date:20100113

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Re: [Goanet] Mestisos of Goa --- where are they?

2010-01-13 Thread N.M. Pinto

This is an interesting question about the whereabouts of mestisos.
Perhaps they're closer than you think.  Of the people of Goan ancestry
within my generation with who I have either met or corresponded over
the years, the majority of them always claim Portuguese ancestry.

It's almost always in some form of:
My great-great-grandfather was Portguese you know!

This has left the impression with many non-Goans (including other
south-Asians) that almost *all* Goan Catholics are some varying degree
of mestiso.

I'm no expert in population genetics but, if this apparently common
claim of one Portguese ancestor is true, then as these Goans married
each other and continued to produce offspring, there would be Goans
out there with at least *two* or more Portuguese ancestors... right?

Yet many seem stick to that claim of the one great-great-grandfather
or whatever.

I always found it a bit humorous. ;-)

Happy 2010 everyone...

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   http://www.pintomusic.com




On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Jose writes:
I believe the operative word is Emigrating!

 You are right; on the other hand, so long as
 the audience gets it,  Babu Shabu pok difference!

 regards,
 Samir

Re: [Goanet] From one NRG to another: an open letter.

In response to (J. Colaco   jc)

Mogal Dotor Bab,

I prefer to be called an RG in preference to a GRG. Also my finances are
kindda down now and so I am eagerly awaiting your next remittance. And while
you are at it, my relation Xavier needs a visa to the West Indies as the
climate here is becoming unbearable for him. ;-)

Mog soddanch assundi ani Ammrikki dollarancho paus poddunm amcher.

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[Goanet] Daily Grook #607

2010-01-13 Thread Francis Rodrigues


DAILY GROOK #607
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i say milky rebels
be put to da sword,
for moo'tineeer is
really a cow word!


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Re: [Goanet] Ref. Archbishop's letter.

2010-01-13 Thread Mervyn Lobo

floriano wrote:
 It looks like speech writers and letter drafters  are putting things on paper 
 for the head of 
 the Church to read out or to post. And these speech writers and letter 
 drafters must be 
 reputable lawyers and politicians. This whole thing stinks to high heavens.





floriano,
You sort of disappoint me.
If I remember correctly, you bursted onto the Goanet scene, last century, with 
a complaint
about the ringing of church bells in your village. 


Today, both you and the Archbishop have chosen not to address the issue of the 
ringing of the 
church bells to call the 'faithful' to order. And the 'order' was to march to 
and stone someone 
house and property.


We live in interesting times...


Mervyn1128Lobo


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[Goanet] Good figure is good for health

2010-01-13 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

Good figure is good for health!
See link below:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8451674.stm

Regards, GL

[Goanet] From one RG to another an open letter.

Dear Brother and Sister R G's.

 It is a common perception among NRGs, that :

1. Each and every one of our RGs is a good-for-nothing waiting only for a
hand out from the NRG brothers and sisters and waiting with an open mouth
for the next visa to fall from their NRG relations.
2. Goa is a mess and that we are incapable of doing anything about it. But
they forget, that it is we and only we that can effectively change what is
happening in Goa. They can only preach and give us advice which is based on
their own frame of reference which no longer holds validity in the reality
of Goa today.
3. So Goa is corrupt. So Goa has open cast mines. America has no corruption?
Nor Britain, nor France, nor Germany, nor Australia? So you my dear NRG
friends will have me and my other gullible brothers believe that these
countries are pristine. Of course  you have corruption but it is guised in a
semblance of legality like the CEO of a company (I think it was Lehman Bros)
who took millions just to liquidate the company. And no, there is no Mafia -
these hoods belong to backward countries like India and in particular the
state of Goa. There is no open cast mining? What about the rape of the land
in the American coal mines? What about the human tragedy that we read about?
And what about the destruction to the environment that has been caused by
the west. Our NRG irmaoes endorse these things - after all the West can do
no wrong. What about the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki even when
the Americans knew that the Japanese were losing the war - that was
perfectly
4.We can only be saved by the advice rather the 'pontificating' of some NRGs
from their comfort zones.
5. Please don't call foren Goans 'bootlickers' it hurts their pride,Use
'toadies' or some such term.
6. Please don't remind the NRGs - at least those who pontificate on Goanet
that they are 'second class' citizens of their newly acquired nationalities
7. Please remind the NRGs that they are free to go walkabout in Harlem,
Soho, etc whenever they feel like. It is perfectly safe.
8. Please don't ever tell them, 'Mid pleasures and palaces though we may
roam,Be it ever so humble, there's no place like home;'

-- 

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[Goanet] Talking Photos: Penha de Franca - Views from the other sides

Penha de Franca - Views from other sides
 
from the river (Mandovi)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4253534569/sizes/l/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4253533085/sizes/o/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4254298884/sizes/l/
 
Other view (Britona)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4217687704/sizes/l/
 
inside (main Altar)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4005206297/
 
from Ribanbdar (Patto)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3488181709/sizes/l/
 
from Ribandar top -beautiful
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3564512475/sizes/l/
 
from Bambolim
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3651156249/sizes/l/
 


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[Goanet] Talking photos: Which one of the two is a Church?

Which one is a chapel or church?
 
they both almost adjacent to each other
It is at Aquem Margao (near Cine Vishant)
 
This was captured from the bus - on way to Chandor 3 kings feast
 
This one 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4271297018/sizes/l/
 
or
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches/4258945844/sizes/l/




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[Goanet] How to Lick Bad Breath and Dry Mouth | LiveScience

2010-01-13 Thread Con Menezes

Bad Breath?? Heres how to get rid of it.

Con
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[Goanet] Goan doctor in London offers Rs 10 lakh for Indian hockey players

NEW DELHI: Pained by the hockey turmoil, an Indian doctor in London
has offered Rs 10 lakh for the players who are staying away from World
Cup preparatory camp in Pune in protest against non-payment of their
dues and incentives.

Hockey Olympian and former chief coach Joaquim Carvalho said that Dr
James Leitao, a former student of Mumbai's Grand Medical College, has
decided to pay Rs 10 lakh for the protesting players, requesting them
to return to the camp and train for the World Cup which begins in New
Delhi on February 28.

Dr Leitao has urged the players to put behind their difference and
rejoin the camp to represent India in the World Cup, Carvalho said.

He happened to read about the stand-off between the players and
Hockey India and said he was rather disturbed over the imbroglio.

That's why he decided to pay the money and also promised to contact
hockey-minded Indian friends in England and raise more money for the
players, he said.

Besides, Dr Leitao, who himself played hockey in London leagues, also
promised to donate his Goa residence to the Indian players if they
manage a podium finish in the World Cup.

If they manage the feat, it would be upto the players, what they want
to do with the property -- sell, rent or utilise the facility,
Carvalho added.

Earlier, negotiation collapsed between the players and HI in Pune,
creating a new low for Indian hockey.

[Goanet] Roshan Dantis acted with ‘chilling co mposure’

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime-courts/mundane-routine-of-the-brutal-textbook-murderer-1.997921

Mundane routine of the brutal textbook murderer
On the surface Roshan Dantis followed such an unremarkable routine on
the day of the murder it would be difficult to see how he could have
been involved.

En route to his friend’s house in Glasgow at midday on June 1 last
year he bought a pint of milk from Iceland – an act so routine that it
would raise no-one’s suspicion.

He then took a taxi under a false name to visit Kusbu Shah, 23, his
friend’s wife in Dennistoun. Mrs Shah had only met Dantis once
previously but knew that he and her husband were close friends.

Then he took a taxi home, met his wife Astrid and went to see the
latest blockbuster at Cineworld on Renfrew Street.

Later that evening he went online and renewed his loan of Kathy
Reichs’s book, Devil Bones, that he had borrowed from Strathclyde
University.

I don’t know of any case in Scotland with evidence to suggest this
level of pre-meditation Detective Superintendent Michael Orr
It seemed like the most ordinary of days for the Strathclyde
University masters student.

However, it was while at his friend’s house that he committed a murder
he had spent more than six weeks planning.

After the young, 5ft 1ins mother opened the door, Dantis restrained
her, put tape over her mouth, attacked her with a cleaver, strangled
her and severed her head and hands. In the bath he drained her body of
blood, following procedures he had read about in both Reichs’s book
and the Forensic Case Book, which he also had at home.

Shortly afterwards he sent an anonymous text message to his classmate
and friend Nagendra Shah using the mobile phone of the woman he had
just killed. The text said his wife had been abducted.

Dantis, 30, had only been in the country for nine months. Originally
from Goa in India, he and his wife Astrid were in Glasgow while he
studied for a masters at Strathclyde University.

At night he worked as a security guard for G4S and was based
predominantly at Celtic Park. By day, the engineering student, was
studying business. His entries to online forums suggest he was
interested in attending further courses in information technology. It
was while on the masters course that he met Nagendra Shah and his
wife.

The Shahs had recently sold a property in London and were thinking
about opening a restaurant in the Shetland Islands. They owned a car
and television and had a four-year-old son called Nikhil, while Dantis
lived in “straitened financial circumstances”.

Jealousy is thought, in part, to have driven his actions.

In April last year Dantis began to make lists. One such list detailed
what he needed to buy and included a Chinese meat cleaver, a
balaclava, bleach, DIY tape and a clothes cover.

He also compiled a set of instructions labelled “chain of events”
including “change to other clothes”, “wait in room” and “finish the
job”. In Argos he bought the holdall that he would ultimately use to
dispose of Mrs Shah’s torso.

Computer experts found that he had also visited Strathclyde Police’s
website and accessed a web page named “suspicious death Dennistoun”
and, on June 7, he had searched for free legal aid in Glasgow.

Reichs’s book, which focuses on a forensic pathologist’s investigation
of ritualistic killings in the US, proved to be a major part of his
inspiration and set the tone of his own modus operandi.

In it the pathologist, Dr Temperance Brennan, discovers sacrificial
Voodoo and Santeria paraphernalia, cauldrons and a decapitated torso
drained of blood. The investigation ultimately reveals that the
cauldrons are a red herring being used to confuse the police.

When Nagendra Shah, 32, received a text message saying his wife had
been abducted he was terrified. His wife had failed to meet him at
lunchtime as planned and the text was from her phone. It said: “We
have your wife. Don’t call police we are watching you. If anyone is
told we will kill her and you.”

It went on to instruct him to arrange for £120,000 to be gathered and
for him to go immediately by train to London.

The message also stated: “No compromise or you all die. Further
instructions will follow soon once you are in London. Delete this
message, no records to be kept. Nobody will be harmed if you follow
instructions.”

As a means of proving he would be willing to co-operate he was told to
take his television and sell it to one of his university classmates –
a Mr Dantis – and that the abductors would be watching.

Distraught, when Mr Shah spoke to his close friend Dantis he urged him
to pay the money and not contact the police. Ignoring his advice he
telephoned the police and remembered Dantis’s face went dark.

Strathclyde Police began a major kidnap inquiry involving more than
100 officers and round the clock surveillance teams.

Dantis was placed under surveillance as the suspected kidnapper but
officers believed he was working with others. They watched him go

[Goanet] Is Goan Indian?

2010-01-13 Thread Xanno Moidecar

I accept that birth is one of the criteria that allow a person to claim 
citizenship of a country.

But this reminds me of the late British comedian Bernard Manning known for his 
xenophobic commentaries.  One of his quips that always drew a big laugh from 
the racists amongst his audience was: “Just because a bitch gives birth in a 
stable does not make her puppies racehorses.”

Now Mr Alvares, unpleasantly put as that was, tell me what besides birth makes 
you an Indian.

Also what does it make those born before 1963 when Goem was part of the 
Portuguese nation?  What about all those Goemcars born outside Goem?

I stress again, I do not want to insult you or your obvious pride in your 
Indian citizenship.  I am just worried that our pride and patriotism in our 
Indian-ness may be making us blind to the damage that Liberation has brought 
along with freedom and relative liberty.

I am still trying to make sense of the fact that in 1963 after having rid 
ourselves of the influences that drastically altered, if not destroyed our 
traditional culture; we have now been saddled with a plethora of other Indian 
nationalities vying like hell to make Goem in their own image.

I would have been extremely proud to declare my affection and pride in my mul 
Indian heritage if only my Goemcar one had been preserved and not swamped by an 
overwhelming tsunami bent on subjugating Goemcar-ponn and pouring in torrents 
from the rest of the subcontinent.

Sincerely

Xanno Moidecar

[Goanet] God and you

2010-01-13 Thread Xanno Moidecar

I apologise to Albert for jumping to the conclusion that he was taking pot 
shots at the Catholics because he had changed his church.  His bit about 
‘meeting the wrong saint and Mary not wanting us to say the rosary’, sent me 
awry.

The fact that he is still a practicing Catholic, I obviously welcome, but 
should have no bearing on anyone pointing out the flaws of my church.  If 
someone rightly points out a fault, we Catholics must thank them and work 
toward correcting it.

Albert's allegations about priests of the church is unassailable.  No one can 
rightfully dispute his charge.  I grew up being constantly told that ‘padricho 
sermao vhonienk nhoi’; a priest’s sermon is not meant for his sister-in-law.   
This I put down to human nature.  Something we hope and pray that GOD in his 
mercy and magnanimity will help us overcome.

I am feeling a bit sensitive about the church in Goem at the moment.  I still 
am not sure of all the facts.  However, one thing is clear: if the church in 
Colva was used as a base to mount an attack on someone who has been critical of 
a servant of Christ; irrespective of whether the criticism is right or wrong or 
vested or not; the teachings of our founder exhort us to turn the other cheek.

Whether the critics of the ‘padri’ were driven by hatred for him or his church 
is immaterial.  It is even not relevant that they were touting the truth. 

If malicious slander is being flouted proper legal channels should be accessed.

Violence has never been acceptable to the church of the Christ.  It is not an 
option for the church in Goem.

The Patriarch must make this very clear.  He must stress unequivocally this 
cornerstone of Christianity.

Or the church in Goem will no longer have the right to claim it is Christian.

Sincerely





Xanno Moidecar

[Goanet] All baout Ponnos (Jackfruits)

Two variety of Goan Jackfruits
 
'Rosall' and 'Kapo'
Or
Just ‘Ponnos’ and ‘Borkoi’ in salcette
 
a big fat jackfruit
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/84920309/
 
at least 10 on this tree
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3389780944/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/472801486/
 
Jackfruit bulbs (gore)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3465789998/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/516116221/
 
This one leaning on the ground
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3422236564/
 
seeds/nuts (Biknnam)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/516090468/

350 year old
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3707575355/
 
Related:
Ponssa Pan (for fole/pudde, xenot/viddi etc)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2735420578/
 
Ponnsa Pank (sticky gum for trapping parrots etc) 
 
Ponnsa Sattam (Rosall Bulb/gore grinded and dried)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/307445126/sizes/o/
 
Ponnsa moder (Wood for furniture like doors, chairs, tabled, beds etc)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk18/3479800036/
 
Ponnsa Char (left over portion after removing bulbs/gore)
Ponnsa rompi 
Ponnsa sal
Ponnsa dhink
Ponnsa zadd/ruk
 
Proverbs:
Daddoun pikoilolea ponnsak ghost asona
Ponnos kitloi dampun ou lipoun dovor, tacho vas eilea bhogor ravona
Voklen nak-naka munn deddxem ghore khaile


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[Goanet] Goan doctor in London offers Rs 10 lakh for Indian hockey players

2010-01-13 Thread Venantius J Pinto

Thanks Armstong.
I really hope the world knows about this. Did it not make it to the BBC???
All I see is that the strike has been lifted since dues have been cleared.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8455767.stm

UP CM Mayawati promises a miliam. (Speculatio: Vici?!!).
And the Kal-man (Arre baba dukra --- lamtya, attan tukam reasonable mhunon
gomlem) saith:

We have sorted out the problem, Indian sports official Suresh Kalmadi
said.

The players have given us a list of demands, and most of them are
reasonable.
In future people in the know, break the news to the BBC, not for any reason
but their reach. If one can access that, then its another critical strand in
moderating discourse and slapping the satraps of the shit-eating grins.

Btw, I hope that the arrogance on part of the hockey personnel and their
ridicule (not the players) does not go up a few notches. Its like spouse
abuse. I really hope they do not take it personally -- one of our worst
Indian traits.


venantius j pinto


 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:15:44 +0300
 From: armstrong augusto vaz armstrong...@gmail.com
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] Goan doctor in London offers Rs 10 lakh for Indian
hockey  players

(del)
 Hockey Olympian and former chief coach Joaquim Carvalho said that Dr
 James Leitao, a former student of Mumbai's Grand Medical College, has
 decided to pay Rs 10 lakh for the protesting players, requesting them
 to return to the camp and train for the World Cup which begins in New
 Delhi on February 28.

 (del)

 Besides, Dr Leitao, who himself played hockey in London leagues, also
 promised to donate his Goa residence to the Indian players if they
 manage a podium finish in the World Cup.

 If they manage the feat, it would be upto the players, what they want
 to do with the property -- sell, rent or utilise the facility,
 Carvalho added.

[Goanet] 10 Small Ways to Make the World a Better Place - Stepcase Lifehack

2010-01-13 Thread Con Menezes

Ten small way to make world a better place.
Con

http://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifestyle/10-small-ways-to-make-the-world-a-better-place.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LifeHack+(lifehack.org)

Re: [Goanet] Ref. Archbishop's letter.


Dear Mervyn,

A long time ago the Aldona parish priest rang the Church  bells  in the dead 
of the night  to frive away the robbing Ranes of Goa, where, in the bargain, 
the ring-leader of the Ranes was believed to have been shot dead thro' a 
well placed gun-shot fired from the choir.


The second time the Aldona Church bells rang  was to stop illegal 
construction of a 'gumpti' overnight  at the Aldona market cicle where Prof. 
Eduardo D'Souza's bust is installed presently, while the Se cathedral bells 
remain silent inspite of a  hedious  gumpti being  very much at home on the 
cathedral's grounds.


Moira church bells ring because Moidekars are pixe and nobody gives a damn.

However, the Colva Church bells have set a precedent which is going to live 
with us for a while. You (parish priest) don't like any one person in the 
village because he is a thorn in your backside,  then ring the church bells, 
gather the  well meaning idiots of the village to chase him out after 
burning his house and hurting his family. This, my dear Mervyn,  is the 
modern day teachings of Jesus Christ. And why not? Don't each one of us want 
him to be a rascal he was not???


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org

PS: Why don't entire Goa's Chuch Bells peal, Goa march to the Bishop's 
Palace to ask him to stand tall?? Looks like his grace is shorter by a few 
milimeters :-)).
PPS: Goa's Need of the HourWhat's Zat??? . 
prominent citizens/leaders standing tall to be counted??




- Original Message - 
From: Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca

To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Ref. Archbishop's letter.


floriano wrote:
It looks like speech writers and letter drafters are putting things on 
paper for the head of
the Church to read out or to post. And these speech writers and letter 
drafters must be
reputable lawyers and politicians. This whole thing stinks to high 
heavens.


floriano,
You sort of disappoint me.
If I remember correctly, you bursted onto the Goanet scene, last century, 
with a complaint

about the ringing of church bells in your village.


Today, both you and the Archbishop have chosen not to address the issue of 
the ringing of the
church bells to call the 'faithful' to order. And the 'order' was to march 
to and stone someone

house and property.


We live in interesting times...

Mervyn1128Lobo

[Goanet] Citizenship issue --- what IQ these people have?

Even a kid knows that citizenship is the only thing that decides political 
rights in a country.
These guys must have real idiotic level IQ to think that they can make any 
political difference in any country leave alone India without having its 
citizenship. In fact, countries such as
US are even stricter; no person not born in the US can be US President. India 
is much
more liberal and tolerant in that respect.

But these guys want to take things to far. One kick where it hurts will 
straighten these guys. (After all one lathi 40 years back -- and our Josebab 
still remembers it well.)
After all, in the past they have not shown any capability of perseverence or 
sticking on when things go tough. They have always taken the easy and 
opportunistic way.

regards,
Samir

PS: As to those shouting about underwears, lick them properly and clean them 
and then wear them over your head. After all, you are good at licking all kinds 
of things. Gabriel,
hope you are alive in Australia. Talk about your Goan-hood in public and a 
knife may
come at your throat. So, much for your home country.

[Goanet] 7 Non-Congress MLAs get together?

2010-01-13 Thread Mauricio Pereira

After remaining dormant for almost two years, the group of seven MLAs
(comprising of three from Nationalist Congress Party, two from Maharashtrawadi
Gomantak Party, one unattached and one independent) has decided to regroup and
work together for the development of their constituencies.

The sudden decision to formally revive the group along with a meeting of some
Congress legislators including a minister, with Mr Atanasio Monserrate, the
Education Minister, late on Tuesday evening has made the political scenario
fluid with sources in the group indicating that its members wanted change in
the state leadership.
Mr Monserrate, however, said that the meeting between him and the Congress
legislators was just a get together. He admitted that the group has been
revived and that it would work as one unit for the common interest of its
members.
Those present at the meeting were the PWD Minister, Mr Churchill Alemao, Mr
Aleixo Reginaldo Lourenco, Mr Agnelo Fernandes, Mr Pandurang Madkaikar and Mr
Francisco Silveira.
The leader of NCP legislator wing, Mr Jose Philip D’Souza told ‘The Navhind
Times’ that the members of the group met on Tuesday and discussed common issues
and decided to work together as a group.
Mr D’Souza, who is also the Revenue Minister in the government led by Mr
Digambar Kamat, said that no other issue was discussed but stressed that the
group would function together and take collective decisions. He further said
that no other decision was taken. Meanwhile, sources in the Congress party said
that the Chief Minister, Mr Digambar Kamat and the Goa Pradesh Congress
Committee president, Mr Subhash Shirodkar left for New Delhi on Tuesday
afternoon for “party work”.

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Re: [Goanet] Roshan Dantis and James Leitao

Hello Eddie
i will do in the future did not notice the message on top
thanks for pointing out
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Eddie Fernandes
eddie.fernan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Arnie,

 Today you forwarded two news items to GoaNet which had just been featured on
 Goan Voice.

 If you had been alerted to these items via Goan Voice, I would be grateful
 if you could acknowledge this in your postings - see the note on the top
 left corner of the GVUK home page.

 If you arrived at these news items independently of Goan Voice, I am
 interested to know of your path.

 Best wishes

 Eddie



 -Original Message-
 From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org
 [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of armstrong augusto vaz
 Sent: 13 January 2010 10:17
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Subject: [Goanet] Roshan Dantis acted with 'chilling composure'

 http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime-courts/mundane-routine-of-the-bruta
 l-textbook-murderer-1.997921

 Mundane routine of the brutal textbook murderer
 On the surface Roshan Dantis followed such an unremarkable routine on
 the day of the murder it would be difficult to see how he could have
 been involved.

Re: [Goanet] God and you


Oh my God, Xannea Moidekara,
And I thought you knew.
FYI, the Church in amchem Goem is 'CATHOLIC'.
:)

Cheers,
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org

PS: The barefoot walking, master critic of his time, crucified for taunting
people in authority... who are you, Sir??  Have we met anytime before??
PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour What's Zat???... Change the
name plate of Goa Church



- Original Message - 
From: Xanno Moidecar xanno_moide...@yahoo.co.uk

To: goanet goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:54 PM
Subject: [Goanet] God and you


Or the church in Goem will no longer have the right to claim it is
Christian.

Sincerely





Xanno Moidecar

Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue --- what IQ these people have? - repost


Yes indeed.
Tolerant to the extent that even Italians can be Prime Ministers of India :)
Nothing wrong here. Is there, now !

Incidentally it just struck me that Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru may have
probably prevailed on Dr. Ambedkar to keep a loop-hole in the constitution
over who can become Prime Ministers of India so that Lady Mountbatten could
fill in the vacuum after him?
:)
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org

PS: Perhaps India could have been better off with Edwina Mountbatten, I 
think :)
PPS: Goa's Need of the HourWhat's 
Zat???..Jennifer Monserrate as Goa's CM???  Y  not??


- Original Message - 
From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com

To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Citizenship issue --- what IQ these people have?

..

In fact, countries such as
US are even stricter; no person not born in the US can be US President. 
India is much

more liberal and tolerant in that respect.

[Goanet] Thought for Today

2010-01-13 Thread Joao Barros-Pereira

A wise man can even learn from a fool, a real Goan, non- Goan or an
expatriate Goan. Cheers, Joao

Re: [Goanet] From one NRG to another: an open letter.

2010-01-13 Thread J. Colaco jc

Tony de Sa wrote,

[1] I prefer to be called an RG in preference to a GRG.

[2] Also my finances are kindda down now and so I am eagerly awaiting
your next remittance.

[3] And while you are at it, my relation Xavier needs a visa to the West Indies

RESPONSE:

Mogal Tonybaba,

re #1: It was an open letter, and not directed at any one person. Your
preference having been noted, the open letter did not want to
discriminate against Goans who may have 'ration cards' in (say)
Bangaluru or Chikamangaluru.

One cannot have ration cards (hence be resident) in more than one
place, Can one? Though, I suppose, Xriman Bakshish could organise
anything and everything.


re #2: Next remittance? What happened to the previous one? Spent
it all on the proverbial 'sorro'? Tch Tch Tch!

From now on, I will send all further remittances by e-fax and
directly to the nearest Taverna.


re #3: Greetings to your 'relation'. Is that the same as relative?
Do advise that relative of yours that he/she will need to do better at
school, study hard and excel - IF he/she wishes to meet the
competition abroad. And also tell him/her that that postal/print shop
certificates will not do.

And yes, do especially tell him/her . that Cricket commentary is
NOT the best place to learn about World Geography and the Independence
of countries.

The West Indies is a geographical term - very much like the term, the
Indian sub-continent. There is NO 'visa to the West Indies', just as
(I believe) there is NO visa to the Indian subcontinent  - often
loosely referred to (by the ignoramus pakhle and by others, when
convenient) as India.

If that terms was true, All the Pakistanis would be known as Indians,
while in the UK all the Indians are known as Pakis.

Mog is always there.

jc

Re: [Goanet] All baout Ponnos (Jackfruits)

2010-01-13 Thread Valmiki Faleiro

Dear Joe,

I commend your painstaking work. But if you wish to
know more about 'Ponnos' (both the juicy and dry types)
try and meet a Goan who has done the greatest amount
of work in collecting a gene pool of the best varieties
of jackfruit from all over South India. Nobody to my
knowledge has done anything even faintly resembling the
work of this man on 'Ponnos' and cashew. (The Balli-1,
Balli-2 and Balli-3 varieties of cashew were developed
on his farm, the first by himself, the next two by the
ICAR - Indian Council of Agricultural Research -- and
he should, hopefully, once the official process of yield
certification is complete, maybe two/three from now,
provide India's highest-ever yielding cashew variety.)

He is popularly known as Bab Keni (Prabhakar M. Keni,
a decorated Progressive Farmer), who has a mother bank of
about 84 different varieties of Jackfruit in his farm at
Balli-Cuncolim, from where he annually makes grafts and
propagates on a no-profit basis. Bab Keni lives in
Sanvorcotto-Cuncolim, but spends a better part of the 
day at his farm in Balli. I have not asked his permission
to share his telephone contacts on a public forum, but if
you desire them, e-mail me privately. If you photograph
only the variety of trees (not the number!) on his farm,
you will produce a book!

Best, v


On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:11:00 +0530 wrote
Two variety of Goan Jackfruits
� 
'Rosall' and 'Kapo'

Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...

Samir, I changed the subjectline (dropped half of it), because I don't
want this interesting debate to become an insulting one, targeting
certain individuals or questioning them personally. If you feel others
have done the same to you in the past, you should overlook it with
magnamity, I feel.

2010/1/13 Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com
 Even a kid knows that citizenship is the only thing that
 decides political rights in a country.

I think those who disagree with you have managed to derail your
arguments by converting this into a debate over political rights.

To me, it is just a question of credibility while taking such a stance.

It is very, very easy to split from, or divorce the woman/man you once
loved, and to curse her/him for all perceived faults, real or
imaginary. It's more difficult to live with a person's failings, well
past the honeymoon period, and appreciate them for what they are,
shortcomings and all.

This, to me, is the relationship between expats (and RGs, and Tony
called them in his very interesting post) and Goa!

For me to criticise someone else's culture, religion, State, country,
language, political beliefs, ideology or perspectives is the easiest
thing in the world. To appreciate the failings of my own is the
challenge.

The other point is that it is easy to grab a safety-boat to an island
of prosperity and the 'better life', and then point to the vessel we
have deserted as being a sinking ship.

I think every expat who is today lecturing and hectoring Goa and India
(including, but not restricted to Mario Goveia, Rajan Parrikar, Jose
Colaco, et al) have a huge debt of India and Goa. They gained from the
Nehruvian-Kangres social infrastructure that made them into
Toledians, IITians or dotors with skills good enough to take on the
world. They got a highly subsidised education (in the 1970s, we
believed it costed Rs 100,000 to build a single doctor) and then took
their education and then sold it cheap to an affluent part of the
world, which probably needs it the least.

As an aside, hats off to you for opting to work in India; I hope and
pray that you can make a difference to a region which badly needs your
skills. Whether it is the much-decried Bengaluru (not the sarcasm
with which this name is used... I have fond memories of the place) or
Timbucktoo. For me, someone deploying skills where it is most needed
is more important than ethnic ties, accidents of birth, religion, or
other such connects.

Some of our expats believe they are doing a big favour to Goa and
India by sending back money to their family and relatives. This is
almost made to seem as if they are offering alms to Goa. Mineowners
and hoteliers in tourism similarly point to the foreign exchange they
earn for Goa; I think they are doing nobody a favour but just
earning money for themselves and using it to meet their own, their
extended family, or business needs... in either case.

While the initiatives of a Dr Anil Desai to build the social and
educational infrastructure in his area are to be appreciated, it would
be even nicer if the expats could (i) work to improve their attitude
to their original home, an unappreciated and
kicked-in-the-you-know-where land which often gave them much in a way
that made a crucial difference to their lives and (ii) try to share
skills and be positive instead of making a self-fulfilling prophecy
about how terrible the Third World situation really is.

With all the problem around, is it possible to be positive, someone
might ask. Firstly, the problems are often a question of perception.
Do we want to blame a few controversial politicians, and focus
entirely on them... or see the potential of a tiny population that has
done a lot for itself despite all the challenges? Secondly, I'm sure
all the oncologists and specialists on Goanet and elsewhere would not
condemn even a person suffering from the final stages of terminal
cancer. This is assuming Goa is suffering from the societal equivalent
of terminal cancer, a thesis I strongly doubt, despite all attempts
made to project it as such ... for political and other reasons.

Someone was one telling me how clean a country like the Switzerland
really was... till I pointed out that the numbered accounts there,
storing the wealth of Third World dicators and despots was not
portrayed as corruption. Not to forget also that their multinationals
had exported the talent of killing the fertility of local soil with
pesticides and what not to places like Santa Monica (incidentally, a
property sold by the Church, as its name indicates)!

There are all kinds of contradictions and tensions -- local, national
and international. That's no reason for a section of the expat Goan to
act condescending, nasty, patronising and
you-guys-don't-know-what-you're-doingish to us lesser mortals back at
home.

I have never claimed to be deeply in love with Goa, or proud of my
Goan identity. To me, that is all an accident of history and birth.
But it is a matter of

[Goanet] God and You

2010-01-13 Thread Albert Desouza


Albert writes- Before Jesus came down to the earth people believed in all 
types of gods. Some believed in Bhel. others believed in Ra which is the sun 
god. Here there were lots of members. These members were divided into clans the 
head of the clan had a coin shaped crop cut on the back of the head. Each of 
these heads would elect one head who covered his crop cut with a purple cap.He 
carried a stave which was curved. The top most leader wore a white cap on the 
back of his head. Each of the leaders made wafers  of wheat and dried in the 
sun. To focus rays of the sun they used magnifying lens . The sun burnt wafers  
was then distributed among its members. The feast of sun god was celebrated on 
25th December with much fun fare. The egyptians believed in many dieties. Jesus 
tried to change the jews. You are aware what Jesus did. After the death and 
resurection of Jesus and later his ascension those who were for Jesus called 
themselves believers. This group was never accepted in the area and suffered 
lots of persecution. They got support only when constantine became the king and 
he became the head of the church and then Rome became the head place of 
christianity. The whole religion found by Jesus Christ by shedding His blood 
got converted into Palace and sofiscation and hierchary. 
  
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[Goanet] Poor American

There is a tendency among some Goans to look at America with rose tinted
glasses. This little joke among one of the forwards I received will put
things in the proper prespective.

Poor Americans


John Smith started the day early.

having set his alarm clock

(MADE IN JAPAN ) for 6 am.

While his coffeepot

(MADE IN CHINA)

was perking, he shaved with his electric razor

(MADE IN HONG KONG)

He put on a dress shirt

(MADE IN SRI LANKA),

designer jeans

(MADE IN SINGAPORE)

and tennis shoes

(MADE IN KOREA)

After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet

(MADE IN INDIA)

he sat down with his calculator

(MADE IN MEXICO)

to see how much he could spend today. After setting his watch

(MADE IN TAIWAN )

to the radio

(MADE IN INDIA )

he got in his car

(MADE IN GERMANY )

filled it with GAS

(from Saudi Arabia )

and continued his search for a good paying AMERICAN JOB.

At the end of yet another discouraging and fruitless day checking his
Computer

(made in MALAYSIA ),

John decided to relax for a while. He put on his sandals

(MADE IN BRAZIL),

poured himself a glass of wine

(MADE IN FRANCE)

and turned on his TV

(MADE IN INDONESIA),

and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA

AND NOW HE'S HOPING HE CAN GET HELP FROM A PRESIDENT

MADE IN KENYA

GOD BLESS AMERICA. UP THE STARS AND STRIPES.

-- 
Tony de Sa
tonyd...@gmail.com
  M   : +91 9975 162 897
 -Ph. : +91 832 2470 148

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Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise

2010-01-13 Thread Ivo da C.Souza



From: J. Colaco  jc cola...@gmail.com
You are like a RC priest doing marriage counselling and advising

family planning. How do you, Samir, know what truly is a
'married man's love for a girl friend'?

***Catholic priests and nuns are excellent marriage counsellors.

You (Samirbab) wrote the following (and even asked a question): True
love is characterized by commitment. If a married man has true
love for his girl friend, he will divorce his wife and marry his
girlfriend. It is unfortunate if you havent still figured this out,
Jose.

RESPONSE:

Thank you Samirbab. Even Fr. Ivo would be proud of your answer.
***Of course, there are excellent marriage counselling centres run by 
Catholic priests and sisters throughout the world.



I'd, however, say the following:

Commitment is NOT a one-way street.

I definitely would NOT know about a Married person having a

girlfriend. Would you?

***Let the married person sacrifice his girl-friend...


 What do you say? Do you realise WHY I would not seek advice on

Marriage (or Girl Friends) from a RC priest...?
***You are totally wrong, marriage courses are given by priests throughout 
the country, as well as abroad. Young people are having excellent 
counsellors among Catholic priests and sisters. You may stick to your 
opinions!



 I'd venture to say that both you and the RC priest know equally about

Marriage, and that, my dear Samirbab - is not very much.
***You are totally wrong, Catholic priests and sisters may know much more 
than you about love, marriage and family problems...



I am praying that both you and the RC priests can somehow modify that

situation sometime soon (:-)

***There is not need...

Regards.
Fr.Ivo

[Goanet] Goanet] Citizenship issue...

Hats off to you Fred for the post. You have succintely communicated what the 
issue is
and how it can be resolved.

regards,
Samir

Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...

@ Frederick Noronha:

Rico must be congratulated for putting so succinctly what the RGs feel.
As an example of what an ex-pat can do for his country, I would like to
mention Sam Pitroda. Sam left the States where he was very well of having a
number of patents under his belt and chose to work for India for a pittance
of one dollar a year.
Today, if at all, I am able to communicate with you on Goanet via broadband,
it is thanks to Sam and Rajiv Gandhi who took the initiative to invite him
to India and take up the telecom project.

For more information:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Pitroda

I am sure we have lots of NRGs who can contribute to Goa's prosperity and
improved future

I can also quote the example of a Goan who was a refugee from Uganda, got
admission to Goa Engineering College on a freeship as a Uganda Refugee and
who promptly migrated to Canada after graduation. A total loss to the Goa
Government. To add insult to injury, he curses Goa and the Government. In
konkani we describe such a situation as 'khata tea panar aagta
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[Goanet] God and You

2010-01-13 Thread Albert Desouza


Albert writes:- In continuation to what I had written earlier.Then came the 
split in the christian church. Various demoniations were born. We had 
lutherians, etc etc which broke up from the main body. The flow was big and to 
keep the remaining faithfuls Mary was born.Then came the apparitians and news 
spread that Mary wanted us to say the rosary. So the church converted Jesus 
into Mary centred church and told people that if you start devotions to Mary 
you will be saved. The church till today lays emphasis to say the Rosary and 
gives very little importance to Bible. The bible passages are used only at the 
three readings in mass. The church has introduced daily flash to keep the 
people away from reading the bible minutely.If one reads the Bible with the 
help of God there is bound to get revealations and one will definetly find that 
the church is not Jesus oriented. 
  
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[Goanet] From one RG to another an open letter.

Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:18:35 +0530
From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com

1. Each and every one of our RGs is a good-for-nothing waiting only for a
hand out from the NRG brothers and sisters and waiting with an open mouth
for the next visa to fall from their NRG relations.

Mario responds:

Poppycock.  There are many good RGs doing their best and offering positive and 
constructive solutions for Goa, like Floriano and Venita for example.  
Unfortunately, there are also some RG and deshi NRG chest-thumpers who have 
decided that foren NRGs are a bigger problem than the corruption and mess in 
Goa, who are completely wasting their time and energy and deflecting attention 
from what needs to be done.  

Tony writes:

2. Goa is a mess and that we are incapable of doing anything about it. But
they forget, that it is we and only we that can effectively change what is
happening in Goa. They can only preach and give us advice which is based on
their own frame of reference which no longer holds validity in the reality
of Goa today.

Mario responds:

Yes and no.  Yes, it is true that you RGs and deshi NRGs have shown 
yourselves incapable of doing anything about the mess in Goa.  If you had been 
capable, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we?

No, it is not true that only RGs can do something about it as George Pinto and 
Rajan Parrikar and Anil Desai, three foren NRGs, have already demonstrated by 
their stellar work in Goa.  Other foren NRG's like Arwin Mesquita are 
confronting Goan legislators and Carmen Miranda is trying to light a fire under 
local RGs.  All this at remarkable personal cost in terms of time and money.

Yes, we can give you advice based on what we have seen work in other countries, 
which is mostly based on common sense.

No, you are wrong that it does not hold validity in the reality of Goa today, 
assuming that there is still something called common sense left in Goa.

I'll give you an example based on the reality of India.  India was going 
nowhere during its first 50 years since Independence.  Corruption and waste at 
all levels was rampant and Indians were draining at an alarming rate to the 
benefit of other countries.  Then suddenly the founding families were gone and 
common sense began to assert itself in the form of new leadership like Manmohan 
Singh and Sonia Gandhi, who doesn't get enough credit in my opinion for 
exerting tremendous positive leadership while knowing when to grab the 
limelight and when to step back and let others get the limelight.  Look at the 
difference this has made to India's economy in just a few years even with the 
old line communists in their coalition trying desperately to drag them 
backwards.

Tony wrote:

America has no corruption?  Nor Britain, nor France, nor Germany, nor 
Australia? So you my dear NRG friends will have me and my other gullible 
brothers believe that these countries are pristine. Of course  you have 
corruption but it is guised in a semblance of legality like the CEO of a 
company (I think it was Lehman Bros) who took millions just to liquidate the 
company.

Mario responds:

There is corruption from time to time in the countries you have listed.  The 
difference you seem to be missing is that, in the west, when corruption is 
found the perpetrators are prosecuted and brought to justice.  Taking millions 
just to liquidate a company may look corrupt to you, but if it was done 
legally, it could not correctly be described as corrupt in proper context.

Tony wrote:

What about the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki even when
the Americans knew that the Japanese were losing the war - 

Mario responds:

This is a false description of what happened.  It was Emperor Hirohito and the 
Japanese leadership who were responsible for the casualties at Hiroshima and 
Nagasaki.

The Japanese, who started the war for the US by bombing Pearl Harbor without 
warning, refused to surrender before and after the bombing of Hiroshima, and 
only surrendered after the second bombing of Nagasaki.

Because of how the Japanese had fought before that, the estimates of the 
casualties on the Allied side to finish the war by physically attacking Japan 
was considered too high.  In a war the objective is to kill the enemy while 
minimizing casualties among your own people.  The bombings of Hiroshima and 
Nagasaki brought a brutal four year war to a screeching halt in just four days, 
unfortunately at an estimated cost of some 200,000 enemy casualties, all of 
which could have been avoided if the Japanese had surrendered before then.

Tony wrote:

4. We can only be saved by the advice rather the 'pontificating' of some NRGs 
from their comfort zones.

Mario responds:

If the RG's wake up and start doing something tangible, all the NRGs can can 
happily go back to their comfort zones.  I'm sure Rajan, Carmen, Arwin, et. al. 
have other good uses for their time.

Tony wrote:

5. Please don't call foren Goans 'bootlickers' it hurts their

[Goanet] Poor American

and turned on his TV

(MADE IN INDONESIA),

and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA

And finally came on Goanet, and posted how great America is!
We all know what the real name of John Smith is. :-)

samir

Re: [Goanet] Who is a Goan?

2010-01-13 Thread soter


Vivian Wrote:
The issue of migrants derogatorily referred to as Ghattis is also raised 
from time to time.
But I dare say that the economy of Goa would suffer immeasurably without the 
laborers
from beyond the Ghats.  There are hardly any ganv-bhav willing to do the 
backbreaking work
performed by these migrant workers any more. Children of the laborers of 
yore are educated and some have gone on to become Doctors and Engineers. 
Nobody wants to do the manual labor that their parents did.   Good for them. 
That is progress.
Many of the so-called advanced countries in the Western world faced a 
similar situation.


Soter replies:  How many labourers would 8 lakh Goans require? Another 8 
lakhs? That makes it one for each Goan. Hiring domestic help abroad is very 
costly. So don't people clean their own toilets and maintain their own 
gardens? Do we enjoy exploiting cheap labourers? I think we are over 
exagerating the dependence of Goans on immigrants. The actual labourers 
coming from the ghats to work in the fields and orchards come seasonally and 
buzz off. They never settle here. The migrant settlers are the parasites 
which are now facing racial hatred in Australia and even in UK. There is a 
limit to taking local people for granted.

[Goanet] Five hundred years later ...

2010-01-13 Thread Antonio Menezes

It was a very interesting article by Frederick Noronha which  appeared
in Herald dated Jan.13.
FN states:  '''500 hundred years after the conquest of Goa ...it is time
to take a more nuanced view of the long era of colonialism that shaped
us all '''.
I am not a historian by training but I do take interest in it. According to
my rather pedestrian view, I do not think that all of us were shaped by
Portuguese colonialism that lasted for 451 years. If I may say so, there
were twostreams running side by side,one called Portuguesismo  and the other

Cristianismo.  All Goan catholics are deeply influenced by Christianity,
but 90 % of Goan catholics had nothing to do with Portuguesismo.
Wearing of pants, shirts, shoes, and bearing Iberian names/surnames
does not mean they were influenced by Portuguesismo.  The remaining
10% are at perfect liberty to '''undertake more realistic analysis of
what the Portuguese past meant to Goa '''.

Re: [Goanet] Poor American


And instead of growing ulcers, he relaxed
cause he had a good goan friend who had taught him the trick of being 
SUCEGAD

:)
Cheers
flo

- Original Message - 
From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com

To: Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994 goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 10:15 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Poor American


and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA



Tony de Sa

[Goanet] Attack the Message - Not the Messenger!

2010-01-13 Thread Eddie Fernandes


Folks,

I cannot be alone in finding it tiresome to read through the Samir vs. Rajan
slanging match which has metamorphosed into a NRG vs. RG cursing battle!

The proponents in the debates should know better!

Samir and Rajan as well as many NRGs and RGs have made useful contributions
to this forum so let us concentrate on the message, instead of the
messenger, please!

Eddie Fernandes

Re: [Goanet] Poor American

2010/1/13 Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com:
 to the radio
 (MADE IN INDIA )

Tony, Sir! Please tell me where you can get a decent made-in-India
radio! I have been trying unsucessfully for ages now, and am finally
reduced to listening to Internet radio, using the BMP Free Software
option. [http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20080628025431153/BMPx.html]

As a radio fan, I've struggled from my times as a sixth-standard
student trying to rig up my own Jetking pocket transistor in the
1960 and 1970s (Rs 65, if I recall right), to gifting myself a largish
four-band Phillips receiver that cost exactly a month's salary when I
quit a Goa-based newspaper in 1987 (a princely Rs 1060 then!)

Prior to this, while in school, my dad bought a three-in-one (LP
records, AM and MW!) which was the size of a big trunk from Mr Dalal
(at Mapusa, I think... or maybe Panjim) for Rs 1500. After using it
well for awhile, we fiddled hard and long with the valves behind,
hoping they would somehow light up and catch some distant radio
station!

Those were the days when DX-ing (tuning into 'distant' and 'unknown'
radio stations, hence the term DX) was still a hobby. ]

Remember 73s, anyone?

After that, sometimes in the 1990s when it was more possible to access
foreign products, I tried my luck with Sony digital radios. Goa's high
humidity probably was behind the problem of them not lasting long. My
technologically-challenged inabilities to build outdoor antennas
didn't help.

Even in days when radio is seen as dead, I still remember the pleasure
this simple instrument once offered us. For instance, there was this
radio play on the Voice of America, which sounded so realistic and
dramatic... I could almost recall still what the plot was about.

From a tiny Goa largely isolated from the outside world, we tried
'catching' some distant stations whenever possible. There were 'free'
Bible courses (not Catholic, of course!) to tempt you into tuning in
more frequently. I managed to get books to study Dutch, German and
Russian -- and worked on all equally unsucessfully -- through the
radio stations themselves.

After sending in ten (or was it 20?) international reply coupons, each
worth Rs 2.50 in those days, I got access to a neat, blue tee-shirt
which said in bright yellow alphabets (or, letters of the alphabet,
as Cecil would note): 'Keep in touch -- Radio Sweden' on it. After
wearing it for five years, I passed it on to my brother, who got into
it for probably another two! In 1998, a chance to visit Stockholm
actually took me to visit the towers of Radio Sweden, and meet up with
the Brazilian lady who manned the international services then!

We got tourist brochures showing the wonderful wildlife of (then)
Apartheid-ruled South Africa, and No neutron bomb! badges from Erich
Honecker's German Democratic Republic (though I later reached West
Berlin just as Die Berliner Mauer was being chipped away in 1990 as
both sides of the divided city drew Third World journalists, trying to
impress how superior their political system was compared to the
other.

It wasn't a small world then, but the radio waves made it somewhat so...

The memories that author Domnic Domnic's Goa Fernandes put across of
All India Radio some time ago brought back a whole lot of memories. Of
course, those were times dominated by political correctness, and so
the programmes on AIR-Panaji were heavily dominated by a classical
fare, and a lot of pan-Indian (rather than regional, Goan) content.

The afternoon English-Konkani sessions did strike a chord, of course.
Imelda Tavora, who has just released a second book of her writing, a
sequeal to her earlier autobiography, was a household name, and the
successor of Emissora Goa played a key role in keeping local Konkani
music (in particular, the cantaram) alive and kicking... specially by
connecting the diaspora Bombay Goans community with home. Maybe Alfred
Rose, Chris Perry, Lorna and the other Bombay-based personalities
wouldn't have been such big figures minus radio.

We also tuned in to the occasional radio tiatr, and Saturday Date came
in from Bombay from 10 to 11 pm -- when the wind was favourable!
Getting the Wednesday half-hour of Western music from the same source
was also a struggle.

At one time, in the 1970s or 1980s, if you walked by a village street
in the morning, every second Christian house seemed to be tuned in to
Radio Ceylon/later, the SLBC. Wonder where are those Fernando and
other popular RJs (radio jockeys, to use today's term) who seemed to
be having a fun time on the airwaves! The more affluent families in
our parts of Bardez would tune in to Radio Australia, at 11-ish in the
morning... as this station needed superior radio equipment to to stay
tuned in to, specially since radio airwaves propagation isn't that
successful in the daytime as compared to night.

Anyway, your above comment Tony was just an opportunity to diagress.

Still searching for a good radio. The Chinese, 140-200 rupees ones are
fairly useful

[Goanet] Remote control

2010-01-13 Thread Rajan P. Parrikar

To Goanet -

American citizen presses button and CCP moves to clear
squatters at Azad Maidan in Panjim.  Picture taken yesterday -

http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/CCP-PanjimPIL.jpg


r

Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...

2010/1/13 Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com:
 Today, if at all, I am able to communicate with you on Goanet via broadband,
 it is thanks to Sam and Rajiv Gandhi who took the initiative to invite him
 to India and take up the telecom project.

Tony, I think the (small) band of Herman Carneiro critics on Goanet
would be eternally grateful to you for crediting Samji and Rajivji on
this accomplishment :-) FN
-- 
Frederick Noronha : Columnist :: journalism :: editing ::
alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging

Re: [Goanet] Remote control

Could someone please explain what's happening in the photo below?

As far as I know, these aren't squatters but eco-friendly scrap
recyclers, who work at one corner of the Azad Maidan for a few hours
each evening, cleaning the packaging (paper and plastic) wastes left
behind and recycling a large part of it. I'm amazed to see how they
use their frugality to squeeze out a living of what others treat as
'wastes', while putting it to good use.

It's mostly paper and packaging waste generated by thousands of good
middle class Goenkars buying their newspapers and magazines in the
locality. Is it better if this waste is simply dumped in the
Mandovi, or some landfill in Curca?

I am also appalled by the targetting of tiny scrap-yards in parts of
Goa by some politicians and some parties, because they happen to be
largely of migrant origin and largely Muslim. I think they're infact
doing middle-class Goa a big favour by cleaning up its thrash ... and
often enough, recycling it! FN

2010/1/14 Rajan P. Parrikar parri...@yahoo.com:
 To Goanet -
 American citizen presses button and CCP moves to clear
 squatters at Azad Maidan in Panjim.  Picture taken yesterday -
 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/CCP-PanjimPIL.jpg

-- 
Frederick Noronha
Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging

[Goanet] Mundane routine of the brutal textbook murderer

This is a rather strange case, which I noticed via Eddie's
http://goanvoice.org.uk
Mundane routine of the brutal textbook murderer
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime-courts/mundane-routine-of-the-brutal-textbook-murderer-1.997921

Without suggesting that a Goan can't be involved in a brutal,
premeditated murder, would any one from Goa spell his surname as
Dantis? Possible, but not very probable.
This outsourcingroom.com profile suggests a link to Udupi:
http://outsourcingroom.com/en/users/profile/roshandantis_.cbsx

Eitherway, this is a sad and bizarre case, a bit like the killing of
the young lad whose friends sought to kidnap him some years ago in
Goa! FN
-- 
Frederick Noronha

[Goanet] The goan connection to the US president (was Poor American)

2010-01-13 Thread marlon menezes

There is a Goan connection to the current American president. Fitz D'souza 
(http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-April/176250.html) , 
in a story told to me at this year's New Year's eve party at his house in 
Bambolim, told me that he was one of three on the committee who decided on the 
scholarship application of Barack's father to come to the US.  Good or bad, the 
rest is history.

Marlon



- Original Message 
From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com

and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA

AND NOW HE'S HOPING HE CAN GET HELP FROM A PRESIDENT

MADE IN KENYA

GOD BLESS AMERICA. UP THE STARS AND STRIPES.

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Helping HAITI

2010-01-13 Thread Filomena Giese

HELPING HAITI
A Haitian friend in Berkeley who has been deeply involved in outreach to Haiti 
for many, many years, just told me that the most urgent thing needed is health 
and hospital care.  He and others are devastated at losing relatives and 
friends.
He especially recommends Partners in Health.  If anyone of our Goan community 
wishes to donate, here are the 2 sites to contact.  Please inform your friends 
and pass the word on. And make sure the donations are marked for Haiti.

With thanks,
 Filomena Saraswati

1.  Partners in Healthhttp://www.pih.org/home.html
 
 
BREAKING NEWS

A major earthquake centered just 10 miles from Port-au-Prince has devastated 
sections of the city and knocked out telephone communications throughout the 
country.  In an urgent email from Port-au-Prince, Louise Ivers, our clinical 
director in Haiti, appealed for assistance from her colleagues in the Central 
Plateau: Port-au-Prince is devastated, lot of deaths. SOS. SOS... Temporary 
field hospital by us at UNDP needs supplies, pain meds, bandages. Please help 
us.

We are still in the midst of collecting information from all our sites in 
Haiti, and determining how we can best help with the recovery efforts in the 
areas hardest hit.

 
 
2. Doctors Without Borders | MSF USA

Doctors and nurses volunteer to provide urgent medical care in countries to 
victims of war and disaster regardless of race, religion, or politics.
doctorswithoutborders.org/



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Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...


Rico,
It means 'rich' [ Portuguese, Spanish, Italian...]
You have given the taste of this rich'ness to us Goans irrespective of 
whether we are RGs or NGGs

Well done n keep it up ... flying' igh

Cheers
floriano

- Original Message - 
From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com

To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...


May each of us find some way to do something of meaning to some cause
we find worthy in life. And may we continue our debates in a way that
brings out more light than heat. FN

[Goanet] Only in America

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM 
AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR 
FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL 
PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE MEXICAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GO TO FEDERAL PRISON FOR TWO 
YEARS.

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 

1. A JOB, 

2. A DRIVERS LICENSE, 

3. SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, 

4. WELFARE, 

5. FOOD STAMPS, 

6. CREDIT CARDS, 

7. SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE, 

8. FREE EDUCATION, 

9. FREE HEALTH CARE, 

10. A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON 

11. BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE 

12. THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON’T GET 
ENOUGH RESPECT 

13. A LAWYER TO DEFEND YOU AT NO COST TO YOU

14. AND, IN SOME INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE. 

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD WHAT AMERICA IS LIKE:-))

[Goanet] Poor American

Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:15:14 +0530
From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com

There is a tendency among some Goans to look at America with rose tinted
glasses. This little joke among one of the forwards I received will put
things in the proper prespective.

Poor Americans

John Smith started the day early.

having set his alarm clock

(MADE IN JAPAN ) for 6 am.

While his coffeepot

(MADE IN CHINA)

Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:40:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com

 and turned on his TV

 (MADE IN INDONESIA),

 and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA

And finally came on Goanet, and posted how great America is!
We all know what the real name of John Smith is. :-)

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:57:42 +0530
From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com

And instead of growing ulcers, he relaxed cause he had a good goan friend who 
had taught him the trick of being SUCEGAD:)

Mario responds:

This is so hilarious.  Americans are buying all this stuff and Tony, Samir and 
Floriano have decided in their infinite lack of perspicacity that it is 
AMERICANS who can't find a good paying job in America and are therefore poor!  
LOL!  Try selling all that stuff to poor people:-))

Samir forgot to add IT services from India to the list.  Perhaps, affluent 
Karnatakan that he is, he is providing his services to those poor Americans for 
free:-))

Has any of these eminent economic analysts stopped to think where would these 
countries be without these purchases by Americans?

This is precisely the beauty of America - we can buy stuff from anywhere we 
choose to:-))

And look what happens to China when the US economy slows down:

http://www.eeo.com.cn/ens/Industry/2009/09/10/150693.shtml

[Goanet] ILLEGAL FILLING AND DESTRUCTION OF HERITAGE LAKE AT SHIRVODEM, NAVELIM

Goenchea Xetkarancho Ekvott


Letter no.  01 /2010
Date:14/01/2010



To
The Police Inspector,
Margao Town Police Station,
Margao, Goa.


SUB:ILLEGAL FILLING AND DESTRUCTION OF HERITAGE LAKE AT SHIRVODEM,
NAVELIM – PROMPT ACTION AGAINST MR. EDWARD VAZ

Ref:(1) Complaint  dated 22/12/2009 by Dr. S.G Prabhudessai
(2) TCP letter  bearing  No. TPM/ill-cut-fill/Sal/09/8002
dated 23/12/09
(3)Letter dated 23/12/09 to the Chief Minister
Sir,

With reference to the complaint referenced (1) above (copy attached),
the Town and Country Planning Department had instructed your office,
vide their letter referenced (2) above, to stop Mr. Edward Vaz from
further filling up the Shirvodem Lake and the neighbouring Communidade
Agricultural lands, and to  remove the all the earth dumped therein.

Till today no action has been taken against the defaulter, nor has the
earth been removed from the the said lake and paddy fields. This is a
matter of grave public importance, and delays in booking the defaulter
shall have serious and irreversible repercussions for the town of
Margao and the village of Navelim on account of the grave ecological
importance of the said lake and land.

It is brought to your attention that the subject lake is of immense
ecological importance for the entire area of Margao, Navelim and
neighbouring villages.





You must take cognizance of the fact that this lake hosts thousands of
migratory and resident ducks of at least 14 species, including
endangered species such as comb ducks, gadwalls, shovellers, etc.


It is also recorded that extremely rare species of ducks such as
ferruginous pochard, smew duck, etc, which are not found anywhere else
in Goa, also come to this lake for wintering. It is therefore amply
clear that protecting this water body and the surrounding fields is of
the greatest importance not only for the farmers of Shirvodem and the
residents of Margao, Navelim and surrounding villages, but also as an
inescapable responsibility towards humanity and the environment.


I therefore request you to take prompt and swift action to avoid
further damage to this heritage lake and to restore the lake to its
pristine condition immediately.

Awaiting early justice and thanking you in anticipation


Yours sincerely,

cc: 1) The Dy. Collector, Salcete, Margao
  2) The Town Planner, Salcete, Margao
  3) The Hon'ble Chief Minister of Goa

[Goanet] Attack the Message - Not the Messenger

2010-01-13 Thread Carvalho

Reading the messages on Goanet these days, we can be assured of one thing, that 
a cure for insomnia will surely be discovered soon failing which a cure for 
insanity at least. As a first step towards both these objectives I have started 
reading God and You.

Speaking of NRGs, Messengers and doing something for Goa, I know of a quiet man 
who does a lot for Goa but who does so without shouting from the rooftops. His 
name is Eddie Fernandes and he lives in London. In the two years that I've 
known him, I don't know of day which has passed by when some Goenkar-bhav from 
England or one who has emigrated to England, has not contacted him, asking him 
for help, information, resource, contacts, a place to live, food to eat, 
placements of advertisements, help with their businesses and even general 
marital advice. To each of these queries, he responds diligently, quietly, 
patiently, lending a roof over people's head if need be and food on their 
plates if required. At times, I wonder about his patience, his resilience, his 
perseverance and sadly I have never been able to match it. I wonder is Eddie an 
NRG, who does all this for the Goan community because he sees Goa with contempt?

It is sad that we see contributions to Goa, only in terms of charity or 
activism. There is much to be said about the quiet Goan, who goes about his 
business, being a good citizen, leading an honorable life, guided by his 
conscience and led by his integrity. There is much to be said for contemplation 
instead of revolution, for brain-stilling instead of brain-storming, for calm 
instead of frenzy for gentleness instead of fury, for reaching out and building 
bridges instead of burning them, for loyalty and courage instead of being 
bodmass cassette no. 2.

Best,
Selma

Re: [Goanet] From one RG to another an open letter.


Mario,
Incidentally, you have identified both Moidekars [who are also known for 
their pixeapona] to a third Moidekar

I am told that 3 is crowd
:)

Whatever happened to the rest of RG Goans???

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896

PS: Sometimes Pixo gets the cake. This has been proved when Moira Church got 
its most sonorous Bell in the auction because a Xanno Moidekar (not the 
UK'ite) wore a kasti and started besting the bets to the consternation of 
rank Batkars in suits boots and ties. It is also believed that this Pixo 
Moidekar coolly called for his valet after the auction who handed back to 
him his suit boot and tie

:)

PPS: Goa's Need of the Hour...What's Zat??   ... 
Continuos pealing of Moira Church Bell to wake up RG Goans???



- Original Message - 
From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net

To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:10 PM
Subject: [Goanet] From one RG to another an open letter.



Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:18:35 +0530
From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com

There are many good RGs doing their best and offering positive and 
constructive solutions for Goa, like Floriano and Venita for example

Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...

2010-01-13 Thread J. Colaco jc

2010/1/13 Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com:

I think every expat who is today lecturing and hectoring Goa and India
(including, but not restricted to Mario Goveia, Rajan Parrikar, Jose
Colaco, et al) have a huge debt of India and Goa.

They gained from the Nehruvian-Kangres social infrastructure that
made them into Toledians, IITians or dotors with skills good enough to
take on the world.

They got a highly subsidised education (in the 1970s, we believed it
costed Rs 100,000 to build a single doctor) and then took
their education and then sold it cheap to an affluent part of the
world, which probably needs it the least.

==

Dears,

I will only speak for medicine (and at the end, I have a short story).

1: How did Frederick Noronha come to assume that a debt was owed?
   a: How did he valuate the cost of medical education in the 1970s?
   b: How did he cost the value of the service provided as Interns and
Residents and as students?
   c: How did he cost the value of the the service in the Rural Health
Centre (Mandur)?
   d: How much foreign currency has been remitted by these 'doctors
who sold their education cheap to the affluent world'?
   e: How much 'free time' have these doctors given (back) to GMC -
during their holidays in Goa?
   f: Have they helped GMC in any other way?

2: What were the contractual terms of agreement  between student and
Goa Govt- at the time of admission to GMC?
  a: What was the mandatory clause - which if violated by the student,
the student was liable to pay a certain sum?
  b: Has anybody (Noronha knows) not complied with the mandatory, and
yet got away without paying the 'fine'?

3: Did the Goa Govt commit to provide Goan applicants with post
Graduation posts and training  without political interference?
  b: Was Post Graduate training available in Goa at the time?

4: While it is glorious to think about serving in the rural areas
which have no doctors, Is it safe medicine that new graduates
practice independently (without supervision) in rural areas?

5: Is is OK for me to request Frederick Noronha, not to place his hat
in front of his mouth, when he is talking?

NOW: the story (entirely fictitious):

The village - Velimgao
The Panchayat is ruled by Velgaocars under the supervision of The
Caldo Verde family.
In place - among other things - is a Medical School - where ALL
qualifying Velgaocars can study medicine and do what they want after
that.

Up come the Tikka Masala folks, and oust the Caldo Verde family.
They run the panchayat, they take over the best places in the village,
they even run the press.
The Medical school is kind of denigrated.and a new Medical College
course is run
Velimgao villagers (who would have otherwise attended Medical School
for free) are now attending the Medical College for a fee.

In the mean time, the Tikka Masala group is making tons of money from
the Sand and Soil of Velimgao - and sending it to the parent company.

Do the residents of Veligao have a debt to pay for attending
Medical College in Veligao?

Are we OK in the cabeça?

jc

Re: [Goanet] Delay in Bilhete De Identidade

2010-01-13 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

I refer you to an 8-year-old article, 
http://www.colaco.net/1/DeadMenFlying.htm as to reasons why it takes so long 
for processing BI in Goa. In addition, see the latest Devika Sequeira report on 
Deccan Herald 
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/45984/portugal-wants-tighter-norms-citizenship.html

As a result of the above, I can inform you that while it took a few months for 
processing a BI of an Australian-born son of a BI-holding Goan, his older 
brother, born in Goa is still waiting for his BI.  Don't blame the Portuguese 
authorities, rather, blame the endemic corruption that seems prevalent in that 
region. 

AFAIK, there is no point in contacting the Conservatoria de Registros Centrais 
(the organisation that handles BI applications for people born overseas).  They 
will still rely on the local consulate to perform the requisite searches, and 
this takes its time. Meanwhile, remember that there are a great number of 
applications pending at the consulate for verification. 

Gabriel.


- Original Message 
 From: Samir asterio...@gmail.com
 To: goa...@goanet.org
 Sent: Wed, 13 January, 2010 10:52:28 AM
 Subject: [Goanet] Delay in Bilhete De Identidade
 
 Hello Readers,
 
 There is a considerable amount of delay by Portuguese Consulate - Goa in 
 giving 
 appointments for B.I and processing B.I
 
 The act  attitude of the staff is as usual ridiculous as if they are
 the only one existing and there is only one portuguese consulate in
 the earth who is burdened with excessive work load.
 
 After the application for B.I has been made in the Portuguese
 consulate  - Goa, Can anybody send the complete details about the
 authority in portugal who is responsible for making/issuing B.I so
 that request for expediting can be send to them and thereafter B.I can
 be collected from the consulate.
 
 Thnx,
 Sameer



  
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Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...

Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:17:39 +0530
From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com

I think those who disagree with you have managed to derail your
arguments by converting this into a debate over political rights.

Mario observes:

The only arguments by Samir that need to be derailed are those directed at 
fellow-Goans and not at the corruption in Goa.

Fred wrote:

It is very, very easy to split from, or divorce the woman/man you once
loved, and to curse her/him for all perceived faults, real or
imaginary. It's more difficult to live with a person's failings, well
past the honeymoon period, and appreciate them for what they are,
shortcomings and all.

This, to me, is the relationship between expats (and RGs, and Tony
called them in his very interesting post) and Goa!

Mario observes:

This comment ignores the mess that has been allowed to develop in Goa as well 
as the well-intentioned actions by Goan expats in trying to help Goa by waking 
up the locals, who went to sleep AGAIN after the successful uprising against 
the CRZs a few years ago.

Fred wrote:

The other point is that it is easy to grab a safety-boat to an island
of prosperity and the 'better life', and then point to the vessel we
have deserted as being a sinking ship.

Mario responds:

The last time I checked Goa is a sinking ship without a single NRG having a 
hand in sinking it.

It doesn't seem to occur to Fred that the island of prosperity and the better 
life didn't get that way by random chance and may have some lessons that Goa 
can benefit from.

Fred wrote:

They got a highly subsidised education (in the 1970s, we
believed it costed Rs 100,000 to build a single doctor) and then took
their education and then sold it cheap to an affluent part of the
world, which probably needs it the least.

Mario responds:

To begin with, we did not become affluent in the new world by selling ourselves 
cheap.  Secondly, most of us emigrated because of the mindless socialism that 
seemed to have no end in dragging India down, until Manmohan came along, not 
because our new countries needed us.  As it turns out the most welcoming and 
competitive of the immigrant countries, the USA, cannot function without us 
now.  This is a resource that India could have had for nothing but decided to 
drive us away through stupid political policies.  Regarding the subsidized 
education, most of us have repaid our debt and then some.

Fred wrote:

For me, someone deploying skills where it is most needed
is more important than ethnic ties, accidents of birth, religion, or
other such connects.

Mario responds:

Who gets to decide where someone's skills are the most needed?

Fred wrote:

Some of our expats believe they are doing a big favour to Goa and
India by sending back money to their family and relatives. This is
almost made to seem as if they are offering alms to Goa. Mineowners
and hoteliers in tourism similarly point to the foreign exchange they
earn for Goa; I think they are doing nobody a favour but just
earning money for themselves and using it to meet their own, their
extended family, or business needs... in either case.

Mario responds:

Karl Marx must be smiling in his mausoleum.  Private businesses help the 
economy by helping themselves.  No one starts a business with all the 
investment and risk this entails for Goa.  These businesses are, in fact, 
doing a huge favor to those who are employed in their businesses.

BTW, even Manmohan Singh acknowledges that the expats are doing Goa and India a 
huge favor because they could have found other uses for their money somewhere 
else in the world.

NRGs send money to India when it suits them.  Other than you, I haven't heard 
anyone else construe these cash flows as alms.  

Fred wrote:

it would be even nicer if the expats could (i) work to improve their attitude 
to their original home, an unappreciated and kicked-in-the-you-know-where land 
which often gave them much in a way that made a crucial difference to their 
lives and (ii) try to share skills and be positive instead of making a 
self-fulfilling prophecy about how terrible the Third World situation really is.

Mario responds:

The ones who initially kicked India in the you-know-where were the 
colonists who exploited India.  Thereafter, India was further 
kicked-in-the-you-know-where by the Fabian socialism of the Nehru family that 
wasted untold resources during India's first 50 years or so, until Manmohan 
imposed some common sense and reality on India.

What Rajan and Anil have done is precisely to share their skills and be 
positive.  What exactly is negative about the personal time and money they 
have spent fighting the system in Goa?  The archives will show that the 
negativism in this debate was introduced by a couple of RGs, for no reason that 
I have been able to ascertain.

The Third World situation is mostly the fault of the Third World's leaders who 
led their countries astray after gaining Independence from the colonists.  
India

[Goanet] Goa news for January 14, 2010

2010-01-13 Thread Goanet News Service

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Passenger falls sick on 'stuffy' Spicejet flight -
Hindustan Times
ear-old state-level swimming champion who fell sick ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/mumbai/Passenger-falls-sick-on-stuffy-Spicejet-flight/Article1-496778.aspxusg=AFQjCNEbXKdG5dn_w2lAdTU1y43NSP1-rg

*** Cong rebels claim Goa Speaker keen to take over as CM -
Press Trust of India
ongress-mlas-meet-to-demand-for-a-change-in-goa-leadership_1334213usg=AFQjCNFUUSP0HB3fxeBaSWTASNW318dy7wRebel
Congress MLAs meet to demand for a change in Goa leadership
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.ptinews.com/news/467073_Cong-rebels-claim-Goa-Speaker-keen-to-take-over-as-CMusg=AFQjCNEWUzywib0NvVx3xEkJKgogLt0f2Q

*** Goa bans bikini ads to go 'clean' - The Press Association
lad women in a bid to promote the state as a family holiday
destination. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iBuywvFMy041r1D72MwosPFgrkqAusg=AFQjCNEAVJylLDtJ-aypU_OxJmSTOXX4YQ

*** Vinnaithandi Varuvaaya and Goa mania takes-off -
PlanetRadiocity
amil-music-review-vinnaithaandi-varuvaaya.htmusg=AFQjCNHAFEj7W1Ob2TBDnUaQWhAxyWMkQAVinnaithaandi
Varuvaaya: Vintage Rahman
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.planetradiocity.com/musicreporter/news.php?newscatid=1newsid=1873usg=AFQjCNGdXgXJQ6OAWuMV1biJxLd0xbFmDw

*** Govt may limit some pvt sector mining, Sesa Goa to be hit -
Moneycontrol.com
o-watch-Sesa-Goa-Wockhardt-Deepak-Nitrite-Adhunik-Metaliks/articleshow/5439244.cmsusg=AFQjCNGrC75f7ns6yuQf2jVnIWzcQpbe6wStocks
to watch: Sesa Goa, Wockhardt, Deepak Nitrite, Adhunik Metaliks
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/economy/govt-may-limit-some-pvt-sector-mining-sesa-goa-to-be-hit_435393.htmlusg=AFQjCNGD0_ZxiISLckEgqb7sgdZmC387Dg

*** CRCC 9-A Side Trophy: Navelim to cross swords with Goa
Maroons in semis - Mangalorean.com
ngalorean.comKuwait Jan 13: Navelim YC will face arch rivals
Goa Maroons in the semi finals of CRCC Trophy being played at
Sabah Hospital Grounds. ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=164504usg=AFQjCNHaOs_ocCnd7k76kdPBe8vQTNWKqQ

*** Goa police nab drug peddler; seize more gold than drugs -
Thaindian.com
aindian.comPanaji, Jan 13 (IANS) The Goa police Wednesday
claimed to have arrested an alleged drug peddler and recovered
drugs worth Rs.4 lakh but also got an ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/goa-police-nab-drug-peddler-seize-more-gold-than-drugs_100303425.htmlusg=AFQjCNEXdr_dgdpXNwmtSgJPBbZrhqczqg

*** I-League: Fatorda Stadium To Host I-League Games In Goa -
Goal.com
eague, ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/1064/i-league/2010/01/13/1741743/i-league-fatorda-stadium-to-host-i-league-games-in-goausg=AFQjCNFNB9q4Hr12ZcbIEYqxKtFkz_LSSA

*** South Goa e-governance project hits roadblock - Times of
India
overnance project of the South Goa district administration, the
third phase #148; connecting the ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/South-Goa-e-governance-project-hits-roadblock/articleshow/5439063.cmsusg=AFQjCNHMbJJYvC6Ssh1GIZy0SXn2wt9vpA

*** Goa yet to respond to New Delhi's security questionnaire -
Times of India
mes of IndiaPANAJI: The Goa government, which has warned of
spectacular acts of violence in the state, hasn't responded to
a questionnaire on the security scenario ...a class=
http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-yet-to-respond-to-New-Delhis-security-questionnaire-/articleshow/5439849.cmsusg=AFQjCNGvOuhy4XNrxtkEHFHIQEoEJZvPAw


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php

Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue --- what IQ these people have?

2010-01-13 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

I thought boot-licking (the Indian kind) was your speciality :-)).  Don't worry 
about my underwear - it is always clean, and I don't have to lick it - the 
clothes washer does a wonderful job. 

I always talk about my Goan-hood to whoever I want to, and I don't have to 
worry about my throat, as they know I am not an Indian (sorry, I know I said it 
in bad taste, but then you you asked for it). My home country is Goa, and no 
one can take that fact away from me.  That Goa is taken by India on a pretext 
of liberation is another issue. 


- Original Message 
 From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com
 To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
 Sent: Wed, 13 January, 2010 10:15:13 PM
 Subject: [Goanet] Citizenship issue --- what IQ these people have?
 
 
 PS: As to those shouting about underwears, lick them properly and clean them 
 and 
 then wear them over your head. After all, you are good at licking all kinds 
 of 
 things. Gabriel,
 hope you are alive in Australia. Talk about your Goan-hood in public and a 
 knife 
 may
 come at your throat. So, much for your home country.



  
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[Goanet] MONTH'S MIND: Octaviano (Octo) Sequeira

2010-01-13 Thread Goanet Obits


MONTH'S  MIND

Octaviano (Octo) Sequeira
Cansaulim, Goa
(Ex-Commercial Bank of Kuwait 
 National Bank of Kuwait)
Died: Dec 09, 2009


Photo:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1H3v5DfzBUl5uwXB_4xG4w?feat=directlink


There will be a Eucharistic Celebration for the soul of our beloved OCTO 
at the Holy Family Cathedral, Kuwait on Saturday, January 16th, 2010 at 
7:15 pm


Relatives and Friends kindly accept this as the only intimation.


SOURCE: Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter

[Goanet] Sardines, Aunt Veronica

2010-01-13 Thread Wendell Rodricks

Yesterday A. Veronica gave me a Sardine recipe which turned out super 
delicious and it was super easy


In a Pressure Cooker :
3 dozen (Two vaataas in Goa) sardines, beheaded ;o), gutted, scaled and 
washed

2 sliced med size onions
1 sliced tomato
4 sliced garlic
2 ginger sliced in half and crushed
1/2 teaspoon fenugreek seeds
1 sprig curry leaves
2 slit green chillies
juice extracted from soaking a lime size ball of tamarind in a katori of 
water or tamarind paste 1 tblsp

Salt to taste
1 tablespoon coconut oil (olive oil can do as well I imagine)
1 cup water


Pressure cook on medium heat. Cook for 30 to 40 mins after the first whistle
All this time say a short prayer for A. Veronica (vital ingredient)

When serving, remove delicately from the cooker
The sardines stay firm but the bones are soft and edible
Enjoy.the dish and the compliments!

Wendell

PS: A Portuguese recipe uses corriander seeds instead of fenugreek but I 
have not tried that

[Goanet] Only in America

2010-01-13 Thread Bernado Colaco

IF YOU CROSS INTO GOA BORDER YOU GET A RATION CARD AND ARE ALLOWED TO 'P' AND 
'SHITE' WHEREVER YOU WANT!
 
BC
 
 
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

[Goanet] Query ... about Goan authors

Dear all: To come out with a new edition of the Peter Nazareth-edited
anthology of Goan writing, I am looking for the dates of birth (and
death, where relevant) of the following writers, who have focussed on
Goa themes. If you could help me with any, I'd be grateful.

* Violet Dias Lannoy.
* WWS Bhasker
* Berta Menezes Braganca
* Antonio da Cruz
* Wilson Fernandes
* Philip Furtado
* Thomas Gay (translator of R V Pandit)
* Joseph K Henry
* Evagrio Jorge
* Lino Leitao
* Art-critic (Dyaneshwar) D.G. Nadkarni
* H.O. Nazareth
* Leslie de Noronha
* R.V. Pandit
* A.K. Priolkar
* Manuel C. Rodrigues
* Santan Rodrigues
* Raul de Gama Rose
* Ladis Da Silva
* Marion da Silva
* V. Sivaramakrishnan
* Adelaide de Souza
* Robert de Souza (author of 'Goa and the Continent of Circe)
* Cyrano Valles

Many thanks in advance! FN
-- 
Frederick Noronha
Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging
Landline :: +91-832-2409490 Mobile :: +91-9822122436
784 Saligao 403511 Goa India

Re: [Goanet] BrieFNcounters: Goan food, art, music, protest, youth culture, diaspora ... and fun

2010-01-13 Thread M.D'MELLO


Fred,

'BrieFNcounters'
Part of the heading is quite charming and innovative.
I wonder how u manage to be everywhere,(at the same time?) like
'sawvantaryami' omnipresent!!

Congrats

Maurice D.



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[Goanet] CRZ The Destroyer

2010-01-13 Thread Freddy Fernandes

CRZ The Destroyer

 

The lives of costal Goans will never be the same, our ancestral houses, were we
were born, brought up and lived, some extended by the innocence of heart to
accommodate the expanding families, houses and dream homes built by the hard
earned money by sweat and blood, hindered by the laws of the jungle that
benefited the privileged and transgressed the lowley, with nowhere else to go,
hoping against hope that they will be spared, even after all the promises it was
not to be so, as usual, victims of the broken promises, promises are meant to be
broken is the mantra followed by our political leaders.   

 

CRZ will be a very important quotient during the next election, it could well be
the death of Congress in Goa, the majority of the people, whose dwellings have
been demolished, have been the poor and the middle class. The curses of the
people, will befall on our politicians. The hard earned money invested in their
dwellings crushed by the heavy duty machinery, while the politicians who
promised to protect them, watched the squalor, enjoying themselves in their
havens built on swindled, tax payers money. Some were even seen having a good
time at a local cafe, planning to hijack the top chair in the assembly, while
the dwellings of the poor were pulled down into a heap of rubble. Does it look
like, these people were elected by the people, to be of the people, to protect
the people ?  The apathy of Goan politicians towards the masses has only
multiplied and has indeed crossed the point of no return.

 

Just before the LS elections Mrs. Sonia Gandhi had come to Goa promising to do
her best for the people affected by CRZ, is this the best she could do in her
power ? 

 

The environment minister Mr. Jairam Ramesh too promised to do the best in his
power, after all the visits to the different costal villages in Canacona and his
assurances to protect the structures, is this the best he could do, for the
people of Goa ? What about Digu and his stoogies who followed the environment
minister every where he went, while in Goa, what happened to their assurances  ?
Does the Congress have any credibility left to promise the Goan people anything
in future ? 

 

Congress is dead for sure and the spineless BJP is in no better position either,
because of sharing the bed with the Congress on the issues of CRZ and mining.
Selfish gutless politicians only interested in their own selfish interests. Both
Congress and the BJP are equally odious in comparison, if not one worse than the
other.

 

I sincerely hope that at least now the people of Goa will wakeup and realize
their folly of electing the same corrupt people, who are not at all interested
in the well being of Goa nor Goans. Did any of them give any statements, since
the demolitions started ? While our politicians are busy making money, our poor
people are being made homeless, adding to the woes of their already shattered
lives.

 

After all that has happened in the past few day and continues to happen, playing
the gamut of innocence, will only highlight the stupidity of our politicians
ambitions. Our elected politicians have done their best in challenging the
directives of the highest court in India and saved a five star hotel from
demolition, they have done their best, to save the illegal shanties of the
migrants all over Goa, how come they failed to save the humble dwellings of the
poor Goan people ? We do need answers ? Don't we ?

 

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Re: [Goanet] Citizenship issue...

2010-01-13 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

 2010/1/13 Samir Kelekar 
  Even a kid knows that citizenship is the only thing that decides political 
  rights in a country.
Not necessarily.  I voted in all UK elections and all Australian elections by 
virtue that I was a resident in those countries, even though at the time I was 
not a citizen of either of those countries.  


 From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com
 Wed, 13 January, 2010 11:47:39 PM
 
 I think every expat who is today lecturing and hectoring Goa and India
 (including, but not restricted to Mario Goveia, Rajan Parrikar, Jose
 Colaco, et al) have a huge debt of India and Goa. They gained from the
 Nehruvian-Kangres social infrastructure that made them into
 Toledians, IITians or dotors with skills good enough to take on the
 world. They got a highly subsidised education (in the 1970s, we
 believed it costed Rs 100,000 to build a single doctor) and then took
 their education and then sold it cheap to an affluent part of the
 world, which probably needs it the least.

Not necessarily.  How do you know that expats haven't already paid more than 
their debt to the country, directly or indirectly? Have you done an audit? Sold 
it cheap? In what way? Many of us had to start from scratch with no help from 
anyone to re-start living, buying strictly what was necessary and many times 
going without, knowing that there was light at the end of the tunnel.

 Timbucktoo. For me, someone deploying skills where it is most needed
 is more important than ethnic ties, accidents of birth, religion, or
 other such connects.

That's where the NRGs are - in some Timbuktoo or the other, deploying their 
skills where they are most needed and are appreciated. Please remember that in 
foreign, locals get the first pick, so to be gainfully employed in one's 
preferred line, one must be really, really good or have that skill in demand. 
Unfortunately, no such recognition was forthcoming in amchem Goem, which is 
why, the IIT-ian probably opted for Bangaluru instead of his freedom-fought 
Goa. 
 
 Some of our expats believe they are doing a big favour to Goa and
 India by sending back money to their family and relatives. This is
 almost made to seem as if they are offering alms to Goa. 

Ah poor you.  Looks like your grapes are sour.  In one paragraph you decry 
expats having drained India's resources via education, then in another, you 
criticize them for trying to repay their debts.  The NRG cannot win in any 
case - is that it? 
 
 I have never claimed to be deeply in love with Goa, or proud of my
 Goan identity. To me, that is all an accident of history and birth.

Rico! What are you saying? Be proud to be a Goan, man!

 Many of us don't have the oodles
 of money that expats have access to. But I don't think that makes us
 inferior or the efforts less worthy. In this context, asking anyone
 what-have-you-don-for-Goa questions doesn't make sense to me.

Nether have the expats - remember that most of them started from scratch, as 
the most they could take away with them until MMS came to the scene, was US500. 
That they managed to make it is due only to the hard work and 18-hour working 
days.  And they pay direct and indirect taxes as much as 50%.  Having oodles of 
money is neither here nor there, nor should it be a factor in determining one's 
worthiness. Similarly, what-you-have-done-for-Goa is only something only 
boasters would ask, and in this case, it wasn't an NRG who posed the question.  
So rest easy and don't develop a complex.

 May each of us find some way to do something of meaning to some cause
 we find worthy in life. And may we continue our debates in a way that
 brings out more light than heat. FN

A sobering thought, that. 

Gabriel.


  
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[Goanet] Remote control to FN etc

[Goanet] Remote control  to FN etc
 
What man FN?
Don’t you (and other top journalists) see it everyday from your
 famous ‘Café Prakash’?
 
No doubt, they do collect or clear our rubbish (they even pay for it )
 but that does not mean they should dirty our city gardens or 
places like Azad Maidan etc
 
For that matter, our household garbage is also collected 
by the migrants (thru CCP)
What if they sleep for couple of hours on our pavements, 
gardens, memorials etc?
They are the one who clear up our garbage, don’t they?
 
Each one of us can play his/her role in maintaining our city clean.
Each one can do it his or her way.
 
As for me, I do it my way and I am doing it for the last 
3 years (Dirty Panjim Pics, I mean).  I don’t even know 
if my work had any effects so far (except one mail
from Clinton, see link below) but it will not stop me from 
doing more. That’s me.
 
(Have about 600 pics on ‘ Dirty Panjim’ exclusive,  
if anybody wishes to Organize an exhibition, may please do so )
 
I would also like to request you all to have a look at 
CCP’s ‘mission or Vision Panaji’
See link below. And that will explain it all.
 
That’s all my lord! (mi-lord)
 
Your witnesses please!
 
Here is a selection of ‘Azad Maidan’  dirty Panjim pics

Azad sleeping zone etc
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/4169104749/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2371781875/
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/3986331437/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915706241/

 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916551438/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2756871986/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/547594123/
 
by the CCP notice etc (Azad Maidan Dumping Zone)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/4169104165/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/4048876646/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2915705297/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2221591228/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/2916550252/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2756037859/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2756037437/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2756871316/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2184583006/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2183797533/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3314661286/

Panjim city that-
Cares for its citizens?
Cares for it tourists?
Well managed clean, green and safe?
Kind and friendly?
 
You find out here ‘vision Panjim’ by CCP
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2228308875/sizes/l/
 
Where is Clinton Vaz? Are you still with CCP (as associate Officer)?
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-May/177367.html
 
Quote FN’s post
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2010-January/188531.html

Write to: commissio...@ccpgoa.com

 
NB. also grateful to Herald who sometime uses my above related pics in it's 
Monday's 'Civic Forum'
GT also used to do but it stopped now.

 
cc to CCp commissioner (don't even know if the id is alive)
BJP Parrikar
 



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[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (14Jan10)

2010-01-13 Thread alexyz fernandes

Good Future..Peace..Happiness..among your brothers..Luizinho...But you 
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[Goanet] chaos rules at Indian embassy Qatar

Firsthand account of my visit to Indian embassy in Qatar

My visit to the Indian embassy in Qatar revealed shocking details.
The first goof-ups I noticed as  I stepped in were regarding
spellings—compensation was changed to compansation and complaints  to
comlaints, how this missed the eye of the officials and the Indian
ambassador has baffled me and the score of the Indians who visit the
Embassy. Check the photos at the link
here---http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=172209id=544531336l=fd22d94b85
The embassy was shifted to the new premises last month.
If that was not enough, the language for communication was English,
but then Malayalam was for all official purposes the other language
used, and notices have been prominently pasted in the embassy premises
both in English and Malayalam, sadly not Hindi.
Hindi can be read by scores of Indians from the entire north belt and
also people from other parts of India and Pakistan. In recent times
with Hindi been taught in all schools in India it can be read by most
Indians. But, Malayalam is confined only within the Kerala community.
The prominent use of Malayalam people pointed out is due to the fact
that the Indian ambassador although hailing from North India is
married to a Mallu.
But, she had been maintaining her dignity of her high office and not
gracing new hotel inauguration functions, which her predecessor had
been doing on a regular basis.
Chaos ruled at the embassy despite the token system been followed,
with people crowding around the counter, with the security personnel
being passive spectators.
Rude, arrogant would be mild words to describe the attitude of the
staff at the embassy. It starts with the help desk, who dismissed any
queries for Indian visas by Nigerians, Pakistanis, Iranians and
Yemenis with disdain.
“No visas for Pakistan, Iran, Yemen and Nigerians,” he shouted at the
top of his voice as he turned back a Nigerian student who wanted a
one-year visa at the Osmania University in Hyderabad.
After going through the Nigerian papers for visa application, the help
desk official discovered that instead of clearing the first year at
the University, the student had contravened the provisions of the Visa
and instead enrolled in another institute.
“This cannot be allowed,” he told the student. “You can do that in
your country.”
Later talking to me, the help desk official confirmed that visa norms
for all nationals have been tightened.
When questioned, if the greater terror threat and the recent Headingly
fiasco, had made India tighten up the visa procedures, he answered in
the affirmative. Headingly, US national of Pakistan origin changed his
original Muslim name to Headingly to outfox the authorities. He
availed of a multiple entry Indian visa and was part of the cell which
plotted the 26/11 Mumbai attacks.
And, there is more bad news for Indians wishing to register themselves
with the Indian embassy in Qatar.
The embassy no longer accepts hand written or email requests for
registration Indian nationals in the database of the Indian embassy.
If one of my Goan friend involved with lot of social, cultural and
sports organizations in one of the GCC country wrote to me saying:  “A
simple email or fax to the embassy will do – just state the name,
passport number, the company/employer you are working for, Your
coordinates (telephone, mobile, fax, email), etc…..
 Another way the embassy records is when you have a passport
application (for renewal or fresh passport)
There is a column to state if you have registered with the embassy or
if you are a part of an association/
Organization known to the embassy.In some GCC countries  the Indian
mission registers organizations ( a few years ago it was one state,
one organization) But this did not work out well, and it has been
changed.”
The Indian help desk official, who reverted back to me, informed that
the practice has since been discontinued after the computerization of
records.
“There is no need to compulsorily register oneself with the Indian
embassy, whenever you come to the embassy for any work, your data will
be entered in the database,” he informed me.
With prime Minister Manmohan Singh asserting that NRI’s will be given
the right to vote, the first step will be register the new NRI voters
and also the old NRI voters who have been wiped off from the electoral
rolls.
Not only have some of the people who have spent some 27 years in the
Gulf been wiped out from the electoral rolls but on by their own
account lost touch with Goa. Very sad for this people, they are not
keeping themselves tuned with the times, in this current internet and
television age when you know every hour what is happening in your back
yard, distance and years should not be an excuse to say. “We do not
know what is happening in Goa. People back home in Goa are the best
judges.”
It will be a huge task to add the new NRI voters and if that task is
entrusted with the Indian missions then it will be overburdening the
staff.

[Goanet] Who is a Goan?

2010-01-13 Thread Jagdish Gangolly

There is a relatively simple solution to the so called immigrants
problem. Make Konkani a required language in schools and for
all civil service jobs. Use konkani in all government announcements,
street signs and instructions. Print all government forms only in
Konkani, but make available English or other language versions at
a cost to reflect translation and the cost imposed by excessive
immigration. Give plaintiffs the right to legal proceedings only
in Konkani, and the students to be examined only in Konkani
just as with the French in Quebec (Canada). And use konkani in
all legal affairs in exactly the same  way as in other states.

I doubt this will have adverse impact because there are plenty of
Konkani speaking people who had to leave Goa for various reasons
but still harbour a sense of belonging to Goa.

The situation is similar to that in the US where the flood of illegal
immigration,
especially from Mexico is imposing inordinate costs on the citizens and
changing the character (and language) of the country. In the United States
there are
colourful monikers for immigrants: wetbacks and carpetbaggers come to mind.
These may not be politically correct, but factually indisputable.


Jagdish Gangolly

Re: [Goanet] fool's paradise

2010-01-13 Thread J. Colaco jc

 Dear Fr. Ivo da C.Souza,

The best of wishes for 2010 to you and yours.

I found your first post (directed at me) for 2010 very intriguing, and
I thought that I'd respond to it. There are some bits with which I
agree with you, some with which I have some queries, and I do have a
question at the end - which might benefit from the proclaimed
expertise.

ICS[1] : Catholic priests and sisters may know much more than you
about love, marriage and family problems...

jc 1: I AGREE with you entirely, but only because, just about everyone
I know - knows much more than I do about everything i.e. including
love, marriage and family problems...
==

ICS[2] : marriage courses are given by priests throughout the country,
as well as abroad. Young people are having excellent counsellors among
Catholic priests and sisters.

jc 2: I AGREE with you entirely. What I am not sure is the attendance.
Is the attendance of these courses voluntary or is it mandatory for
couples to attend these course IF they wish to get married in the
church? Voluntary attendance would have given a possible clue as to
how excellent these courses were/are. Would you disagree?
==

ICS[3] : Let the married person sacrifice his girl-friend...

jc3: I do have a problem with that answer. But first, please allow me
to restate my point (to which you made the above response) i.e.  I
definitely would NOT know about a Married person having a
girlfriend

I personally do not believe that women are pieces of furniture which
can be discarded at will, or mere pieces of meat which can be
'sacrificed'.  What if the woman was led to believe that the 'married
man' was a bachelor ... Just sacrifice her?

My advice would have been simple, albeit naive: As per Konfewcius:
Married man have only One girl-friend. Her name is wife..
==


Now a problem for which I will pick your counseling brains:


Maggie (22) is married to  John(23), a traveling salesman. They have 1
child. One day, the doctor telephones John and tells him that he has
HIV and TB. Maggie overhears this conversation via the telephone
extension.

Later that night, John goes to the taverna to drown his concerns
and returns feeling very jolly. He takes Maggie into confidence
and tells her that he would like to have another child.

Maggie telephones Fr Ivo and asks:

a: Should I use the condom?
b: Should I take the chance without the condom?
c: Should I just drink carrot juice every day and hope that nothing
bad happens to me?

You know Father, if I do not give in to his demands, John will throw
me out of the house - He has become very hard-headed over the past 4
months. If he throws me out, what will I do for food and shelter for
me and my child? I have no job nothing!

OK ...one problem is enough for today

sincerely

jc

[Goanet] G.O.A. London

2010-01-13 Thread Peter Dias

Greetings and Happy New Year from sunny Majorda.

Congratulations on the successful New Year's dance, which had a record
number attending to show their support to the President. The Finance
Director will state that the event was run at a loss. The problem is that
the President does not sing from the same Hymn sheet as the F.D.

The President resigned in two open notifications to the Members, there was
also on agenda an item for the election of President. By what authority does
the President stay on? Did he stand for reelection?

Even Roberto Mugabe stands for reelections. No point having all youngsters
supporting when the City Fathers are all holidaying in Goa and are not
interested in offering their input. The Board needs to check out the
validity of the President, clearly the Legal and Admin Director knows little
if anything about the Constitution or the Companies Act.

regards,

Dias.

[Goanet] Communidade Land Illegalities In Canacona Under Scanner

2010-01-13 Thread Freddy Fernandes

Communidade Land Illegalities In Canacona Under Scanner

 

At last it is good to see authorities taking interest in the communidade land at
Canacona, how long the interest will last or when all the euphoria will suddenly
vanished in to a poof! Only time will tell, I would most certainly like to be
optimistic, but history forces pessimism.

 

The news that the newly elected Attorney of Canacona Communidade and former
chairperson of Mormugao municipality, Mr Kritesh Gaonkar, has immediately
started ascertaining facts about encroachments on communidade land around
Canacona, was welcome, it's indeed a step in the right direction, it should not
stop there, action should be taken against people who have sold communidade land
for personal profit by distorting facts and manipulating records and documents.

 

From what I have heard there is very little communidade land left in Canacona,
as most of the so called protectors of communidade land, the different
committees incharge of this land, have either made it their own or sold it by
fraud to outsiders, one of them being the sale of the Cabo-de-Rama plateau. In
Khola, the communidade committee made up of the Saraswat community have done the
same. The records in the communidade office have disappeared, some have been
distorted as per convenience. In Khola communidade land ceases to exist any more
!

 

Luckily the copy of an old Portuguese gazette came good in the Cabo-de-Rama
plateau case, where in it was clearly mentioned, the details with the area and
boundaries as communidade land and one person by the name of Floriano Fernandes
from Cabo-de-Rama has been fighting the land sharks and the Saraswat community
involved in this fraud, although the court order says that the sale deed of the
Cabo-de-Rama plateau is null n void, and the records in the survey department to
be reverted back to communidade land, the Saraswat community involved in this
scam headed by their well known Lawyer cum real estate agent has appealed to the
higher court and the saga continues.

 

The poor people who have been tilling communidade land and living on it for
decades have not been compensated in any way yet, as per the law, but on the
contrary, it has been sold and that too, to people from outside the village or
other states, which is against the communidade norms.

 

I do hope the new Attorney of Canacona communidade will do justice to his
position and title and take the required appropriate actions to restore justice
the poor who tilled and lived on that land for decades and punish the guilty.
That would indeed change pessimism into optimism 

 

Freddy Agnelo Fernandes


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Re: [Goanet] Poor American

2010-01-13 Thread Mervyn Lobo

Tony de Sa wrote:
 There is a tendency among some Goans to look at America with rose tinted
 glasses. This little joke among one of the forwards I received will put
 things in the proper prespective.
 Poor Americans
 John Smith started the day early.
 having set his alarm clock
 (MADE IN JAPAN ) for 6 am.
-snip-
 and turned on his TV
 (MADE IN INDONESIA),
 and then wondered why he can't find a good paying job in AMERICA


 


Tony,
You forwarded the above as a joke but this is no laughing matter.


Thanks to the policies of George Bush (43) and co, for the past eight years, 
the US 
has been importing more than it exports. It now has no money to pay for its 
imports
and is surviving only by printing more. The cost of this madness is that the US
dollar has lost about 18% of its value during this period.


Secondly, people in the US are buying foreign goods because the few 
manufacturers 
that are left are producing goods that US residents do not want. For example, US
residents prefer to buy foreign cars rather than US ones as:
1) Foreign cars are more dependable
and
2) They have better fuel economy than US made ones.


Finally, the current US Govt, just like the USSR Govt of old, can be convinced 
that a
company is too important to fail. The Govt then pays the workers in these failed
companies to produce goods/services that no one wants to buy.



Mervyn1144Lobo


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[Goanet] Proud Goan Muslim

2010-01-13 Thread soter

Dear Bosco,
Sending this post from Nazir Aga to goanet. This letter to editor  is published 
in Herald (14/01/2010)

From: nazir...@hotmail.com

Subject: Proud Goan Muslim
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:40:31 +0400

The attempts by certain sections to unjustly accuse Soter D'Suza of propagating 
communal hatred is downright malicious and disgusting to say the least. The 
issue of in migration is definitely a matter of concern to every right thinking 
Goan irrespective of caste, creed and religion. Protecting goa's social, 
economic, and cultural interests is not unconstitutional. If the rest of the 
states are hell bent on implementing their culture, language and protecting 
their economic interests what is wrong if goans do the same? If not let all 
state boundaries be dissolved and let only one language and culture prevail. 
Colonisation of any state by migrants is definitely not a constitutional right. 
Why should Goa which has a negative birth rate be penalised for the failure of 
other state governments which have not been able to provide for the social and 
economic needs of their people. These elements will do well if they answer to 
the points raised by Soter D'Souza.

Yours truly

Nazir Aga

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