi” translated from Hindi; which is
incorrect in English. Started most probably by Goans from Dhobitalao. And now
even the ghantis have learned to call out in the same manner.
Reis Falcão
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Why don’t you Goaneters first correct those who call anyone and
everyone “Uncle Aunties” ?
This, is “Chacha Chachi
This has been debated at quite some length, probably before Dr Reis
Falcão took an active part in the discussions.
I find nothing wrong with the terms uncle and aunty.
In Konkani (and other Indian languages), the word uncle does not
mean dad's/mum's brother and aunt doesn't equal dad's/mum's
How true………
1. 'Passing out'
When you complete your studies at an educational institution, you
graduate from that institution.
You do not pass out from that institution.
To pass out refers to losing consciousness, like after you get too
drunk, though I’m not sure how we managed to connect
This page strikes me as quite realistic and non-condescending too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English
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There are some Indian-origin professors of English in North America.
The one that immediately comes to mind are Rakesh Bhatt, Braj Kachru
and A.K Ramanujam, one of the finest Indian poets writing in English.
Bhatt has edited a book on World Englishes. I have read Kachru's essay
on Indian English
2011 13:36:40 +0400
From: eugene.corr...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Indian English
How true………
1. 'Passing out'
When you complete your studies at an educational institution, you
graduate from that institution.
You do not pass out from that institution
My favourite Indian essayist in English, in US, is Pico Iyer. AT
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:08:06 +0400
From: eugene.corr...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Indian English
There are some Indian-origin professors of English in North America.
The one that immediately
Alfred de Tavares likes Pico Iyer. True, he is a good essayist and his
work for Time magazine was good. But, you never know how the raw
copy looked before the Time editors shaped it. I have read hisVideo
Night in Kathmandu Nights, and many essays in periodicals. I think it
was in The Global
Vot man yu ar tohking??
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From: Naguesh Bhatcar sgbhat...@hotmail.com
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org; goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Indian English
Nice analysis of Indian English!
Here are a few more that I have come
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